Autopsy Port defeated by the Dons

[DaTBird187]

Ridiculous post

Like most of this thread.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

StatsPro on the AFL website, for Telstra mobile customers only.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro/faqs

Can you put the stats up for the previous games in the stats thread?

 

[Us against the rest]

Some snippets from Ken's presser.

We are still work in progress.
Credit to them.
We couldn't handle their pressure.
We are inconsistent.
We halved Essendons start from last year 6 goals to 3.
We haven't got a ruck man ready to play. (Frampton year 4 on our list)
A bit of tightness (Rockliff)
Out of form but he will be okay. (Rockliff)

mmmmmmmm

 

[Us against the rest]

Didn't we used to be the fast ball mover team?

Wasn't that long ago that Ken said publicly, if you want to beat us you better be prepared to run hard all day.

 

[JUSTWORK]

What bothers me the most about Port Adelaide is the supporters on this forum. It's a game sweethearts, you can't dominate 100% of the time let alone win 100% of the time. If you are not prepared to lose in a 2 horse race than there's a 50% chance your farkced. Yes it hurts, but suck it up. I find it hilarious and borderline ironic we actually have the audacity to complain about the mental capicity of our players when all around here we crumble under pressure. Finger pointers? Good on ya. Look around and read the posts.

THEY came out and smashed us in the first and first 10 minutes of the second, we weren't switched on. But, BUT, we contested till the end. As Malibu said, scoreboard pressure killed it in the end, we never had enough and they had to much too early. We weren't the best team today, but **** we gave them a push, just wasn't enough in the end. On to next week.

The probable isn’t loosing, it how we loses and who we lost to. Last week Essendon were made to look secon rate by a very poor bulldogs team. Yesterday Essendon made us look like pretenders “white collar midfield” was an article by the herald sun.

There is no shame in loosing a close game to another premiership counter, yesterday was t that.

Very very poor loss, the only positive I can take is we were a lot closer then we deserved to be and I believe with better coaching could have snatched the game in the second half.

 

[Harlott]

His average skills aren’t momentum killer though? It’s just that he isn’t lacing our passing while wrestling 8 guys in a pack. His limitations are entirely within the role he is doing. If he was spraying kicks and dropping marks on the half forward flank I would be more worried.

Yesterday he could have started some momentum in the final qtr. He missed and he misses too often. Like most of the team.

 

[Brian McGee]

The probable isn’t loosing, it how we loses and who we lost to. Last week Essendon were made to look secon rate by a very poor bulldogs team. Yesterday Essendon made us look like pretenders “white collar midfield” was an article by the herald sun.

There is no shame in loosing a close game to another premiership counter, yesterday was t that.

Very very poor loss, the only positive I can take is we were a lot closer then we deserved to be and I believe with better coaching could have snatched the game in the second half.

Is this the very poor bulldogs team that came very close to an upset victory over the swans this week? Teams have off games. This wasn’t as poor a loss as people are making it out to be.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I think what stings the most about this loss is the way it happened. Everybody knew that Essendon would come out breathing fire and that we had to be prepared to match that intensity because they couldn't keep it going all game. But the important thing was to at least half the first quarter with them, keep the crowd out of the game and put a few mental questions to Essendon's mindset. Everyone saw it coming ...

Instead we went 3 goals down inside 10 minutes and made a mess of every opportunity to close the gap to within a kick.

Second quarter much of the same, we had plenty of opportunities to close the margin or even take the lead but missed set shots. We let them get out to too big a lead in the third quarter and kept taking careful aim at our toes and shooting them off to make any scoreboard impact. I watched the last quarter again last night and we created plenty of clear scoring chances but stuffed too many of them and were usually punished on the rebound.

In terms of clearances, stoppages, contested possession etc we weren't far off the mark. Not at our best but not outclassed. But the awful mistakes in front of goals and simple turnovers burned us badly. And in games like that - as a few commented during the game - the bounce of the ball seemed to go their way at critical moments.

It was a bastard of a game but I'm not throwing the toys out of the cot just yet. I think we will bounce back against Geelong and win.

 

[chiwigi]

His average skills aren’t momentum killer though? It’s just that he isn’t lacing our passing while wrestling 8 guys in a pack. His limitations are entirely within the role he is doing. If he was spraying kicks and dropping marks on the half forward flank I would be more worried.

Erm, he was.

 

[JUSTWORK]

I think what stings the most about this loss is the way it happened. Everybody knew that Essendon would come out breathing fire and that we had to be prepared to match that intensity because they couldn't keep it going all game. But the important thing was to at least half the first quarter with them, keep the crowd out of the game and put a few mental questions to Essendon's mindset. Everyone saw it coming ...

Instead we went 3 goals down inside 10 minutes and made a mess of every opportunity to close the gap to within a kick.

Second quarter much of the same, we had plenty of opportunities to close the margin or even take the lead but missed set shots. We let them get out to too big a lead in the third quarter and kept taking careful aim at our toes and shooting them off to make any scoreboard impact. I watched the last quarter again last night and we created plenty of clear scoring chances but stuffed too many of them and were usually punished on the rebound.

In terms of clearances, stoppages, contested possession etc we weren't far off the mark. Not at our best but not outclassed. But the awful mistakes in front of goals and simple turnovers burned us badly. And in games like that - as a few commented during the game - the bounce of the ball seemed to go their way at critical moments.

It was a bastard of a game but I'm not throwing the toys out of the cot just yet. I think we will bounce back against Geelong and win.

Need to.. this is a must win game. Looking like it’ll be a close year, make up for yesterday’s non effort (and average game against Brisbane) and shake last years flat track bullies tag.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I love charlie but why cant he friggin kick it over the man on the mark when shooting for goal? Why cant Ollie convert easy shots for goal. Ditto robbie, chad and westhoff. I have zero confidence when we have simple shots. Surely someone can give the players a simple routine so they dont habitually choke.

I think we lost the game in the first five minutes. Poor intensity, scorebosrd pressure and then choked into fumletown.

 

[Coobk001]

We can't win finals without Ryder. We didn't win one with him but at least we got close.

We aren't going to have someone ready if he breaks down again late in the season because if our rucks aren't ready now they won't be ready in round 18 or later.

No rucks isn't the fundamental problem, but it accentuates things, as we arent good enough to win our share of stoppages to losing rucks. It unbalance the rest of the team moving blokes away from their best position.

We dont have the skills under pressure to win a flag.

We dont have the smarts to win one. Robbie handballing the ball away when 30m from goal on a set shot is just brain dead stuff.Polec calling for the ball isn't any better. It means all our goal kicking stuff the club has worked on isn't getting thru to the players.

We could have won that game. We didn't deserve to but Essendon left the door open. We weren't good enough to barge through the door. Why?? We haven't fixed up the fundamental issues we had last year. Great sides find a way to win when down even with injured players and not playing their best footy. We aren't great. We are a mid pack team.

We are Ken's team of hard workers not great workers. If all 22 don't work hard we are just an average side.

Accurate on all counts.

How many years have we watched our boys play and thought, well that was ok, if only we were a bit cleaner. At some point we have to accept the difference between us and being really good is that our players just do not have the ability to be clean, no-fumble players, who execute with precision under pressure. We've been failing this test for too long to think it'll go away.

I thought we were a chance at top 4, and I thought we were a chance at a flag, but we just aren't. We just can't execute under pressure, heck we can't execute when we're under no pressure. We're absolutely just another above average team in the top 8 shuffle

And the smarts thing is one of my big frustrations, players like Luke Hodge & Shaun Burgoyne win you premierships because they just execute the right things at the right times. They make the smart decisions. We really have no one like that. There were so many dumb moments on the weekend, like that Gray handball, like Amon time and time again selling team mates into trouble with poor handballs, like Wingard taking advantage, like McKenzie getting turned inside out twice in a quarter, etc. Westy is up there with our most intelligent, but he still chokes regularly in front of goal. That footy IQ is something that is glaringly deficient within our team.

I mean how many times did we see a player take a mark, go back to take his kick and kick to a spot where there wasn't even a Port player, or alternatively to a spot where the Port players were outnumbered!! I mean FFS, it is so easy when you have the ball from a mark to count the numbers of players in the area you're aiming your kick, and it is so easy to at least put it to the advantage of one of our boys, but instead we blow our whole possession style rebound with horrendous decision making errors, they are even skill based flaws, they're decision based.

 

[manureid]

Ollie Wines:

What have we got out there? This group has won absolutely nothing. In my opinion both supporters and the club have been drinking our own bath water a bit too much for mine and it's time to look at the facts rather than that word 'potential'. Until we win a premiership and prove that we can front up week-in week-out there's no room for this kind of complacency we seem to have and all we need to do is simply turn up. I'm sorry, but these blokes just haven't proven they're actually that good. Time to put up or shut up.

Not sure about how many supporters have been drinking the bathwater. Reckon you will find quite a few on here that dont trust this playing group and coaching staff until proven otherwise and a lot who predicted what happened yesterday. We are what we have been with some slight improvements here and there since 2015. Totally untrustworthy when it counts and liable to making the same mistakes over and over.

 

[edgie]

I’m not knocking him for getting goals from ‘a nice pass when he was 20 metres in the clear’. I desperately want to see our forwards get more easy goals. It feels like for two years we’ve seen our opponents kick goals from easy lead-mark-kick opportunities while we always seem to be reliant on Wingard, Gray or Boak (and now Motlop) pulling something out of their arse or Dixon taking a contested mark in a pack of 5 players. If Watts is clever enough to snag a few easy ones, that’s something to be lauded, not belittled.

Jack Riewoldt has two colemans from knowing how to find easy goals.

He's no spud but yeah, junktime Jack is sometimes very accurate, and seriously, I'd love ANYBODY at Port to be able to do the same and find two or three easy ones every game. Don't care if we are ten goals up or ten goals down.

If Watts found three easy goals yesty, that's three more goals than we otherwise would have scored, BECAUSE. WE. JUST CANT.

 

[Magus]

That moment when Robbie passed it off to Polec, I really question whether he'd get grilled for making such a poor decision and whether Ken would even care.

Sometimes I think he puts too much faith in people that have enough runs on the board and he thinks theyre wise enough to coach themselves.

Robbie should be told to take the simple set shot and lead by example.

Every player on the list should be told that if you're within range, you take the damn shot.

 

[raptalia]

Maybe Frampton just isn't ready physically yet. He didn't have much of a pre season? Barely saw him in the pre season photo threads and from memory he didn't play in any of the Magpies trial games. One of the coaches said last week that he's about a month away from being ready.

In this day and age you expect your ruckman to be able to ruck close to the whole game with only minimal rest. I doubt Frampton at this point in time is capable of running out much more than 60% of the game.

Then it gets back to poor list management doesn't it?

 

[Coobk001]

I think what stings the most about this loss is the way it happened. Everybody knew that Essendon would come out breathing fire and that we had to be prepared to match that intensity because they couldn't keep it going all game. But the important thing was to at least half the first quarter with them, keep the crowd out of the game and put a few mental questions to Essendon's mindset. Everyone saw it coming ...

Instead we went 3 goals down inside 10 minutes and made a mess of every opportunity to close the gap to within a kick.

Second quarter much of the same, we had plenty of opportunities to close the margin or even take the lead but missed set shots. We let them get out to too big a lead in the third quarter and kept taking careful aim at our toes and shooting them off to make any scoreboard impact. I watched the last quarter again last night and we created plenty of clear scoring chances but stuffed too many of them and were usually punished on the rebound.

In terms of clearances, stoppages, contested possession etc we weren't far off the mark. Not at our best but not outclassed. But the awful mistakes in front of goals and simple turnovers burned us badly. And in games like that - as a few commented during the game - the bounce of the ball seemed to go their way at critical moments.

It was a bastard of a game but I'm not throwing the toys out of the cot just yet. I think we will bounce back against Geelong and win.

Going into the game we thought, oh maybe last year was an abberation, maybe last week and the Sydney 1st half were abberations, and maybe we'll find we adjusted our gameplan and win easy...... Within 10 minutes of the game we all knew it was effectively over as a contest and that we truly, clearly hadn't improved. That for me is the killer. It was history repeating.


Absolutely we had more than enough chances to take that game, but whenever we got close, or whenever the intensity lifted we wilted.

If Watts doesn't drop a simple chest mark in the middle of the ground that becomes a 2 goal turnaround, if Dixon doesn't drop an absolute sitter in the goal square, if we don't blow a crazy number of easy clearances with errant or stupid handpasses, if our players could've executed some simple set shots inside F50, etc.... It goes on and on, so many basic mistakes, and yes we could've won if we didn't do these things, and it's frustrating because we know they should be better, but something seems to be holding this group back from reaching their true potential. At what stage do we just say 4-5 years of these same sorts of errors since our peak in 2014, are just highlighting our true ability?

 

[ozph1870]

Some snippets from Ken's presser.

We are still work in progress.
Credit to them.
We couldn't handle their pressure.
We are inconsistent.
We halved Essendons start from last year 6 goals to 3.
We haven't got a ruck man ready to play. (Frampton year 4 on our list)
A bit of tightness (Rockliff)
Out of form but he will be okay. (rockliff)

mmmmmmmm

We are a work in progress.. no, we are a chance for the flag now... this bs contract ken has makes him complacent. He should be right under pressure to deliver this year, instead he is sitting back nice and cosy with so called time on his side. This should be the last year of his contract with talks put on hold until the end of the year. he should have a fiece desire to succeed now, not make bs statements about being a work in progress..

 

[rubberman]

Sometimes, the most obvious answer is the best.

 

[raptalia]

Why does Dougal Howard get in front position to take a chest mark and finish up punching the ball with both fists? Is that inexperience or a lack confidence in his own ability?

 

[JUSTWORK]

Why does Dougal Howard get in front position to take a chest mark and finish up punching the ball with both fists? Is that inexperience or a lack confidence in his own ability?

Needs to learn when to mark and have the confidence to do so,probably needs the coaches to back him in do doing it more, his spoiling is brilliant, but intercept marks across half back are incredibly valuable

 

[Macca19]

Then it gets back to poor list management doesn't it?

No it doesnt. People misconstrue Kens comment as meaning Frampton isnt ready to play at any stage this year.

He means he is not ready to play this week. Framptons rucking what...35% of sanfl games at the moment and people expect him to come in and ruck 100% of an AFL game?

 

[Magus]

No it doesnt. People misconstrue Kens comment as meaning Frampton isnt ready to play at any stage this year.

He means he is not ready to play this week. Framptons rucking what...35% of sanfl games at the moment and people expect him to come in and ruck 100% of an AFL game?

Who said 100%? We're currently dividing it up between Dixon, Howard and Westhoff. I wouldn't expect Frampton to carry that load himself.

 

[Brian McGee]

No it doesnt. People misconstrue Kens comment as meaning Frampton isnt ready to play at any stage this year.

He means he is not ready to play this week. Framptons rucking what...35% of sanfl games at the moment and people expect him to come in and ruck 100% of an AFL game?

This is my take on it too. People suggesting he should be off the list because he isn’t ready in his 4th year are being a bit harsh.

 

[1954]

Accurate on all counts.

How many years have we watched our boys play and thought, well that was ok, if only we were a bit cleaner. At some point we have to accept the difference between us and being really good is that our players just do not have the ability to be clean, no-fumble players, who execute with precision under pressure. We've been failing this test for too long to think it'll go away.

I thought we were a chance at top 4, and I thought we were a chance at a flag, but we just aren't. We just can't execute under pressure, heck we can't execute when we're under no pressure.

And the smarts thing is one of my big frustrations, players like Luke Hodge & Shaun Burgoyne win you premierships because they just execute the right things at the right times. They make the smart decisions. We really have no one like that. There were so many dumb moments on the weekend, like that Gray handball, like Amon time and time again selling team mates into trouble with poor handballs, like Wingard taking advantage, like McKenzie getting turned inside out twice in a quarter, etc. Westy is up there with our most intelligent, but he still chokes regularly in front of goal. That footy IQ is something that is glaringly deficient within our team.

I mean how many times did we see a player take a mark, go back to take his kick and kick to a spot where there wasn't even a Port player, or alternatively to a spot where the Port players were outnumbered!! I mean FFS, it is so easy when you have the ball from a mark to count the numbers of players in the area you're aiming your kick, and it is so easy to at least put it to the advantage of one of our boys, but instead we blow our whole possession style rebound with horrendous decision making errors, they are even skill based flaws, they're decision based.

Good terminology `footy IQ ' but unfortunately it appears it's not just the players who lack that particular commodity.