Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 12

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theDuckFarmer

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lol - no pressure. Another one in the long line of Petrenkos, Gores, Sigginses etc. that have been dubbed by the Advertiser as the second coming of <insert generational player here>. You could probably name a whole 22-man team of them now and still have some that were unlucky to be left out.
 

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FMD the AFL media MASSIVELY overrates Esava Ratugolea for a young ruckman with less than 20 games. Just because he's a springy ruckman. Damien Barrett just labelled him a vital part of Geelong's premiership plans and commentators absolutely froth over him. If Nic Nat had never played, Esava would not get as much praise.
 

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Rucci more critical of Pyke than Hinkley. Figure that out.


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I reckon Hinkley seems like he has all the attributes to be a fantastic coach, passion, intelligence, empathy, charisma and a ruthless edge. The issue is just that it hasn't all come together and might never all come together.

Don Pyke just oozes "meh" to me.

I can honestly understand why anyone who has actually met Ken would love him (not that I have), but at the same time if this season is a failure the dream is over and he has to go. I've never really understood the prevailing view around here that he is a s**t coach, but I might just have too much empathy for him or something.

I dunno its always confused me, I mean we haven't been the best team under him, is that all people are going off? Or is it something in his personality that I'm just not seeing? Is it that people actually thought Butcher was a decent footballer? Is it that people hate the forward pressure gameplan THAT much that they can't see why he favours guys like Neade/Sam Gray?

I mean I can definitely see the mistakes and the faults, but for whatever reason they don't bother me NEARLY as much as they do a lot of people. I also don't tend to pin the success of the team purely on the head coach but rather the org as a whole.

That said I do absolutely despise Koch, probably because he is so bourgeoisie and so arrogant.
 

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Betts will easily kick 4 or 5 against the Suns. The issue is when they come up against a team that cuts off the supply.
10 of his 24 goals this year have come in the final quarter with the Crows either winning or losing by a significant margin.

He’s no longer much of a factor in terms of being able to impact a game with the result in the balance, regardless of opposition.
 

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Rucci more critical of Pyke than Hinkley. Figure that out.
Port’s just a widdle club on the bones of its backside and Hinkley worked miracles dragging a properly-funded football department and list to the giddy heights of mediocrity.

The Crows are a latent juggernaut who should be contending every single year even though half their list at any one time wouldn’t look out of place at the Suns, etc.
 

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I reckon Hinkley seems like he has all the attributes to be a fantastic coach, passion, intelligence, empathy, charisma and a ruthless edge. The issue is just that it hasn't all come together and might never all come together.

Don Pyke just oozes "meh" to me.

I can honestly understand why anyone who has actually met Ken would love him (not that I have), but at the same time if this season is a failure the dream is over and he has to go. I've never really understood the prevailing view around here that he is a s**t coach, but I might just have too much empathy for him or something.

I dunno its always confused me, I mean we haven't been the best team under him, is that all people are going off? Or is it something in his personality that I'm just not seeing? Is it that people actually thought Butcher was a decent footballer? Is it that people hate the forward pressure gameplan THAT much that they can't see why he favours guys like Neade/Sam Gray?

I mean I can definitely see the mistakes and the faults, but for whatever reason they don't bother me NEARLY as much as they do a lot of people. I also don't tend to pin the success of the team purely on the head coach but rather the org as a whole.

That said I do absolutely despise Koch, probably because he is so bourgeoisie and so arrogant.
Well, I'm sure many Collingwood fans feel the same way about Eddie, but the club president never stopped a team from winning a premiership, so I wouldn't worry too much about Koch.

And I definitely think Ken is better than Pyke. Pyke might have a good practical understanding of the game, but he certainly does not have the passion and connection with his group as a good coach should have.
 

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10 of his 24 goals this year have come in the final quarter with the Crows either winning or losing by a significant margin.

He’s no longer much of a factor in terms of being able to impact a game with the result in the balance, regardless of opposition.
He just can’t find space anymore like he once did.

Still has insane skills, and does command respect but his problem is that the opposition always give him that respect since Adelaide have zero talented forwards outside of him haha
 

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He just can’t find space anymore like he once did.

Still has insane skills, and does command respect but his problem is that the opposition always give him that respect since Adelaide have zero talented forwards outside of him haha
Just quietly I'd suggest a loss of passion could have a fair bit to do with it.
 

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He just can’t find space anymore like he once did.

Still has insane skills, and does command respect but his problem is that the opposition always give him that respect since Adelaide have zero talented forwards outside of him haha
But haven’t you heard? They apparently have Eddie Mk II playing this weekend, they will be unstoppable.
 

RussellEbertHandball

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FMD the AFL media MASSIVELY overrates Esava Ratugolea for a young ruckman with less than 20 games. Just because he's a springy ruckman. Damien Barrett just labelled him a vital part of Geelong's premiership plans and commentators absolutely froth over him. If Nic Nat had never played, Esava would not get as much praise.
Damien Barrett is someone who is always looking at everything being so serious, or so important or so dangerous.

But he is correct that Ratugolea makes Geelong a better side. The oppo has to stop 2 Gorilla forwards not one when he plays. Now his output isn't anything like Hawkins, but it means its harder to have 2 big defenders try and nullify Hawkins, jumping into him and defending against him, when Ratugolea is playing. He has missed the last 3 games and they have lost 2 of them and both times in their losses, Hawkins output has been below his season averages.

As the footy cliche goes, Ratugolea doesn't have to be a star player - he just has to play his role well.
 
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