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I don't really care about ticket allocation or which venue fits more supporters or makes more money or anything like that. And I'm not from SA and have no ingrained 'kick a Vic' mentality. I just want something resembling a fair and equitable competition. Home town advantage is well established as being an advantage in all sports world wide. The last three grand finals have seen Melbourne based teams play grand finals in Melbourne against higher qualified teams from Sydney, Perth and Sydney again.

Exhibit A is 2015. West Coast (2nd) beat Hawthorn (3rd) in the qualifying final in Perth by 6 goals. Three weeks later, the same two teams play the grand final at the MCG and Hawthorn win by 8 goals. That is basically outrageous.
Yeh sorry re the kick a vic thing. I just find it pointless it's from a by gone era and has no relevance now.

You don't care about ticket allocation to the two competing clubs fans? But you're complaining about Melbourne teams having a home town advantage?
Equal ticket allocation means the break up of attendees is as equal as possible which would negate the home town advantage.

I think people just need to accept that the MCG is the best place for the grand final every year.
It is in a way sort of like Wembley which hoss the FA cup final and others.
It's s also currently the home ground of Tottenham.

We have a home town advantage here but we've blown that when we play like shit.
And that's what it comes down to. whose playing better football.

Both Sydney and the Bulldogs had played twice at the G this year in the regular season. They both had the same exposure to the MCG.
Bulldogs ended their season travelling to Perth and followed by week one in Perth.
Sydney finished in Sydney and played week one and two of finals in Sydney. They were the more rested team.
Sydney were an experienced finals team the Bulldogs aren't. Sydney's been in 3 of the last five grand finals.
Bulldogs played better on the day and won.
 

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Perhaps we need to be coached differently:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...kick-differential-in-afl-20161002-grtfq5.html
The Bulldogs were awarded 99 more free kicks than they conceded over the course of the season, shading North Melbourne (+71) and Collingwood (+39).
Most teams gave away more free kicks than they earned, with Port Adelaide (-59), Greater Western Sydney (-54) and Geelong (-41) owning the worst differentials.
 

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Everyone gets it wrong now and again but at least Robbo seems like the type who'll own up to his mistake. If that was Damian Barrett he would've deleted that tweet and blocked anybody who called him out on it by now.
 
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Everyone gets it wrong now and again but at least Robbo seems like the type who'll own up to his mistake. If that was Damian Barrett he would've deleted that tweet and blocked anybody who called him out on it by now.
but lets be fair as well, i reckon a lot of us would have said that!
 

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Watched the gf again today. Good game but there was always a sense that the swans were slow from the start but their physical precense seemed like it could work the dogs into the ground. Bulldogs didn't give them any space or time once the physicallity was nullified.

The other thing i noticed was the umpiring was incredibly bias towards the dogs. Noticed the same in most of the hawks gf wins, particularly the Swans in 2014. The umpires just seemed to give the dogs a little bit more leeway in terms of hardness, allowed them to be more physical and called the swans a few times that was questionable. The swans big strength was nullifed in part by the umpires i reckon.The umpires did this for hawthorn for years, it brings doubt into the opposition.

There were about 4 times they allowed the bulldogs to slide into the swans legs. Once they actually called it 'high' on the dogs after the dogs player slid into the ball.

There was also 2 really bad decisions in the 3rd where they penalised Rampe for holding the ball and then allowed a dogs player (smith i think) to duck and recieve a free which resulted in a goal. McViegh weighed in at this stage and questioned the umps.

By the last the swans were ******, their physicality was taken out of the game and the dogs smashed them with pace.

If it were Port in the swans place, i would have been disappointed but not surprised. Sometimes it is disappointing the afl continues to grow and go from strength to strength when clearly it is a poorly officiated and run competition.
 

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The other thing i noticed was the umpiring was incredibly bias towards the dogs. Noticed the same in most of the hawks gf wins, particularly the Swans in 2014. The umpires just seemed to give the dogs a little bit more leeway in terms of hardness, allowed them to be more physical and called the swans a few times that was questionable. The swans big strength was nullifed in part by the umpires i reckon.The umpires did this for hawthorn for years, it brings doubt into the opposition.
It was reminiscent of our last two games against Carlton over there.

Sure, we can nitpick about this player error and that player error that shouldn't have occurred, but in the general framework of a football game when one team is permitted to attack the footy/take their time/dispose of the footy as they see fit - at polar opposites to the opposition - it completely changes the outcome of the match in a way that is completely and utterly unacceptable.
 

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How many years has it taken them to decide to remove the drug cheats brownlow?

Bevo can collect his medal in 2020.

Actually, cant see how or why another medal should be presented? If Beveridge gives his medal away then that is a great gesture but his to make.
Cam Mooney (worked with the Bulldogs for a while) reckons that Murphy will enjoy the medal for a few days then hand it back to Beveridge. Sounds the right thing to do and fits with Murphy's character.
 

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Watched the gf again today. Good game but there was always a sense that the swans were slow from the start but their physical precense seemed like it could work the dogs into the ground. Bulldogs didn't give them any space or time once the physicallity was nullified.

The other thing i noticed was the umpiring was incredibly bias towards the dogs. Noticed the same in most of the hawks gf wins, particularly the Swans in 2014. The umpires just seemed to give the dogs a little bit more leeway in terms of hardness, allowed them to be more physical and called the swans a few times that was questionable. The swans big strength was nullifed in part by the umpires i reckon.The umpires did this for hawthorn for years, it brings doubt into the opposition.

There were about 4 times they allowed the bulldogs to slide into the swans legs. Once they actually called it 'high' on the dogs after the dogs player slid into the ball.

There was also 2 really bad decisions in the 3rd where they penalised Rampe for holding the ball and then allowed a dogs player (smith i think) to duck and recieve a free which resulted in a goal. McViegh weighed in at this stage and questioned the umps.

By the last the swans were stuffed, their physicality was taken out of the game and the dogs smashed them with pace.

If it were Port in the swans place, i would have been disappointed but not surprised. Sometimes it is disappointing the afl continues to grow and go from strength to strength when clearly it is a poorly officiated and run competition.
Fairly accurate appraisal but if Port was on the receiving end of that officiating in a GF I'd be more postal than disappointed.
 

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This analogy would only make sense if the Grand Final was the only game played at the MCG every year. Nobody has a home ground advantage at Wembley.
I wouldn't mind it so much if every non-Victorian side got to play there at least 3 times every home & away season. With at least one of those in the last five rounds. And if that means smaller crowds there and more Vic vs. Vic games at Etihad as a result then so be it. And every non-Vic side in addition gets to train on it mid-week at least 4 or 5 other times during the year, including in the break between round 23 and finals.

To enrage some of the 'Don't mention the war or the 2014 preliminary' mob, would we have missed so many shots on goals during that game, compared to the Hawks, if our players had had more chance to familiarise themselves with the peculiarities of wind etc that every ground throws up? Or even just training there to finalise tactics on the different ground dimensions?

I get that unless/until the non-Victorian clubs outnumber the Vics we're never going to see a GF outside Victoria. And having been to both ours there, I'm mostly ok with that.

However the AFL not a) willing to admit it's a clear leg up to their favoured sides and b) take measures within their control to level the field grate my nerves.

This gets back to where I get enraged by the likes of Fagan / Roo and their (not as idiotic) counterparts in other non-Victorian states not seeing that every time they take a swipe at us (or a West coast / Freo, Lions / GC or any state v state dispute not involving the Vics), that Gil, Eddie and co. are all laughing, not because they are funny, but at how these idiots do their job of keeping it an uneven playing field, without the Vics having to often openly push their agenda.

[/END RANT before I get too enraged and burst a blood vessel]
 
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...would we have missed so many shots on goals during that game, compared to the Hawks, if our players had had more chance to familiarise themselves with the peculiarities of wind etc that every ground throws up? Or even just training their to finalise tactics on the different ground dimensions...
No we wouldn't have. The wind at the end we were kicking to in the first was opposite to the rest of the ground because of the stand and always is when it blows like that. I've been to the MCG hundreds of times and picked it up as soon as I walked in. It took our boys most of the first to figure it out.
 
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