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Johnston definitely played in the 1990 GF, but I think he got injured early in the game and David Hynes stepped up. You may be thinking of 1988.
Grave Danger, post: 47108288, member: 156"]Johnston definitely played in the 1990 GF, but I think he got injured early in the game and David Hynes stepped up. You may be thinking of 1988.[/QUOTE]

Yeah my bad, it was 1988. :thumbsu:
 

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Any arbitrary cutoff that people could possibly come up with isn't going to be as clear and as fair a cutoff as the one we already have. If you didn't play in the premiership, you shouldn't get a premiership medal.

And Beveridge shouldn't have a new medal made up for him either. What he did on Saturday was probably the classiest gesture I've ever seen on a footy field. Giving him a replacement medal would only cheapen that gesture.
 

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Any arbitrary cutoff that people could possibly come up with isn't going to be as clear and as fair a cutoff as the one we already have. If you didn't play in the premiership, you shouldn't get a premiership medal.

And Beveridge shouldn't have a new medal made up for him either. What he did on Saturday was probably the classiest gesture I've ever seen on a footy field. Giving him a replacement medal would only cheapen that gesture.
I dunno, it just seems an odd throwback given the brutal and attritional nature of our sport.

Warren Primus plays all 24 games. Blows out a knee in the final training session before getting on a plane for the parade.

Dougal Frampton makes his debut on Grand Final day and tears a hamstring in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Who deserves a medallion?
 

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I dunno, it just seems an odd throwback given the brutal and attritional nature of our sport.

Warren Primus plays all 24 games. Blows out a knee in the final training session before getting on a plane for the parade.

Dougal Frampton makes his debut on Grand Final day and tears a hamstring in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Who deserves a medallion?


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premiership players only, noone else should want one, if you dont play on the day you arent a premiership player. no token medal will ever change that. each club can individually acknowledge the full squad in their own right but premiership medals should only ever go to those playing on the day.
 

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I dunno, it just seems an odd throwback given the brutal and attritional nature of our sport.

Warren Primus plays all 24 games. Blows out a knee in the final training session before getting on a plane for the parade.

Dougal Frampton makes his debut on Grand Final day and tears a hamstring in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Who deserves a medallion?
It's not necessarily about who 'deserves' one. Does Aaron Keating 'deserve' a premiership medallion more than Matthew Pavlich?

Premiership medals go to players who have won premierships. There's an element of good and bad luck involved, but any attempt to try to draw up fixed rules to put fairness in place over luck is more likely to lead to absurd situations as the current system. Let's say they make the cutoff, say, 5 games in a season. Bob Murphy still doesn't get his premiership medal. Rookie listed blow-in Jed Adcock who's been at the Bulldogs for five minutes and played 7 nondescript games before being permanently banished back to the state league gets one. Is that an improvement?

The alternative is no hard-and-fast rule, decide it on a case-by-case basis. Which would be granting the power to decide who receives the greatest honour our sport can bestow to the same mob of incompetent jackoffs who have taken four years and counting to decide whether Jab Watson gets to keep the Brownlow he won while using performance enhancing drugs.
 
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It's not necessarily about who 'deserves' one. Does Aaron Keating 'deserve' a premiership medallion more than Matthew Pavlich?

Premiership medals go to players who have won premierships. There's an element of good and bad luck involved, but any attempt to try to draw up fixed rules to put fairness in place over luck is more likely to lead to absurd situations as the current system. Let's say they make the cutoff, say, 5 games in a season. Bob Murphy still doesn't get his premiership medal. Rookie listed blow-in Jed Adcock who's been at the Bulldogs for five minutes and played 7 nondescript games before being permanently banished back to the state league gets one. Is that an improvement?

The alternative is no hard-and-fast rule, decide it on a case-by-case basis. Which would be granting the power to decide who receives the greatest honour our sport can bestow to the same mob of incompetent jackoffs who have taken four years and counting to decide whether Jab Watson gets to keep the Brownlow he won while using performance enhancing drugs.
Apples and oranges, surely. Both Matthew Pavlich and Freo never won one so that comparison is moot.

Now did Mark Ricciuto (1997 All-Australian) and Tony Modra (1997 All-Australian & Coleman Medallist) deserve one as much, if not more than Aaron Keating? Absolutely. Basic chicken-egg stuff. There's no way that club gets near Grand Final day without the contributions of those two.

Personal preference is the squad model utilised in foreign competitions. Percentage of games plus special dispensation for certain cases. Such as when Alan Smith had his ankle shattered playing for Man United.

Might seem hokey, but it takes a village, etc.
 

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Apples and oranges, surely. Both Matthew Pavlich and Freo never won one so that comparison is moot.

Now did Mark Ricciuto (1997 All-Australian) and Tony Modra (1997 All-Australian & Coleman Medallist) deserve one as much, if not more than Aaron Keating? Absolutely. Basic chicken-egg stuff. There's no way that club gets near Grand Final day without the contributions of those two.

Personal preference is the squad model utilised in foreign competitions. Percentage of games plus special dispensation for certain cases. Such as when Alan Smith had his ankle shattered playing for Man United.

Might seem hokey, but it takes a village, etc.
Applying association football's 'squad model' to the AFL is apples and oranges too. It's a pure league competition. There's no Grand Final in the EPL.

And the idea of incorporating special dispensation brings us back to the Jobe Watson's Brownlow point.
 

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Everyone's forgetting the big question - did Leon Davis get a medal?
Yes I am 95% sure he did.

Anyway, it's all just a media beat up. Murphy will hand it back to Beveridge, but all involved will never forget the memory of being apart of something special (ok that was a cringeworthy thing to say, but it's true).
 

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Applying association football's 'squad model' to the AFL is apples and oranges too. It's a pure league competition. There's no Grand Final in the EPL.

And the idea of incorporating special dispensation brings us back to the Jobe Watson's Brownlow point.
I'm not advocating for change on this issue either but there are plenty of comparable leagues overseas that have "grand finals" where the whole squad gets recognition (NFL, NBA etc).
 

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Beveridge strikes me as the sort of guy who doesn't care about momentos like medallions anyway. He just loves his club and his players. He'll be known as the coach who delivered a flag to Footscray for the rest of his life - he doesn't need the medal to prove it.

Compare that to our premiership coach who could have done a similar act for Primus but instead chose to shitbag a sponsor, and you can see why there is a culture issue at this club.
 

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I'm not advocating for change on this issue either but there are plenty of comparable leagues overseas that have "grand finals" where the whole squad gets recognition (NFL, NBA etc).
Yep. I mean let's not go nuts, Andrew Gaze received a ring for playing 8 minutes for the Spurs and not a second of playoffs, but carn.
 

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Apples and oranges, surely. Both Matthew Pavlich and Freo never won one so that comparison is moot.

Now did Mark Ricciuto (1997 All-Australian) and Tony Modra (1997 All-Australian & Coleman Medallist) deserve one as much, if not more than Aaron Keating? Absolutely. Basic chicken-egg stuff. There's no way that club gets near Grand Final day without the contributions of those two.

Personal preference is the squad model utilised in foreign competitions. Percentage of games plus special dispensation for certain cases. Such as when Alan Smith had his ankle shattered playing for Man United.

Might seem hokey, but it takes a village, etc.
Or go with both. A medal for those on the day and a squad ring (for any who played a game). I think being part of the GF 22 needs special recognition, but also that those who contributed along the way and didn't play is not recognised as it should be at present.
 

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Maybe I am in the minority, but my two bob's worth ;) is I believe people are being a little mean spirited in bagging Bevo's gesture to give his premiership medal to Bob Murphy. .......
Is anyone bagging Bevo for giving his medal to Bob?

If the AFL give Bevo a medal top replace the one he gave to Bob then ipso facto Bevo did not actually give his medal to Bob. The AFL will actually make Bevo's gesture completely meaningless.
 

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Or go with both. A medal for those on the day and a squad ring (for any who played a game). I think being part of the GF 22 needs special recognition, but also that those who contributed along the way and didn't play is not recognised as it should be at present.
Actually not a bad idea.
 

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If I was Bob I wouldn't accept it, get up on the mic and tell everyone I'll win one next year. Seems awkward now
I thought it was good at the time but I was pissed up.The next day however I thought this Murphy has got no shame on his face.Not only did he get up on stage and collect an undeserved medal with a grin like the Cheshire cat.But he then stood infront of Bevo to hold the premiership cup aloft.Sure Bevo pushed him up but Murphy should have been humble and stood back.Then the next day both him and the actual Premiership captain Easton Wood held the cup aloft at the Family day.
Next thing you know Murphy will be claiming the Norm Smith as his own because he taught Johanisen how to play footy.Some of you blokes with talent should make up one of those meme things on that one.
 

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I thought it was good at the time but I was pissed up.The next day however I thought this Murphy has got no shame on his face.Not only did he get up on stage and collect an undeserved medal with a grin like the Cheshire cat.But he then stood infront of Bevo to hold the premiership cup aloft.Sure Bevo pushed him up but Murphy should have been humble and stood back.Then the next day both him and the actual Premiership captain Easton Wood held the cup aloft at the Family day.
Next thing you know Murphy will be claiming the Norm Smith as his own because he taught Johanisen how to play footy.Some of you blokes with talent should make up one of those meme things on that one.
I felt a bit uncomfortable with it too. Sorry, just my opinion. Seemed like a bit of overkill, like giving a child that missed out on a prize, a participation award. Just didn't sit right with me, I know I am in the minority but I think looking back at it Bob might feel a bit uncomfortable. How about the other players in that team that played a lot of games but missed out? Plus to me it wasn't this magnamanous gesture by Bevo. He gets the kudos for being the premiership coach anyway. Yes, I'll be howled down, but to me it was meh on the part of Bevo and embarrassing for Bob.
 

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I felt a bit uncomfortable with it too. Sorry, just my opinion. Seemed like a bit of overkill, like giving a child that missed out on a prize, a participation award. Just didn't sit right with me, I know I am in the minority but I think looking back at it Bob might feel a bit uncomfortable. How about the other players in that team that played a lot of games but missed out? Plus to me it wasn't this magnanimous gesture by Bevo. He gets the kudos for being the premiership coach anyway. Yes, I'll be howled down, but to me it was meh on the part of Bevo and embarrassing for Bob.
Especially guys like Lin Jong, who played 16 games and was part of the first 22 from R13 to the EF(R14 was a bye) and then missed out due to injury. He may have even been fit enough to play but they could not risk that in a GF.

I'm sure he would have been prepared to accept not getting a medal but doing so would have been made a bit more difficult seeing Murphy get one. On the other side you have the argument that a player who has been a 17-year servant of the club deserves some kind of recognition. It has already been posted here but something at the family day could have been more appropriate.
 
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Or go with both. A medal for those on the day and a squad ring (for any who played a game). I think being part of the GF 22 needs special recognition, but also that those who contributed along the way and didn't play is not recognised as it should be at present.
I think the club winning the GF should take it upon them selves to issue all players and team staff with a premiership ring.
Leave the official stuff like medals and trophies go the AFL.
 

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Ch7 in Melbourne reported that the AFL is being urged to give Beveridge a medal for the one he gave up.
I think it's great what he did don't get me wrong but they may as well give their whole playing list a medal if they give him another. It was his choice to give it away in the first place.
 
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