Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 8

[Chrizzt]

Jonas got 6 weeks for his hit 2 years back. If that’s the benchmark Jeremy should have got 6 or 7

Jonas got 5 weeks plus 1 for having the audacity to challenge, ie not going early with the accepting guilty plea.

Either of 5 or 6 weeks is fair enough.

 

[Power Raid]

So no more term contracts for players?

Player or club can terminate employment with 2 weeks notice. Coaches no longer able to develop game plans based on the players on their list. Good players able to chase the dollars as clubs' needs change. Average players not knowing from month to month if they'll have a job. Injury prone players dumped.

No thanks.

like any place of business, they have to lift their game if they are to retain people

 

[Andre]

I’m open to a change of job or place of work like any other employee.

2 weeks notice and the player can join a new club at anytime of the year

Sure if the 2 weeks notice is to leave the AFL and join the SANFL, VFL or working at the local Coles. The AFL clubs are effectively different branches of one company. If you belong to a company with multiple branches you can put in to transfer, but you can't just say 'I'm fed up here, I want to work at the store with all the cool people'.

 

[spookism]

Left of field. Very prepared to be howled down.

What do you all think about an official signings period in the middle of the year? 4 weeks, around the bye (good for media) where all clubs can talk to all players - but they can only be signed by their own club. All other extensions must happen out of season. (After the gf, before the first round)

I’m so bored of hearing of players signing etc. Wines is done, on to Polec. It would give the second half of the season clear air if he chooses not to take an extension in that period - he has to wait until after the season.

All players must be signed for the next season by the draft, but can again be extended until first round.

Too weird?

But what else will the media talk about on Wednesday's?

 

[Andre]

Left of field. Very prepared to be howled down.

What do you all think about an official signings period in the middle of the year? 4 weeks, around the bye (good for media) where all clubs can talk to all players - but they can only be signed by their own club. All other extensions must happen out of season. (After the gf, before the first round)

I’m so bored of hearing of players signing etc. Wines is done, on to Polec. It would give the second half of the season clear air if he chooses not to take an extension in that period - he has to wait until after the season.

All players must be signed for the next season by the draft, but can again be extended until first round.

Too weird?

I'd be happy for all clubs can talk to all players / about all players at a mid-season 'trade discussion week'. I'd support that players should be able to say then to their club, if in their last contract year they aren't staying or ask them to start looking elsewhere if they are contracted and clubs can start talking picks / trades then.

AFL fans are still emotionally immature about the whole 'I haven't made my mind up yet' bullshit. In lot's of other sports players are able to say they are going elsewhere at the end of season and fans still support them. AFL fans throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[raptalia]

Jeremy Clayton?

Sorry, getting my Jeremies mixed. Should read Cameron of course.

Neither Jeremy will front against us in Round 18. Unless of course GWS somehow appeal and somehow win.

 

[raptalia]

Left of field. Very prepared to be howled down.

What do you all think about an official signings period in the middle of the year? 4 weeks, around the bye (good for media) where all clubs can talk to all players - but they can only be signed by their own club. All other extensions must happen out of season. (After the gf, before the first round)

I’m so bored of hearing of players signing etc. Wines is done, on to Polec. It would give the second half of the season clear air if he chooses not to take an extension in that period - he has to wait until after the season.

All players must be signed for the next season by the draft, but can again be extended until first round.

Too weird?

I am not sure what the big issue is with players negotiating at any stage during the season? We all know when players are due to come out of contract and that their management will play argie bargie over their contract. If a Club has it's support networks and environment right, as ours obviously has, there are no issues with players re signing. If on the other had the environment is toxic, as is the case elsewhere, players move back to Melbourne.

 

[mic59]

What about this one. Although maybe they should have had the Richmond supporter requesting 22 games at the "G".

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I said back on page 88 of this thread that history shows from all these head high hits since 2015 when all level offences were standardized ( ie Silvangi, May, Jonas, Houli and Bugg cases) that Cameron would get 1 week less than the AFL counsel argued for.

That is what happened. From the live feed
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-26/live-cameron-at-the-tribunal-from-6pm-aest
Nick Pane QC submits that a minimum sanction of six matches should be appropriate.
Rob O'Neill submits that a sanction of four matches should be appropriate.
Jeremy Cameron has been suspended for FIVE weeks.

In the Jonas Case the AFL counsel was Jeff Gleeson QC, who has a history of going hard after the players. Glesson tried to convince the panel in the Stephen May case that the MRP should have issued an Intentional not a Careless ruling which really pissed off May's counsel. Glesson (who was also the counsel on the Silvangi case) asked for 7 games and accused Jonas of reconstructing the truth when he pleaded careless and not intentional. See the facts and proceedings of the cases upto and including Houli at
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...t-with-jed-lamb.1169402/page-76#post-51055700
and summary of the above cases and facts for Bugg case at
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...now-with-a-poll.1169865/page-34#post-51149347

Same happened in the Houli case. The AFL counsel Andrew Woods went soft on the Houli, the he is a good bloke and has had 11 clean year record and the panel believed him and gave 1 week discount for good bloke clean record and 1 for pleading guilty and they gave him 2. Then the AFL appealed and he got 4.

Bottom line, the harder the tougher the AFL counsel goes at a player, the longer the player gets suspended for these head high hits. And where possible, avoid a hearing where Jeff Glesson QC is the AFL counsel.

 

[TeeKray]

Jonas was worse in the sense that it was later and cruder and not so much in the contest. But Cameron had so much potential to cause serious injury there that it's not funny. If there's ever going to be a fatality on an AFL field, that would be how it would happen - big hit that knocks an airborne big guy out cold before his head slams unprotected into the ground from a decent height. It's just not on and it should've been at least 6.

 

[LFC2010]

I said back on page 88 of this thread that history shows from all these head high hits since 2015 when all level offences were standardized ( ie Silvangi, May, Jonas, Houli and Bugg cases) that Cameron would get 1 week less than the AFL counsel argued for.

That is what happened. From the live feed
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-26/live-cameron-at-the-tribunal-from-6pm-aest
Nick Pane QC submits that a minimum sanction of six matches should be appropriate.
Rob O'Neill submits that a sanction of four matches should be appropriate.
Jeremy Cameron has been suspended for FIVE weeks.

In the Jonas Case the AFL counsel was Jeff Gleeson QC, who has a history of going hard after the players. Glesson tried to convince the panel in the Stephen May case that the MRP should have issued an Intentional not a Careless ruling which really pissed off May's counsel. Glesson (who was also the counsel on the Silvangi case) asked for 7 games and accused Jonas of reconstructing the truth when he pleaded careless and not intentional. See the facts and proceedings of the cases upto and including Houli at
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...t-with-jed-lamb.1169402/page-76#post-51055700
and summary of the above cases and facts for Bugg case at
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...now-with-a-poll.1169865/page-34#post-51149347

Same happened in the Houli case. The AFL counsel Andrew Woods went soft on the Houli, the he is a good bloke and has had 11 clean year record and the panel believed him and gave 1 week discount for good bloke clean record and 1 for pleading guilty and they gave him 2. Then the AFL appealed and he got 4.

Bottom line, the harder the tougher the AFL counsel goes at a player, the longer the player gets suspended for these head high hits. And where possible, avoid a hearing where Jeff Glesson QC is the AFL counsel.

We all know why the AFL didn't appoint Gleeson to the case.

the bottom statement being the number reason.

AFL are as crooked as they come.

 

[DaTBird187]

Jonas was worse in the sense that it was later and cruder and not so much in the contest. But Cameron had so much potential to cause serious injury there that it's not funny. If there's ever going to be a fatality on an AFL field, that would be how it would happen - big hit that knocks an airborne big guy out cold before his head slams unprotected into the ground from a decent height. It's just not on and it should've been at least 6.

That sums it up well.

As much as I love Tommy, I just couldn't understand what he was trying to achieve.

 

[philreich]

Seriously Walker isn't much better than Ian Perrie

Plus he doesn't speak English.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Call me a cynic but I love how the AFL Media didn't report what AFL counsel Nick Pane QC said in his arguments in this main story on their website.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-26/cameron-cops-fivegame-ban-for-intentional-hit

They had no problem quoting Glesson, Pane etc in the other cases I have analysed.

I guess one consolation is that he wont be playing in the Rd 18 game at AO against the Giants.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Call me a cynic but I love how the AFL Media didn't report what AFL counsel Nick Pane QC said in his arguments in this main story on their website.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-26/cameron-cops-fivegame-ban-for-intentional-hit

They had no problem quoting Glesson, Pane etc in the other cases I have analysed.

I guess one consolation is that he wont be playing in the Rd 18 game at AO against the Giants.

Shame Hawks Eagles Tigers ( and even Crows) will also benefit

 

[philreich]

Jonas got 6 weeks off. Gaff was off for one.

Cameron gets 5 weeks off. I'm fairly sure that Andrews won't be gracing a football field in a fortnight's time.

Everyone is tired of the inconsistency and blatant favouritism.

If Jonas were to do what Cameron did, he would currently be appealing his 3 year jail sentence.

 

[manureid]

If Jonas were to do what Cameron did, he would currently be appealing his 3 year jail sentence.

In all seriousness, if Jonas had done that they would be calling for him to be de-registered.

 

[philreich]

In all seriousness, if Jonas had done that they would be calling for him to be de-registered.

Well he missed a final last year for something nowhere near as serious (not saying he shouldn't have been suspended - he deserved a game for stupidity!!!), but he needs to tread a very fine line from now on, because he's so important to our chances in September!!!

 

[Portology]

Did lel. In the middle of Dymocks. Strange looks followed. Not buying it, in any sense

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[Grave Danger]

Did lel. In the middle of Dymocks. Strange looks followed. Not buying it, in any sense

That's ambitious, Dennis The "WA" should be after the "THE" in the sub-heading. Even then you might get an argument from East Freo/South Freo and East Perth/West Perth fans of old.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Mmmm..has Seedsman done a hammy?

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Well he missed a final last year for something nowhere near as serious (not saying he shouldn't have been suspended - he deserved a game for stupidity!!!), but he needs to tread a very fine line from now on, because he's so important to our chances in September!!!

Just need to get Tommy to a GF and say.. no stop signs today mate

 

[Steve Dore]

Mmmm..has Seedsman done a hammy?

Not that I'm aware.

 

[Fade to Gray]

Mmmm..has Seedsman done a hammy?

Nah, it's just awareness.


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[philreich]

Just need to get Tommy to a GF and say.. no stop signs today mate

Mate if he's playing on the MCG on September 29, I don't care if he pretends he's David Granger, and his opponent is Graham Cornes .