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I've posted this image before.

This freeze frame is at the point where Jenkins first makes contact with the ball. The ball and his body are clearly over the goal line with only his back foot still in the field of play. The goal umpire's positioning is actually poor as his head is behind the goal post meaning that his sight line on the point post is well behind the goal line. Should have been a video review.

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Even Crows supporters think he is a Joe the Goose specialist.
That looks like he's marked it inside the field of play to me.
 

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Goal Umpire positioning in the AFL is woefully bad. Something I've only noticed when I goal ump'd a few games a few years back. The coaching must be plain wrong. Honesty they get it right more often in amateur leagues than the pros.
 
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Goal Umpire positioning in the AFL is woefully bad. Something I've only noticed when I goal ump'd a few games a few years back. The coaching must be plain wrong. Honesty they get it right more often in amateur leagues than the pros.
They can afford to get it wrong in the pros... The score review system will save them... It's fool-proof I tell ya! ;)
 

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Goal Umpire positioning in the AFL is woefully bad. Something I've only noticed when I goal ump'd a few games a few years back. The coaching must be plain wrong. Honesty they get it right more often in amateur leagues than the pros.
The standards to get into the AFL umpiring are supposedly high, and yet a player can hit the post in a GF with the ump standing in a perfect spot and still have it cleared for a goal.

It's simply baffling when there's really no other interpretation for a ball hitting a post. It's a binary decision.
 

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That looks like he's marked it inside the field of play to me.
You see where his back foot is (on the line in case it is not as obvious as I think it is)? Naturally, you can then theorise where his knee is... which then if you apply logic and reasoning, you can deduce where his other leg is in relation...which in my mind lends itself to the location of the football in his arms...

Well, you can take it from there.
 

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I've posted this image before.

This freeze frame is at the point where Jenkins first makes contact with the ball. The ball and his body are clearly over the goal line with only his back foot still in the field of play. The goal umpire's positioning is actually poor as his head is behind the goal post meaning that his sight line on the point post is well behind the goal line. Should have been a video review.

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Even Crows supporters think he is a Joe the Goose specialist.
Seriously, how the hell could the goal umpire make any sort of judgement with positioning like that? Amateur Football League!
 

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Seriously, how the hell could the goal umpire make any sort of judgement with positioning like that? Amateur Football League!

He was standing exactly where he should according to textbook coaching. AFL goalies have a ridiculous obsession with straddling the post. How many times did a bouncing ball use to hit one, leading to the common sense rule?
 

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You see where his back foot is (on the line in case it is not as obvious as I think it is)? Naturally, you can then theorise where his knee is... which then if you apply logic and reasoning, you can deduce where his other leg is in relation...which in my mind lends itself to the location of the football in his arms...

Well, you can take it from there.
Yeah well looking at it for me, it's clear his entire body is off the ground and the only point that is clearly over the line is his right foot. I'd say in that picture the ball is actually dead on the line and thus still hasn't totally crossed the line.

If someone was good at photoshop you could draw a line between goalpads and measure the distance of the ball to the pad, then draw a line in the same vertical direction as the goal post and I think it'll be pretty clear that the ball is in.

It's certainly not worth arguing a point like this where the ball is so incredibly close to the line, and most likely on it. There would be millimeters in it if it was a mistake, and I remember a Jay Schulz mark of the year contender that was 10's of cm behind the line and we celebrated that.
 

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Yeah well looking at it for me, it's clear his entire body is off the ground and the only point that is clearly over the line is his right foot. I'd say in that picture the ball is actually dead on the line and thus still hasn't totally crossed the line.

If someone was good at photoshop you could draw a line between goalpads and measure the distance of the ball to the pad, then draw a line in the same vertical direction as the goal post and I think it'll be pretty clear that the ball is in.

It's certainly not worth arguing a point like this where the ball is so incredibly close to the line, and most likely on it. There would be millimeters in it if it was a mistake, and I remember a Jay Schulz mark of the year contender that was 10's of cm behind the line and we celebrated that.
Mate, I was in line with it on the day and it was clearly across the line. Like I said earlier, even the Crowie in front of me was pissing himself laughing. So no, not millimeters in it on this occasion. Was about a foot over.
 

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I don't yell at Umpires, just say %%^&(*)(*&%, what do you yell at a female umpire when a mistake is made :D:D
 

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The standards to get into the AFL umpiring are supposedly high, and yet a player can hit the post in a GF with the ump standing in a perfect spot and still have it cleared for a goal.

It's simply baffling when there's really no other interpretation for a ball hitting a post. It's a binary decision.
He might have blinked or didn't see the deflection from his angle for whatever reason. He also had three field umpires who could've seen it and overruled him but didn't.
 

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He was standing exactly where he should according to textbook coaching. AFL goalies have a ridiculous obsession with straddling the post. How many times did a bouncing ball use to hit one, leading to the common sense rule?
The point I'm making is surely you get far better judgement by using 2 posts as the guide to see if the ball is marked either in play or over the line such as Jenkins was last season. It's not that hard.
 

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It's certainly not worth arguing a point like this where the ball is so incredibly close to the line, and most likely on it. There would be millimeters in it if it was a mistake, and I remember a Jay Schulz mark of the year contender that was 10's of cm behind the line and we celebrated that.
We were also 40 odd points up and won by 80. Crows were 2 goals up and won by points.

Also, that totally should have won mark of the year.
 

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The point I'm making is surely you get far better judgement by using 2 posts as the guide to see if the ball is marked either in play or over the line such as Jenkins was last season. It's not that hard.

I don't disagree which is why I'm saying the AFL standards and protocol is simply wrong. Can't blame the umpires.
 

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Goal Umpire positioning in the AFL is woefully bad. Something I've only noticed when I goal ump'd a few games a few years back. The coaching must be plain wrong. Honesty they get it right more often in amateur leagues than the pros.
May I ask where you goal umpired a few games and came to the conclusion they get it right more often in amateur league than they do in AFL?
He was standing exactly where he should according to textbook coaching. AFL goalies have a ridiculous obsession with straddling the post. How many times did a bouncing ball use to hit one, leading to the common sense rule?
It's quite the opposite actually.
 

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I've posted this image before.

This freeze frame is at the point where Jenkins first makes contact with the ball. The ball and his body are clearly over the goal line with only his back foot still in the field of play. The goal umpire's positioning is actually poor as his head is behind the goal post meaning that his sight line on the point post is well behind the goal line. Should have been a video review.

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Even Crows supporters think he is a Joe the Goose specialist.
Unless I've been tugging it too much today, the goal umpire I see is between the goal post nearest the players, and the players.
Which would make it even worse, as his vision isn't obstructed by any goal or behind post as your post indicates.
 

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Mate, I was in line with it on the day and it was clearly across the line. Like I said earlier, even the Crowie in front of me was pissing himself laughing. So no, not millimeters in it on this occasion. Was about a foot over.
Had a good view of that from level 3 Riverbank, a bit to the west of the goals. Clearly could see the line and he was over. IMO teams should be able to ask for 1 goal review a match themselves.
 

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Unless I've been tugging it too much today, the goal umpire I see is between the goal post nearest the players, and the players.
Which would make it even worse, as his vision isn't obstructed by any goal or behind post as your post indicates.
I don't know where in my post you think I indicated that the umpire's vision was obstructed. :confused:

I indicated that the goal umpires head was behind the post, that is, between the goal post and the fence. His head is hidden by the goal post in that camera angle. In the image his left leg and left arm are visible, his left foot being on the goal line, but the left side of his body is not visible as it would be if he was centred on the goal line. His yellow shirt is actually visible to the right of the post.

The line from his head to the middle of the point post is therefore at an angle to the goal line. AS he is so close to Jenkins and is looking to see at what point he marks the ball he can not see the goal line so is relying on the mistaken belief that he is looking along the goal line.

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I still believe he should have called for a review as was done in similar circumstances at AO only the next week or so.

Water under the bridge now and I don't want to start sounding like a "right in front of me" supporter :$
 

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