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3 mid fielders all ready out of 4 Victorians. Victoria could play 10-12 midfielders if they want to - on the flanks and 5 on the bench could be all mids.

Victoria is strong across the park, WA strong forwards and backs and shallow midfield and SA strong backs and midfield.

I looked at the voting of the 2025 Midfielders Medal ie Brownlow and in the top 30; (ie 27th to 30th all got 14 votes)

17 were Victorian midfielders inc Max Gawn
3 were forwards - Jezza Cameron, Thilthorpe and Luke Jackson who plays forward, ruck and as an onballer

2 were WA mids - Cripps and Chad Warner
5 were SA mids / small forwards - Dawson, Rozee, Lachie Neale, Rankine and NMM is back/mid
3 were from other states were mids Heeney, Tom Green and Dane Zorko is mid/back

Placings 31-36 were all Victorian mids - Libber, J Daicos, W Ashcroft, Sidebottom, LDU and Ed Richards.
 
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Since Hawthorn won their first VFL flag in 1961 the biggest gaps between their flags have been;

17 years 1991-2008
11 years+ 2015-2026+
10 years 1961-1971

Shorter gaps have been
5 years x 3 1971-76, 1978-83, 2008-13
3 years x 1 1983-86
2 years x 3 1976-78, 1986-88, 1989-91

back to back 3 times, 1988-89, 2013-14. 2014-15
 
Since Hawthorn won their first VFL flag in 1961 the biggest gaps between their flags have been;

17 years 1991-2008
11 years+ 2015-2026+
10 years 1961-1971

Shorter gaps have been
5 years x 3 1971-76, 1978-83, 2008-13
3 years x 1 1983-86
2 years x 3 1976-78, 1986-88, 1989-91

back to back 3 times, 1988-89, 2013-14. 2014-15

Really makes you think.
 

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Really makes you think.
Sheedy has said a few times, it was easier to win a VFL premiership than an AFL premiership. He has 2 of each.
 
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If there is an Injury i expect supplementary spots and or compensation of some kind.

We didn't even get a supplementary spot or compensation when another club injected one of our players with banned drugs without our knowledge.
 

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Further to my Hawthorn premiership time line - the last 35 years shows that when you are in the premiership window, do every thing you can to win multiple premierships, because the next window doesn't come up that quickly.


1990 Collingwood ======> 2010 ======> 2023
1991 Hawthorn =======> 2008 =====> 2013-14-15 the 2 expansion teams hogged the talent challengers would get
1992-94 WCE. ========> 2006 ======> 2018
1993 Essendon. =======> 2000 ======> still waiting, lost GF 2001
1995 Carlton =========> still waiting, lost GF 1999
1996-99 North ========> still waiting
1997-98 Adelaide ======> still waiting, lost GF 2017
2001-02-03 Brisbane ===> 2024-25
2004 Port ===========> still waiting, lost GF 2007
2005 Sydney ========> 2012 ======> still waiting, lost GFs in 2014-16-22-24
2007-09-11 Geelong. ===> 2022
2016 Bulldogs =========> still waiting, lost GF 2021
2017-19-20 Richmond
2021 Melbourne

Made GFs in that time
1997 St Kilda + 2009-10
2013 Fremantle
2019 GWS

Waiting more than 20 years since their last flag:
Carlton 30, Adelaide 27, North 26, Essendon 25, Port 21

Years waited between first period of dominance ending with a flag and then their next flag:
Brisbane 21, Collingwood 20, West Coast 12, Geelong 11, Sydney 7, Essendon 7, Hawthorn 5

The Hawks were kissed on the dick. In 2008 a 23-1 Geelong choked and lost the GF to a young Hawks who were a few years away from their prime, and then the expansion teams sucking up so many first round picks, inc U/17 signings meant when Hawthorn were dominate, serious challengers couldn't get access to champion kids to help knock the Hawks out.

We stuffed up not winning a couple of flags in 2001-05 years, and not winning 1 in the 2020-24 years. I fear we could be waiting until the 2030's to win one again. I hope I'm wrong, and Josh corrects things quickly, but history is against him.
 
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Further to my Hawthorn premiership time line - the last 35 years shows that when you are in the premiership window, do every thing you can to win multiple premierships, because the next window doesn't come up that quickly.


1990 Collingwood ======> 2010 ======> 2023
1991 Hawthorn =======> 2008 =====> 2013-14-15 the 2 expansion teams hogged the talent challengers would get
1992-94 WCE. ========> 2006 ======> 2018
1993 Essendon. =======> 2000 ======> still waiting, lost GF 2001
1995 Carlton =========> still waiting, lost GF 1999
1996-99 North ========> still waiting
1997-98 Adelaide ======> still waiting, lost GF 2017
2001-02-03 Brisbane ===> 2024-25
2004 Port ===========> still waiting, lost GF 2007
2005 Sydney ========> 2012 ======> still waiting, lost GFs in 2014-16-22-24
2007-09-11 Geelong. ===> 2022
2016 Bulldogs =========> still waiting, lost GF 2021
2017-19-20 Richmond
2021 Melbourne

Made GFs in that time
1997 St Kilda + 2009-10
2013 Fremantle
2019 GWS

Waiting more than 20 years since their last flag:
Carlton 30, Adelaide 27, North 26, Essendon 25, Port 21

Years waited between first period of dominance ending with a flag and then their next flag:
Brisbane 21, Collingwood 20, West Coast 12, Geelong 11, Sydney 7, Essendon 7, Hawthorn 5

The Hawks were kissed on the dick. In 2008 a 23-1 Geelong choked and lost the GF to a young Hawks who were a few years away from their prime, and then the expansion teams sucking up so many first round picks, inc U/17 signings meant when Hawthorn were dominate, serious challengers couldn't get access to champion kids to help knock the Hawks out.

We stuffed up not winning a couple of flags in 2001-05 years, and not winning 1 in the 2020-24 years. I fear we could be waiting until the 2030's to win one again. I hope I'm wrong, and Josh corrects things quickly, but history is against him.
Finishing top of the ladder two years in a row in the early 2000’s and not making a GF was shocking.
The other real chance was the preliminary final against the hawks when we kicked ourselves out the game in the first qtr kicking 3-9 with 17-7 inside 50’s and 41-21 contested possessions.
Hawthorn kick 6-1 in the second and go onto win the flag.
 
We didn't even get a supplementary spot or compensation when another club injected one of our players with banned drugs without our knowledge.

And the CEO of the league made light of the request during his opening address at the 2016 season launch.

What a competition.
 

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