- Mar 3, 2022
- 4,932
- 6,447
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
The plastic franchise has this one so stick that in ya pear salad and smoke it.
Port or Crows, who's been more successful in the AFL?
- Thread starter White Dogg
- Start date
- Tagged users None
- May 23, 2016
- 6,915
- 5,856
- AFL Club
- West Coast
The real question is, why are the two SA clubs about equal, whereas WC are way more successful than Freo? Crows had 6 years on Port while we had 8 on Freo.
Not sour grapes or anything - because Big Footy posters want to put asterisks against as many flags as possible
However i would vote for Pt Adelaide - they have got a genuine bona fide Premiership - plus plenty of top of the ladder finishes in their history
Adelaide have got 2 Premierships - however both years they had paltry 13-9 records - yet they are the Champion team
Ive posted this before - but the Crows 98 flag is the 2nd worst premiership ever in the history of VFL/AFL - only Fitzroys 4th and last in a 4 team comp - then win the flag is worse than the Crows
1998 - they win 13 games finish 5th - get flogged by Melb in week one - by plus 10 goals - and get a 2nd chance - that is rubbish - then simply win 3 games - and they are the champ - no that premiership should be ruled null and void
1997 - they get a vital home final in the 2nd week - the AFL were making up the rules re finals in the 90s - on a daily basis - there was nothing set in concrete
Adelaide are yet to win a proper flag - alah - have a very good season - win 17-18 games etc - and then win the flag - mickey mouse rules in the 90s got them the 2 flags
Thus for mine Port Adelaide are the better club
However i would vote for Pt Adelaide - they have got a genuine bona fide Premiership - plus plenty of top of the ladder finishes in their history
Adelaide have got 2 Premierships - however both years they had paltry 13-9 records - yet they are the Champion team
Ive posted this before - but the Crows 98 flag is the 2nd worst premiership ever in the history of VFL/AFL - only Fitzroys 4th and last in a 4 team comp - then win the flag is worse than the Crows
1998 - they win 13 games finish 5th - get flogged by Melb in week one - by plus 10 goals - and get a 2nd chance - that is rubbish - then simply win 3 games - and they are the champ - no that premiership should be ruled null and void
1997 - they get a vital home final in the 2nd week - the AFL were making up the rules re finals in the 90s - on a daily basis - there was nothing set in concrete
Adelaide are yet to win a proper flag - alah - have a very good season - win 17-18 games etc - and then win the flag - mickey mouse rules in the 90s got them the 2 flags
Thus for mine Port Adelaide are the better club
I'm sorry - but that is exactly sour grapes.
The rules re finals were set before the season started - the Crows won according to the rules.
The aim of the AFL competition is to be the best side on the field in the Grand Final. To do that, you have to
a) win enough games during the season to make the finals and
b)win the finals needed to be premier. That applied in 1997, 1998 and every other year.
In 1997, they got a home final because they were playing the side who finished 2nd, who got beaten by the team that finished 7th (7th! - Geelong were lucky to get the second chance after that
). Also in 1997, Adelaide had the highest %age in the league - maybe with a fair, balanced draw they could have finished top.In 1998, They finished 5th and got beaten by the side that finished 4th. The sides that finished 6th, 7th, and 8th also got beaten in the first week of finals. Which of them deserved the 2nd chance more than Adelaide? (By the way, Adelaide also had the highest %age in the league in 1998 - maybe with a fair, balanced draw they could have finished top).
There's more than one way to analyse and manipulate stats to show who was better or worse team - or you could just play the games, follow the rules, and see who wins (hint: it was Adelaide).
Last edited:
- Jun 5, 2004
- 9,148
- 6,677
- AFL Club
- West Coast
1 flag out of 6 top place finishes... rate that highly, lol.
Crows have 2 AFL Flags and Port have 1.
Crows are behind Hawthorn, West Coast, Brisbane, Richmond unbelieveably and Geelong. But they won Back to back. You only need a brief period to be successful as both Brisbane and Richmond have shown. Who cares if you've been trash for 80% of the time? See Richmond and Brisbane. They both have 3 AFL flags. Crows are ranked with Sydney, Collingwood, Essendon with 2.
Crows are behind Hawthorn, West Coast, Brisbane, Richmond unbelieveably and Geelong. But they won Back to back. You only need a brief period to be successful as both Brisbane and Richmond have shown. Who cares if you've been trash for 80% of the time? See Richmond and Brisbane. They both have 3 AFL flags. Crows are ranked with Sydney, Collingwood, Essendon with 2.
Rabish Binney
Left out overnight
Has there ever been more dross written on BF before? Seriously.
So a hypothetical situation - if Geelong (or any other side for that matter) scrape into the 8, and then happen to go on and win a flag, then it shouldn't be counted as a real flag?
Anyone who believes that, stand on your head.....
Rabish Binney
Left out overnight
Port probably unlucky not to have snagged a flag during the Brisbane era (2001;02;03). Had more H & A wins that any other club during that time.
But I guess you've got to win the prelims first.....something the AFC has had difficulty with at times....
But I guess you've got to win the prelims first.....something the AFC has had difficulty with at times....
Nup.
Port fans expect and respect flags.
The Crows have been more successful to date.
killtaker1993
Club Legend
- Sep 17, 2021
- 1,865
- 4,460
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
Who cares
Whichever way you slice it, it's fair to say that both clubs have underachieved.
hawthorne00
Debutant
- Sep 4, 2011
- 70
- 163
- AFL Club
- St Kilda
Port trolled the Crows into existence and goaded the rest of South Australian football into admitting their own irrelevance. That's probably enough to make up a flag's difference.
I would say overall, Port ever so slightly. But the Crows have the extra flag. So ultimately, the answer is the Crows
Goomba1973
Team Captain
- Aug 13, 2018
- 598
- 576
- AFL Club
- West Coast
- Other Teams
- New York Mets
Flags , not finals, flags not winning % .......flags - That is it . Everything else are just accessories
Adelaide 2 flags ( 1997 and 1998)
Port 1 flag (2004)
Answer: Adelaide - Because 2 is more than 1.
Adelaide 2 flags ( 1997 and 1998)
Port 1 flag (2004)
Answer: Adelaide - Because 2 is more than 1.
Normally agree with most of what Lethal says. Not on this one. Crows.
I call it equal.
Both teams have vastly underachieved during their time in the AFL with Adelaide overachieving twice in 1997 1998.
3 premierships between the clubs but plenty of failure too. Port have lost 4 prelims from top 2 spots, Adelaide 3 from top 2 spots. Both also dropped a GF in horrible efforts.
Port have been one of the biggest destination clubs, Adelaide quite the opposite. Port have had vastly less internal issues, stay more faithful with their coach while Adelaide often hit the panic button, have had more coaches (11) than any other AFL club over the past 30 years.
The showdown rivalry is one of the most intense in the competition, some of the craziest AFL games have been between these two teams.
Both teams have vastly underachieved during their time in the AFL with Adelaide overachieving twice in 1997 1998.
3 premierships between the clubs but plenty of failure too. Port have lost 4 prelims from top 2 spots, Adelaide 3 from top 2 spots. Both also dropped a GF in horrible efforts.
Port have been one of the biggest destination clubs, Adelaide quite the opposite. Port have had vastly less internal issues, stay more faithful with their coach while Adelaide often hit the panic button, have had more coaches (11) than any other AFL club over the past 30 years.
The showdown rivalry is one of the most intense in the competition, some of the craziest AFL games have been between these two teams.
- Mar 3, 2022
- 4,932
- 6,447
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
Both should fold so then we can support a real club.
FourthTimeAround
Cancelled
- Jun 6, 2022
- 2,173
- 2,639
- AFL Club
- Port Adelaide
Goomba1973
Team Captain
- Aug 13, 2018
- 598
- 576
- AFL Club
- West Coast
- Other Teams
- New York Mets
It's the only metric that actually counts....
apart from a club and it's own supporters , no one cares about winning %, finals played, final won, minor premierships, AA reps, Brownlow's, Colemans, Rising Stars, AFLCA Awards, AFLPA Awards, membership #s, money, sponsorships, spoons, average crowds...... they are all just accessories to Flags and can only be used as a metric when the two clubs being compared have won the same amount of flags.
it's funny you can write it lots of ways to suit any kind of narrative
Crows final 5 matches in 1998 - They travel away and play in Perth, Melbourne, Sydney, Melbourne, Melbourne and walk away with a 4-1 record and a flag - Not a single game in SA and they did it in September
Some would call the a feat worthy of a flag - and the history books agree
--
to answer the OP - both sides criminally underachieved as a whole, and the 2 flags to 1 make it a straight forward win to the Crows - just - Port win another flag before Adelaide and it tips very quickly and there is little argument...... unless we want to start using their 'ONE CLUB' mantra and bring in the 3x AFLW flags
No it's not.
Going by that stupid logic, 2nd is the same as 18th (which it obviously isn't).
The ladder doesn't show Premiers, then equal 18th for the other 17 teams.
The ladder shows a ranking - a ladder. That means 2nd is more succcessful than 3rd. It means 3rd is more successful than 4th. it means 4th is more successful than 5th etc.
And those rankings need to be taken into account when looking at Port's history. Those top-of-the-ladder finished they've had (when not resulting in premierships) are still "more successful than at least 15 teams in those seasons. That's why we have an official ladder - it shows where ALL teams finished and it shows that some teams were more successful than others.
I'm not stupid enough to suggest that Essendon has been just as successful as Geelong from 2012 onwards, but if you think that only flags count, that that plainly ridiculous statement would be true. Spoiler hint - it's false.
Agree to disagree. i don't enjoy footy like i used.. reason being the premiership drought the crows are (24 years). to me and many other fans its all about success and hoping to see your team win a flag(s)
Yeah, if you scrape into the finals then win a final or two or come from the bottom half of the 8 and make the finals the year after it can be a great season (like the pies this year) but if you are a contender and favorite and lose the GF or lose a prelim the season is a big FAIL.
As the port power fans say (which they pinched from the old 1870 port) "we exist to win premierships" lol so if thats the case, the crows have been more successful than Port Power. 2-1
Similar threads
