Ports not so loyal supporters

[Mong]

Hey port supporters (I hope your reading this powermad), you claim to be so loyal and be unable to compete with the crows with crowd numbers because they are supposedly all the other SANFL teams combined. (Well I for one never followed an SANFL team but do follow the Crows).

In 1996 Port Adelaide games averaged less than 10 000 per game. Thats a guess but I have been very generous if anything. Say 3000 of those were opposition supporters. In case you can't work that out that leaves about 7000 loyal Port supporters. Once again I think that figure is an huge overestimation but it'll do for this argument.

All of a sudden Port join the AFL and get 35000 members. Where were these fans before. Considering AFL memberships cost more than 2 times that of SANFL memberships, you cant use cost as an excuse.

They all just jumped on the bandwagon.

So don't bother with your loyal supporters crap, you'll just end up looking stupid (again).

And while I'm at it. Do you know why Port Adelaide have the biggest following in the SANFL? A: Because they have been the most succesful team. That just shows why people follow them. Because its easy to go for a successful team.

Real supporters are those who stand by their team for years without success. They are a different breed to Port supporters who firstly jumped on board because they would win and then secondly because they moved to the AFL.

And before you say that Crows supporters jumped on board because they joined the AFL. Yes they did. Look at their crowd figures, though, and they had consistent numbers through good times (91,92,93,97,98) and the bad years (94,95,96,99).

So next time you hear how loyal and dedicated a Port supporter is think of those from teams like Western Bulldogs or St Kilda just to name two. They are admirable supporters.

 

[Senor Skase]

Hi ****
Thank you for you inquiry about Port Adelaide.
To reply to your questions, Port's attendances in the SANFL have been consistently higher than any other SANFl club. I think you average of 10000 per game in 96 is very generous, (well to be honest it shows you have no idea) but thanks all the same.
In regard to your post about membership, the 35,000 includes category 1 Football Park members who are not Port supporters. There are probably, at a guess, 30,000 0f those who are supporters. But this is hard to determine.
Many more Port supporters took out Power membership than ever took out Magpies membership. Having said that, more Port members remained with the Magpies after the Power than remained with other SANFL clubs after the Crows. So Port supporters are the most loyal. There is no question many Port supporters wanted to follow Port in the AFL, that's why Port should have gone in in 1990, and that's why the Crows exist today.
Port's membership and attendances are solid in unsuccessful as well as successful eras. (Dont challenge me on this, or I will be forced to post the figures I have posted many times to rec.sport.football.australian, and that would be boring for both of us, unless you are totally clueless, when it might be instructive).
The Crows supprt is very solid, and you won't get an argument here. Good on the ones who were watching the footy in 96 and not vandalising Shaw's house.
As for the Bulldogs and Saints supporters, I have posted elsewhere I think they are true blue, as were the Fitzroy supporters. Good on them too.
Any more questions, post away!
Cheers
Senor Skase

 

[Power Mad]

It's difficult to really test your bandwagon theory re the Magpies because they've been towards the top of the ladder nearly all the time since Adam was a boy.

If they ever had a run like Sturt with all those consecutive wooden spoons we would find out about our supporters, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. On second thoughts, please hold your breath waiting for it to happen.

 

[Norwood Redlegs]

I am not a Port Magpies or Power supporter for obvious reasons, but I get frustrated at the people who continuously rubbish them. Port Adelaide deserve respect for their achievments in the SANFL and now in the AFL. They are a club based on Tradition which earns then the respect. Norwood too, are a similar club, with much success, 27 flags, runners up 28 times, and like Port, have the respect. On the other hand, the Crows, are young and still developing a culture. Ok, they have won a couple of premierships, but that does not give them the respect. That is earned after years of hard work. Go the Redlegs!

 

[Mong]

The Redlegs have only one 1 premiership in recent history.

They do not have respect, what are you on about?

 

[Power Mad]

**** shows us all how clueless he/she is yet again.

Port fans have a healthy respect for Norwood. In 295 meetings, Port have won 166 to Norwood's 124 (5 drawn), but in finals Norwood has won 23 to Port's 18.

Norwood gave Port their biggest grand final hiding ever in 1997 and went very close to winning in 1999 after coming through from the elimination final - a feat they actually achieved in 1984.

Apart from short periods of strength (Sturt in the 60's/70's, North in the early 70's and Glenelg in the mid 80's) no other SANFL sides come within a bull's roar of Port and Norwood's record.

That said, Redlegs fans must be very disappointed that they've only won 5 flags since 1950

 

[Dave]

Senor Skase - are the Cat 1 FP members actually counted in the clubs membership tally? If so, are they also counted as Crows members? Does this mean the figures are being artificially inflated? Do the respective clubs get any revenue from these people (ala the AFL club support memberships)? Does your chewing gum lose it's flavor on the bed post overnight?

seeya

Dave

 

[not skase]

Dave Crows members pay for 11 Crows home games. Power members pay for 11 Power home games. Cat 1 members pay for 22 games at Footy Park. All members pay for these games in advance at the start of the season. In what sense are cat 1 members counted twice? Remember they do pay for twice as many games. Or to put it another way they do pay for Power games and Crows games - why not count them for Power and Crows? I think cat 1 members funds go to SANFL but then again so does a high percentage of money that goes to Power and Crows so whats the difference?

 

[Senor Skase]

Hi Dave, thanks for the question
Yes, the membership numbers are deceptive. Category one football park members are counted in both the Crows and Port's membership. This means the same people are counted twice for both clubs. This levels out the membership numbers even though Crows games are sold out and Port games are not. The Crows have much more support than Port, but it doesn't tranfer to membership. Port have less supporters, but they sign up more of them. I forget your other questions... oh, chewing gum - yes.
Bye
Senor Skase

 

[Senor Skase]

Hi Not ...Skase
In a sense you are correct in saying the cat 1 pay for the games so what's the diff?
While I'm a Port supporter, I am not interested in stating anything that is not accurate, which is why I gave bong the benefit of the doubt...
It's no secret that Port are concerned about attendances. They are struggling to meet the target, and season ticket sales are down again this year in spite of making the finals. So while cat 1's still fill up the membership numbers, selling season tickets is where the crunch comes. Personally I believe Port's image and marketing of Port Power could have been better, but I've been a member for over 20 years, and I get accused of living in the past.
As for ****'s initial post, it is not a question of loyalty. Port supporters still sign up and cough up. However we overestimated Port's support and now have a hard battle in winning over the fringe Port supporters. I have every confidence that in the long run, Port will be the strongest club in this state in every department.
Bye
Senor Skase

 

[Senor Skase]

Hi Not ...Skase
In a sense you are correct in saying the cat 1 pay for the games so what's the diff?
While I'm a Port supporter, I am not interested in stating anything that is not accurate, which is why I gave bong the benefit of the doubt...
It's no secret that Port are concerned about attendances. They are struggling to meet the target, and season ticket sales are down again this year in spite of making the finals. So while cat 1's still fill up the membership numbers, selling season tickets is where the crunch comes. Personally I believe Port's image and marketing of Port Power could have been better, but I've been a member for over 20 years, and I get accused of living in the past.
As for ****'s initial post, it is not a question of loyalty. Port supporters still sign up and cough up. However we overestimated Port's support and now have a hard battle in winning over the fringe Port supporters. I have every confidence that in the long run, Port will be the strongest club in this state in every department.
Bye
Senor Skase
PS get yourselves over to newsgroup rec.sport.football.australian and have all this debate without the html crap...

 

[not skase]

The newsgroup rec.sport.football.australian is too public.

If you try to say that- Port will be the strongest club in this state in every department- on there you will only cause a great big Hoo-ha to quote a local phrase.

That hoo-ha would probably be not entirely unjustified though so why bother.

Its much quieter on this board and it seems to have a much better support factor for Port.

 

[Power Mad]

Are you sure? This forum has a number of knob-ends starting up anti-Port topics, where I haven't seen that sort of thing for ages on r.s.f.a or a.s.a-r.

On the other hand, it's been encouraging to see some supporters of other clubs (even Norwood!) here telling these idiots how wrong they are.

 

[crazy_big_al]

Originally posted by Norwood Redlegs
I am not a Port Magpies or Power supporter for obvious reasons, but I get frustrated at the people who continuously rubbish them. Port Adelaide deserve respect for their achievments in the SANFL and now in the AFL. They are a club based on Tradition which earns then the respect. Norwood too, are a similar club, with much success, 27 flags, runners up 28 times, and like Port, have the respect. On the other hand, the Crows, are young and still developing a culture. Ok, they have won a couple of premierships, but that does not give them the respect. That is earned after years of hard work. Go the Redlegs!

I really have to agree with a norwood supporter here

 

[Portia]

I wasn't a PAFC member before we entered the AFL. Are you going to tell me that I'm disloyal now?

 

[1jasonoz]

Originally posted by Porthos
I wasn't a PAFC member before we entered the AFL. Are you going to tell me that I'm disloyal now?

Just wondering, did you go for the Port Adelaide Magpies before they changed their name and joined the AFL?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Speaking of not so loyal supporters, I wonder how many crows supporters will actually turn up to farewell club legend Nige? They've been cconsistently 12K+ short of capacity this year as a sort of rough benchmark. Then again, how many turned up to farewell Malcolm "The Messiah" Blight in his last home game coaching the crows?

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by 1jasonoz
Just wondering, did you go for the Port Adelaide Magpies before they changed their name and joined the AFL?

Yeah. Didn't go as often, obviously.

 

[Mong]

I didn't start this thread.

How can somone else have my username?


****

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Speaking of not so loyal supporters, I wonder how many crows supporters will actually turn up to farewell club legend Nige? They've been cconsistently 12K+ short of capacity this year as a sort of rough benchmark. Then again, how many turned up to farewell Malcolm "The Messiah" Blight in his last home game coaching the crows?

Think you will find a fair chunk of those are Port Cat 1 SANFL members who don't turn up. Port have the same problem, only on a large scale! I will be there as always for Nige's farewell.

 

[Ateen7tee]

Originally posted by ****
I didn't start this thread.

How can somone else have my username?


****

Thread started in 2000 when there was another **** around....

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Poet from Port
Thread started in 2000 when there was another **** around....

Thank god for that

 

[Jars458]

The split up of category one members is as follows (couple of years ago I got this info)

Crows $100
Port $100
SANFL $163

Given the SANFL own the licecne to both teams its fair to say that teh members should be counted twice.

Why someone would take this option though is beyond me.

Support one or the other for heaven's sake.

 

[Mong]

Originally posted by Poet from Port
Thread started in 2000 when there was another **** around....

Ah yes. I didn't even look at the date. Thanks.

There is a new **** in town.


****

 

[marvin]

Originally posted by Jars458
The split up of category one members is as follows (couple of years ago I got this info)

Crows $100
Port $100
SANFL $163

Why someone would take this option though is beyond me.

$100 gets you a guaranteed "away" showdown ticket?