Opinion Port's ruck strategy

RussellEbertHandball

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I suspect Paddy in 2019 needs to be our forward foil. He looks like a natural forward with his body struggling to stand up to the battery of ruck.
Paddy has the ability to play forward, but the Essendon supporters who talked about it when we traded him in, said he had never been successful as a full time forward week in week out and needs to play on the ball to be where the action is.

This is maybe where Lade can be at his most useful. He had a long career of being 2nd ruck and forward until he got the #1 gig for most of his last 4 years.
 

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FishingRick04

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Paddy has the ability to play forward, but the Essendon supporters who talked about it when we traded him in, said he had never been successful as a full time forward week in week out and needs to play on the ball to be where the action is.

This is maybe where Lade can be at his most useful. He had a long career of being 2nd ruck and forward until he got the #1 gig for most of his last 4 years.
Well his time up forward this year shows he knows how to take a grab, good goal awareness and is a leading presence. Out Performed all our forward experts this year on that front with his short time there.
 

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Well his time up forward this year shows he knows how to take a grab, good goal awareness and is a leading presence. Out Performed all our forward experts this year on that front with his short time there.

How about if we snag Lycett rest Paddy up there and Dixon. Teach them how to lead and teach the players how to kick. After watching the Seconds just then our forward 50 stuff is abysmal from 1's to 2's.... 'Coaching'.
 

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With hindsight it’s easy to say we should have played Frampton.
But even when Ryder went down in Round 1 the calls to play Frampton or Hayes pre-injury were loud from the fans. It’s ******* frustrating as we saw this coming and especially now with Dixon out and Ryder not 100% fit Frampton would have had a decent bit of experience and would’ve slotted in perfectly.
Something has to have happened behind the scenes and if I was Billy I’d be looking for a trade.
 

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Some coaches get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and have very little idea how to use and play their ruckman. Simpson used 2 rucks last year when he had no Naitanui and continued it when Nick Nat was there this year and then when he did his ACL again.


As Richmond have demonstrated, clubs need to establish a structure which is suitable to their game plan. There is no hard and fast rule as you are making out.

Obviously I agree that Port have been very poor at integrating a ruck structure in the past couple of years, too much reliance on Ryder.
 

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RussellEbertHandball

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As Richmond have demonstrated, clubs need to establish a structure which is suitable to their game plan. There is no hard and fast rule as you are making out.

Obviously I agree that Port have been very poor at integrating a ruck structure in the past couple of years, too much reliance on Ryder.
Sure there is more than one way to skin a cat and Richmond developed a plan when they lost Ben Griffiths last year with concussion issues and decided to go small forward line and only 1 ruck and got away with BS of playing Grigg or another 185cm player as a second ruck.

17 clubs stupidly, in 2017 played into Richmond's hand and the same this year, until Grundy and to a lesser extent Cox last week said we aren't going to let Richmond get away with this BS.

I have written before that when Ryder is being dominate and with his leap, he should do a Babe Ruth, point where he is going to hit the ball at centre bounce, send Robbie or one of our other mids 10-15m forward of the centre circle and belt the ball straight down his throat and test out if a defender goes and stands the mid or plays russian roulette and stays back so its 2 v 3 at ground level inside the centre circle.

But Paddy jumps high, gets his hands to the ball first and does these little deft taps backwards or slightly forward, and if our mids get it first, usually they are set upon by the oppo and especially by Richmond mids, as its so easy to read what he is going to do. Paddy very very very rarely mixes it up at centre bounces.

Watch last years grand final and when Jacobs was up against Grigg, instead of belting the ball forward 20-30m to break things up, he went a nice little tap to Crouch, or Sloane, or Dougas etc and the Richmond mids were all over the crows player like a fat kid is on to a finger bun. There was no thinking, no trying to change things, no trying to upset Richmond's plans. Like a crowbot Jacobs was programmed to do the same thing over and over and over. But so were many other ruckmen the 3-4 months leading up to the 2017 GF.

Grundy in the PF was obviously instructed, when Grigg rucks, smash the bloody ball forward, so that if he doesn't jump its not 3 onto 4 on the ground. He did it a dozen times and most times Collingwood took the ball away as the ball was moving forward towards their goal and they were set up for it. But more importantly he had a mind set so that if he out jumped Nankervis to also do it and not let those manic Richmond mids an easy attack on the collingwood mids.

It has been hard for me to watch and believe so many head coaches who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and assistants a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year, plus all the video and football analysts clubs employ and they missed the bleeding obvious for well over 12 months and let Richmond get away with such a BS strategy. Well it was bleeding obvious to me anyway.
 

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Sure there is more than one way to skin a cat and Richmond developed a plan when they lost Ben Griffiths last year with concussion issues and decided to go small forward line and only 1 ruck and got away with BS of playing Grigg or another 185cm player as a second ruck.

17 clubs stupidly, in 2017 played into Richmond's hand and the same this year, until Grundy and to a lesser extent Cox last week said we aren't going to let Richmond get away with this BS.

I have written before that when Ryder is being dominate and with his leap, he should do a Babe Ruth, point where he is going to hit the ball at centre bounce, send Robbie or one of our other mids 10-15m forward of the centre circle and belt the ball straight down his throat and test out if a defender goes and stands the mid or plays russian roulette and stays back so its 2 v 3 at ground level inside the centre circle.

But Paddy jumps high, gets his hands to the ball first and does these little deft taps backwards or slightly forward, and if our mids get it first, usually they are set upon by the oppo and especially by Richmond mids, as its so easy to read what he is going to do. Paddy very very very rarely mixes it up at centre bounces.

Watch last years grand final and when Jacobs was up against Grigg, instead of belting the ball forward 20-30m to break things up, he went a nice little tap to Crouch, or Sloane, or Dougas etc and the Richmond mids were all over the crows player like a fat kid is on to a finger bun. There was no thinking, no trying to change things, no trying to upset Richmond's plans. Like a crowbot Jacobs was programmed to do the same thing over and over and over. But so were many other ruckmen the 3-4 months leading up to the 2017 GF.

Grundy in the PF was obviously instructed, when Grigg rucks, smash the bloody ball forward, so that if he doesn't jump its not 3 onto 4 on the ground. He did it a dozen times and most times Collingwood took the ball away as the ball was moving forward towards their goal and they were set up for it. But more importantly he had a mind set so that if he out jumped Nankervis to also do it and not let those manic Richmond mids an easy attack on the collingwood mids.

It has been hard for me to watch and believe so many head coaches who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and assistants a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year, plus all the video and football analysts clubs employ and they missed the bleeding obvious for well over 12 months and let Richmond get away with such a BS strategy. Well it was bleeding obvious to me anyway.
REH Absolutely agree...i would shout at the game live or tv just punch the f####g ball towards our goals set up our play makers accordingly and put their defence under pressure...do something different and make the oppo 2nd guess...
 

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It's hard to see how we can fix our ruck strategy. Paddy's fitness is a major concern.

Then at our ruck's feet, our mids are too big and slow.

What's certain is robbing KPF and KPB to hold up a broken Ryder should not be used in 2019.
 

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It's hard to see how we can fix our ruck strategy. Paddy's fitness is a major concern.

Then at our ruck's feet, our mids are too big and slow.

What's certain is robbing KPF and KPB to hold up a broken Ryder should not be used in 2019.
If we play two rucks and Paddy gets to rest half the game inside forward 50 (not leading up to the HBF) watch his "fitness" soar.

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Some coaches get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and have very little idea how to use and play their ruckman. Simpson used 2 rucks last year when he had no Naitanui and continued it when Nick Nat was there this year and then when he did his ACL again.


If Hinkley was the Eagles coach, when Naitanui went down he'd pinch hit Kennedy and Darling in the ruck.
 

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Sure there is more than one way to skin a cat and Richmond developed a plan when they lost Ben Griffiths last year with concussion issues and decided to go small forward line and only 1 ruck and got away with BS of playing Grigg or another 185cm player as a second ruck.

17 clubs stupidly, in 2017 played into Richmond's hand and the same this year, until Grundy and to a lesser extent Cox last week said we aren't going to let Richmond get away with this BS.

I have written before that when Ryder is being dominate and with his leap, he should do a Babe Ruth, point where he is going to hit the ball at centre bounce, send Robbie or one of our other mids 10-15m forward of the centre circle and belt the ball straight down his throat and test out if a defender goes and stands the mid or plays russian roulette and stays back so its 2 v 3 at ground level inside the centre circle.

But Paddy jumps high, gets his hands to the ball first and does these little deft taps backwards or slightly forward, and if our mids get it first, usually they are set upon by the oppo and especially by Richmond mids, as its so easy to read what he is going to do. Paddy very very very rarely mixes it up at centre bounces.

Watch last years grand final and when Jacobs was up against Grigg, instead of belting the ball forward 20-30m to break things up, he went a nice little tap to Crouch, or Sloane, or Dougas etc and the Richmond mids were all over the crows player like a fat kid is on to a finger bun. There was no thinking, no trying to change things, no trying to upset Richmond's plans. Like a crowbot Jacobs was programmed to do the same thing over and over and over. But so were many other ruckmen the 3-4 months leading up to the 2017 GF.

Grundy in the PF was obviously instructed, when Grigg rucks, smash the bloody ball forward, so that if he doesn't jump its not 3 onto 4 on the ground. He did it a dozen times and most times Collingwood took the ball away as the ball was moving forward towards their goal and they were set up for it. But more importantly he had a mind set so that if he out jumped Nankervis to also do it and not let those manic Richmond mids an easy attack on the collingwood mids.

It has been hard for me to watch and believe so many head coaches who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars and assistants a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year, plus all the video and football analysts clubs employ and they missed the bleeding obvious for well over 12 months and let Richmond get away with such a BS strategy. Well it was bleeding obvious to me anyway.
Very fair point and agree that for the most part Richmond have exploited the inability of ruckmen/mids/coaches to think outside the box. Perhaps this will be one impact of the seeming upcoming 6-6-6 rule change where such territory gaining tactics will be encouraged given it eliminates any free man off half back (not that it is all that common these days).
 
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