Prediction Positional Changes for 2022

[Hank Heavenly]

Why would Short be superior than Kmac and RHS?? Just because Short is superior than RHS and Kmac at half back in the current set-up does not mean he is superior than them on the wing

Who says Short is clearly superior to Kmac and RHS?? How do they go on one on ones?

I would suggest our reigning B&F winner who shows similar traits to those we play on a wing to be superior to a kid whos played 3 games and a bloke whos been in and out of the side for 2.5 years...

 

[Mr Magic]

I would suggest our reigning B&F winner who shows similar traits to those we play on a wing to be superior to a kid whos played 3 games and a bloke whos been in and out of the side for 2.5 years...

I would suggest the B&F winner is within the lens of their roles in any AFL club.

Other clubs in weaker leagues where there are more dominant players its a little different.

In fact if a player is best and fairest in a certain role does that highlights shifting him is counter intuitive and highly questionable.

He would have to be best and fairest on the wing to support it

 

[Hank Heavenly]

I would suggest the B&F winner is within the lens of their roles in any AFL club.

Other clubs where there are more dominant players its a little different

So B&F in a premiership team is limited to their role...

But other, non premiership winning teams with "more dominant" (but not dominant to win the flag) would mean something...

hahaha this gets funnier every sentence you write.

 

[Mr Magic]

So B&F in a premiership team is limited to their role...

But other, non premiership winning teams with "more dominant" (but not dominant to win the flag) would mean something...

hahaha this gets funnier every sentence you write.

what gets funny is you are demanding Short is best and fairest on the wing to support the role change in terms of validity and justification.

Alternatively the replacement for Short at half back has to be best and fairest in the role to warrant the move.

Here's another thing, if short is on the wing he is too far away to do the kicks outs from the back line so the team loses any advantage from that and his long kicking

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Chol - Defender.
Dustin Martin- Full forward
Riewoldt- Wing

 

[RunningBounce]

Against my better judgement, I'll share some of my views on wingers.

Many clubs don't use the wing as a unique position, with a unique role and requirements. They might as well call it "outside mid". Jack McRae and McLuggage are examples. They don't really have any advantage in their running capacity, or speed. They're very talented ball users that make a scoreboard impact.

Some clubs use the wing for their best runners - Brando or Brad Hill.

Richmond have been using hard players who don't lose a contest in open space (since Brando and Grigg). They're usually over 6 foot and decent above their heads, especially defensively. No value put on disposal efficiency - just hoof it long, son. Very Hafey. Very Bourke-Barrott-Clay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any other club currently uses the wings like we do.

So, I reckon who we play on the wings in 2022 comes down to what job match committee wants them to do. No way Short goes to the wing if we want aerial coverage (although he has improved that part of his game more than I thought he could). No way we leave KMac on the wing if we change the role to value kicking efficiency, especially i50.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Ralphsmith and Naish have a crack at it, and see what they can give us. Marlion to the guts. KMac to swing between the back 6 and the wing, depending on match ups.

 

[Monjike]

I have zero connection to Short, nor is he my "Favourite" by any stretch, so I am commenting as in independent just like you. Just because we disagree, doesn't mean I must be heavily invested somewhere compared to you.

My attitude is this. Better players should be on the wing. It should not be a position that is compromised unless your list is compromised.

This is why I think Short to a wing is a good move. He's a much better player, and ball user, and at worst an equal runner when comared to our existing wings over the last couple of years (Caddy, Kmac, Pickett, Naish, HRS).

And to be honest, I actually think his kicking this year, which is his weapon, has gone to waste, as he is getting the footy in bad positions (not his fault, but due to our poorer performance). So when he gets it, he's hemmed into the boundary line and doing sh*tty short kicks or bombing lone down the line to the oppo.

Ans as for saying our wingman are positioned too close for his long kicking, are you saying because he is closer, he won't be able to kick goals.... hahahaha... you realise the close you get, the easier it is right?

Travis Cloke says hello...

 

[Monjike]

what gets funny is you are demanding Short is best and fairest on the wing to support the role change in terms of validity and justification.

Alternatively the replacement for Short at half back has to be best and fairest in the role to warrant the move.

Here's another thing, if short is on the wing he is too far away to do the kicks outs from the back line so the team loses any advantage from that and his long kicking

...and he is too (ahem) short for a winger.

 

[juss]

Jayden Short

15

Jayden Short

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

13.3

5star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

430.8

5star

D

19.0

4star

K

14.1

5star

HB

4.9

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

0.8

1star

MG

447.1

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.4

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

185.2

3star

was recruited as a forward, and I'm pretty sure early in his career, he kicked 3 goals playing forward.

I wonder if that would ever be on the cards again?

 

[Rayzorwire]

I wouldn't write off the possibility of Short playing a genuine midfield role at some stage when we can afford to experiment with him.

A successful midfield unit has as much to do with having a blend of players who can get separation over a couple of steps from opponents (as Shai does so well) as it does the inside stuff and tackling. Short's great at this, reads the play well and quickly makes good position to receive. Then he has that capacity to deeply penetrate the F50 by foot.

I'm sure many will claim he lacks too much in the clearance and tackle aspects of the game to be successful there, but I'd point those people to the 2nd Saints game this year where he laid 6 tackles and had 4 clearances playing a bit closer to the contest. He's proven that he's no bunny at the contested stuff anymore.

 

[Morro]

I wouldn't write off the possibility of Short playing a genuine midfield role at some stage when we can afford to experiment with him.

A successful midfield unit has as much to do with having a blend of players who can get separation over a couple of steps from opponents (as Shai does so well) as it does the inside stuff and tackling. Short's great at this, reads the play well and quickly makes good position to receive. Then he has that capacity to deeply penetrate the F50 by foot.

I'm sure many will claim he lacks too much in the clearance and tackle aspects of the game to be successful there, but I'd point those people to the 2nd Saints game this year where he laid 6 tackles and had 4 clearances playing a bit closer to the contest. He's proven that he's no bunny at the contested stuff anymore.

Was drafted as a mid, I dont hate it at all.

 

[juss]

Was drafted as a mid, I dont hate it at all.

You know what I find interesting with Short, he spent his early VFL time with us developing as a small forward, then we made his debut where he kicked 3 goals as a small forward, but alas, never really persisted with him as a small forward.

 

[Morro]

You know what I find interesting with Short, he spent his early VFL time with us developing as a small forward, then we made his debut where he kicked 3 goals as a small forward, but alas, never really persisted with him as a small forward.

Its very Richmondy