Autopsy Positives and Negatives vs Cockburn

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FKASC

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Yeah I agree but both have had been catalysts in moments we wrestled back momentum. Sheed was instrumental in the come back against dog. Redden maybe getting towards the end but his form overall doesn't show that he totally out of it. Both Sheed and Redden showed in the 2018 finals that they had play lift with intensity. The thing is that if these two bring the intensity every week and actually dominate, it puts less pressure on the shoulders of Kelly and Gaff.


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I was looking at this game from 2019 when you replies. This was in Adelaide and we came from behind to win an important game. Since 2018 this has to be one if not the best/complete performance from our midfield

Sheed 31 touches, 11 clearances, 6 inside 50s and 22 contested possessions
Redden 27 touches, 15 tackles and 12 cp's
Gaff 33 touches and 9 marks
Shuey 33 touches, 10 tackles, 10 clearances, 6 inside 50's and 16 cp's
Yeo 27 touches 15 tackles, 9 clearances and 17 cp's

Literally that midfield end up getting the job done in the end.
It would be nice to get something closer to that consistently each week.
 

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I think langdon played ok .small forward isnt always a high possession spot and he got a goal or 2.
Ideally he'd be a handy back up but with willie,cameron and ryan out not sure what everyone here expects

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I think langdon played ok .small forward isnt always a high possession spot and he got a goal or 2.
Ideally he'd be a handy back up but with willie,cameron and ryan out not sure what everyone here expects

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Agreed, but he should be at least pumping up his tackle numbers if he's not regularly hitting the scoreboard. Upon a casual replay yesterday I spotted two times Cripps completely cocked up Legdon's work. Maybe it's down to chemistry or maybe Cripps is running a bit hot and could, but I'd be happy to persist with him temporarily and see if things improve.
 

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Most been said and agree that that was the closest thing to a 4 quarter effort we have seen this year. Slow start but got going and kept the pressure up.
OAllen - is there anywhere he cannot play? But prefer him forward.
Rotham - liking him more and more.

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The gap between our best players (as good as any in the comp) and our bottom 6 is probably greater than any other club.
Small forwards.
Langdon, at 26, should be better. Not sure what we saw in him, but he's offering nothing right now.

Cripps. It was noteworthy in Q3 when he made a pickup and didn't fumble. Has slowed, usually fumbles, doesn't tackle as often as he used to (and when he does it doesn't stick) and is very selfish, regularly burning guys in better positions.
Petruccelle - boom or bust. Two brilliant games, a lot of meh. Want him to put it together consistently. He clearly can do it.
I'm hoping our small forwards moving forwards are Ryan, Rioli and Winder with Cameron or Petrucelle being the start on the interchange guy.
Midfield
we know the problems. Still showed a lack of pace and thankfully Freo exerted even less pressure than we did.
Vardy did a few taps to advantage and kicked a goal. But it's still nowhere near enough to deserve a spot in the 22. We are playing a man down and every time we come up against a good team it kills us.

Can we beat Hawthorn? At home it would be a pretty confident yes. Away?...
Not sure about that. The bottom 6 of our best 22 aren’t bad. Now the players 22-28 on our list are an issue, but that the case with most teams.

slot Yeo, Shuey, hurn,barrass, mgvoern, Ryan and fingers crossed Rioli into that team that means 7 players drop out and our “worst” players on field are actually pretty good.
 

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Any win is a great win considering the circumstances in relation to the number of first-choice players that are missing, but to respond like this after the debacle in Geelong is without question very encouraging.

However, it must be said that this was a really odd match. For long periods it felt more like a preseason warm-up than an actual match for premiership points.

I must admit that I did not anticipate this result. Perhaps I underestimated the ability of our depth whilst overestimating the capability of Fremantle.


I had expected Kelly and Gaff to be tagged, with Fyfe and Mundy using their size to batter Sheed and Redden around the stoppages, providing Fremantle with first use of the ball time and time again.

As we know, none of that happened. Whether by instruction or incompetence, Fremantle provided zero defensive accountability throughout the game. The pressure they applied was non-existent, they stood off rather than ran with their West Coast counterparts and left the front of the stoppage open for exploitation by the Eagles all match. Frankly, from all appearances it is questionable the intent of the desire of Fremantle to win this match at all.

That is not to take away from a great performance by West Coast, but the Dockers facing an opponent that was seriously wounded coming in, seemingly did everything they could to play to the strength of that wounded opposition. I have been an advocate of Longmuir as their coach, but his efforts concerning this match were appalling and arguably self-destructive in their outcome.


Given freedom to attack the ball without opposition attention, Kelly did exactly what he was traded in to do. Similarly, Gaff was given space to roam and accumulate at will whilst Sheed and Redden escaped any significant pressure around stoppages. Just four players (Kelly, Sheed, Redden and Naitanui) combined for 34 clearances between them.

Without any defensive pressure, this became a game of circle-work execution, which suits this Eagles' team perfectly. West Coast players got their hands on the ball first and Fremantle turned it over when they did get possession - the result was a one-sided blowout.

Logue standing 10 metres behind all match made Kennedy look like he had turned the clock back ten years whilst Cox was turned into a caravan chasing after Darling without any success. Between them the two pillars up forward had 7 goals and 18 score involvements, capitalising upon some very poor defensive efforts by the opposition.

With the midfield on top and the ball positioned within the front half for long periods, it allowed greater impact from non-key forwards - Jones, Cripps and Langdon combined for 56 disposals, 23 contested possessions and 6 goals.

A makeshift defence missing McGovern, Barrass and Hurn with five players aged 23 or under conceded just two goals during the second half. The question was asked and they each individually and collectively stood-up when needed. Rotham continues to grow into his role with each match that he plays (still has only played 21 matches - a lot of development yet to come) and H.Edwards carpeted a far more experienced Lobb in just his second taste at senior level.

Allen displayed again that he is the best young key position player in the competition. Played outside of his customary forward position due to the injury crisis down back, he was a defensive rock and his move onto Taberner during the second half is arguably the tactical change that decisively shifted the outcome of the match. After kicking 3 goals and looking ominous in the first half, Taberner was crushed by Allen, gaining a solitary possession in the second half - whilst Allen had 6 disposals and 4 score involvements himself during that period. It's easy to forget that Allen has only just turned 22 and is still yet to play 50 games - he is such a special talent.

Waterman played the role of third tall forward perfectly once again, taking 8 marks and hitting the scoreboard with 3 goals. As always, the headache will be in future in finding a way to extract the best from him when the three of Darling, Kennedy and Allen are positioned up forward.

The emergence of Brander continues to be the highlight of this season so far. His potential to impact at AFL level was undeniable, however for various reasons that potential had failed to be realised in previous years. Now it appears he has carved a place in the team and is starting to gain the confidence that he belongs at top level. He has talent in buckets - I still strongly believe that we are only scratching at the surface of what he is capable of. His ability to rapidly assess situations and make the correct decision with disposal is going to become more and more of a weapon as he develops.


As described at the start of this, any win with this many outs is a great win. But it must be said this match was little more than AFLX played on an oval.

The opposition were lamentable and West Coast put them away. Well done, 4 more points towards the end of the season.


It must be expected that no other opponent this season will roll over so easily as Fremantle did in this match.
i was noticing the same thing in the match - no pressure applied to us is really a bad mistake by Freo. High pressure teams are the ones that trouble us the most.
Does the dimensions of GBABCWQXRS stadium (Kardinia Park for non-commercial footy watchers) mean that there is never any space for the players? I know we always struggle when we play at grounds like in Tassy, its just a by blow of having a taller team focusing on keeping the ball in the air. i was really pleased to see a number of younger players take great contested grabs on Sunday, Edwards, Brander, Rotham etc... as well as the usual lot.
Agree with your assessment on Freo - almost like their coach wanted to test the ability of his players against WC in a shoot-out and when it started to get away, he didnt have a plan B.
 

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+ Jones - keeps putting himself in the action which is the opposite of Petrecelle and Langdon.
+ Brander's 2nd half - worry is that when he has shown something has been when we are on top, when we're down he's invisible
+ Dothan - rock solid
++ - Kelly, Gaff, Ended, Darling, Redden, Allen, Kennedy, Naitanui - did what they had to do

- Edwards - towelled up by Taberner, looked better after moved to Lobb, but Lobb was doing nothing anyway. Still a !omg way off it
- Langdon - contributes zero and hasn't kicked a goal in six outings. If he was playing a defensive role that might be acceptable
- Petrecelle - all or nothing player, two unbelievable games in his career, virtually unsighted in every other match.
- Vardy - the sooner Bailey Williams is ready the better
Are you drunk?

- Edwards - towelled up by Taberner, looked better after moved to Lobb, but Lobb was doing nothing anyway. Still a !omg way off it
it was his second game of AFL and he probably doesnt even remember his first one! He played well and having 3 goals kicked against him will help him

- Langdon - contributes zero and hasn't kicked a goal in six outings. If he was playing a defensive role that might be acceptable
he frikn kicked 2 goals!!!
 

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Agreed, but he should be at least pumping up his tackle numbers if he's not regularly hitting the scoreboard. Upon a casual replay yesterday I spotted two times Cripps completely cocked up Legdon's work. Maybe it's down to chemistry or maybe Cripps is running a bit hot and could, but I'd be happy to persist with him temporarily and see if things improve.
He's not as bad as many make out and seems to be improving each game, but I'd have him out in a shot for someone like Cameron. There's nothing flashy about him but he's serviceable as a stop gap/depth...
Interesting comment Simmo made about giving Jones more freedom to play his natural style and not rigidly stick to team structure - and the difference was black and white!
Maybe many newbies are in this situation, hampered by juggling team chemistry, keeping structure, tactics and trying to play their natural style.
You can see that natural style with players like Witherden, Petro, Cameron and now Jones, but not much with Langdon, blue collar so far...
 
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Talk on the Dockers board of needing a "line in the sand game".

Hypocrisy aside, which of Snow White (Fyfe the rough tough man bun, mascara wearing, pusher in the back) and the seven dwarfs of Colyer, Crowden, Schultz, Serong, Conca, wilson and Walters are going to intimidate NN, let alone Kennedy, Barrass, McGovern, Yeo, Shuey, Hurn, Darling, Nelson, Redden, Vardy etc.

For F### sake, even their President is a midget.

Maybe for real entertainment, Darcy could take on NN in a burger eating contest?

And Lobb, Taberner, Cox could, well........................ :).

(P.S. these are genuine views as they had a real opportunity to put us to the sword and they squibbed it. Must really hurt when they reminisce about the Carr brothers, Crowley, Cook etc).
 
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Talk on the Dockers board of needing a "line in the sand game".

Hypocrisy aside, which of Snow White (Fyfe the rough tough man bun, mascara wearing, pusher in the back) and the seven dwarfs of Colyer, Crowden, Schultz, Serong, Conca, wilson and Walters are going to intimidate NN, let alone Kennedy, Barrass, McGovern, Yeo, Shuey, Hurn, Darling, Nelson, Redden, Vardy etc.

For F### sake, even their President is a midget.

Maybe for real entertainment, Darcy could take on NN in a burger eating contest?

And Lobb, Taberner, Cox could, well........................ :).
Pffft we dont even lose to freo in that

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Of course they trot out the indigenous person to explain away their hate speech.

But yeah. Club’s addressed it. Bury that. Storm in a teacup, leave it be I reckon.
Reporters take: "So if an indigenous person looks at the hand gesture they get punched...I hear you loud and clear Mr Kelly"
 

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You do have to appreciate the humour in a club that made a big pearl clutching song and dance about the Gaff and Brayshaw incident (not diminishing the seriousness of it) also actively advocating for further derby violence.
I don't understand the context, but they've given one of their players the name of spleen destroyer or something. So odd to celebrate something like that and yet struggle to let go of NN hurting Sandi in a marking contest. But then want Oz Allen suspended for smothering.

The mental gymnastics are exhausting.

They even bang on about NN looking fat, with cute nicknames, despite Sean Darcy looking like he ate Shane Mumford.
 

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Jack Darling needs to be a bit more selfish tbh. Theres been a few times he’s lost it trying to do the selfless thing.
Yeah, that’s why he drops those easy chest marks in the goalsquare. Too unselfish trying to let someone else take the glory
 

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