Review Positives Negatives Changes For Next Week

[Bazzar]

Nothing more true said. RT has a fixation love affair with Graham. Browne is doing well for a 20 yr old ruckman. I said the same thing last week, Graham needs to earn back his spot like Browne had to.

And you dont have a fixation and love affair with Browne?

Dont forget for the second time in as many games Browns poor skill level in the goal square cost us a crucial goals. The first against Port when comically he couldnt take it in the square and redeemed himself temporarily by getting a fingertip and forcing a rushed behind only for the kick-in to come straight back for a goal, and yesterday his handball to a non existent player next to Newy that also went rushed only to be rebounded from the kick in for a Swans goal.

 

[_RT_]

Nothing more true said. RT has a fixation love affair with Graham. Browne is doing well for a 20 yr old ruckman. I said the same thing last week, Graham needs to earn back his spot like Browne had to.

Perhaps you should head over to the Coburg report and read my review of Grahams performance on the weekend if you think I have a love affair with him.

Unlike a lot of people here I don't play favourites with players. I go by a simple rule if someone is in the 22 and are performing at AFL level then they keep their spot over someone in the VFL who is also performing. The only time I'll call for a change is when its clear that they aren't performing.

I said time and again that if Browne was to be selected ahead of Graham he needed to perform at a much better level than Graham was. In the last couple of games before Graham was finally dropped it was clear that Browne was going better and got selected, although I would have preferred to see Gus make it through to the bye and then have the change made.

Now that Browne is in I've got no problem with him having a good crack at it.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Saw on the Coburg thread that Tuck seemed slow.

The poor guy has been tossed back and forth like a bloody rag doll.

Footballers are humans not robots, imagine how he feels.

This is a guy who stood up for the club during some of our darkest moments and did himself and the club proud. Now he is just a scape goat for spuds such as Hislop who get a gig because they are young and maybe apart of our next premiership.

Take ya head outta ya butt Dimma and let Tuck play out the rest of the season. Drop him only if he consistently under performs. He might be the difference between finals and Ninthmondsville...

Nice return to the days of Terry Wallace with thinking like this.

Shouldn't matter if you are up and down between the 1's and the 2's as senior player you should still be able to perform. I remember Andy Krakour and Joel Bowden occassionally going back and having field days. This is what Tuck should be doing.

 

[Matty Knights]

Nice return to the days of Terry Wallace with thinking like this.

Shouldn't matter if you are up and down between the 1's and the 2's as senior player you should still be able to perform. I remember Andy Krakour and Joel Bowden occassionally going back and having field days. This is what Tuck should be doing.

So you think he deserved to be dropped?

 

[Punt Road Feral]

Browne may well have a good future at the club but until he gets a bigger tank and can keep up with his player around the ground Gus should be in.

 

[Wallaby]

Browne may well have a good future at the club but until he gets a bigger tank and can keep up with his player around the ground Gus should be in.

I don't think having a bigger tank will improve his pace.

The hope for Browne is that he is a huge body - hopefully he may turn into a Warnock or J. Madden - useless around the ground, but gets his hand on the ball at most contests so our mids know where it's going. Remember Terry Wallace pronounced him our 'Number One Ruck' more than 2 years ago - obviously there's some potential there, but it's not showing right now.

He technically 'won' plenty of taps on Sunday, but he did nothing with them because Seaby just pushed him around. He can do well at VFL level, because the rucks there are smaller. For all of his supposed good work against the Bombers we got slaughtered in the clearances, and they didn't have Watson or Hocking.

At the moment, Graham offers far more because of his around the ground work as well as his follow up work at bounces. I agree he is unlikely to reach AFL elite status, but right now he is far better than Browne.

Give Browne 2 more years in the gym and then make a decision on him. If we play him in the seniors we are reducing our chances of winning a game.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I don't think having a bigger tank will improve his pace.

The hope for Browne is that he is a huge body - hopefully he may turn into a Warnock or J. Madden - useless around the ground, but gets his hand on the ball at most contests so our mids know where it's going. Remember Terry Wallace pronounced him our 'Number One Ruck' more than 2 years ago - obviously there's some potential there, but it's not showing right now.

He technically 'won' plenty of taps on Sunday, but he did nothing with them because Seaby just pushed him around. He can do well at VFL level, because the rucks there are smaller. For all of his supposed good work against the Bombers we got slaughtered in the clearances, and they didn't have Watson or Hocking.

At the moment, Graham offers far more because of his around the ground work as well as his follow up work at bounces. I agree he is unlikely to reach AFL elite status, but right now he is far better than Browne.

Give Browne 2 more years in the gym and then make a decision on him. If we play him in the seniors we are reducing our chances of winning a game.

Good assessment Wallaby.

 

[Bazzar]

Tiges should get Browne of to Tai Chi, Yoga and Ballet classes (like Hirdy did) to get some form of coordination into him.

 

[Punt Road Feral]

I don't think having a bigger tank will improve his pace.

The hope for Browne is that he is a huge body - hopefully he may turn into a Warnock or J. Madden - useless around the ground, but gets his hand on the ball at most contests so our mids know where it's going. Remember Terry Wallace pronounced him our 'Number One Ruck' more than 2 years ago - obviously there's some potential there, but it's not showing right now.

He technically 'won' plenty of taps on Sunday, but he did nothing with them because Seaby just pushed him around. He can do well at VFL level, because the rucks there are smaller. For all of his supposed good work against the Bombers we got slaughtered in the clearances, and they didn't have Watson or Hocking.

At the moment, Graham offers far more because of his around the ground work as well as his follow up work at bounces. I agree he is unlikely to reach AFL elite status, but right now he is far better than Browne.

Give Browne 2 more years in the gym and then make a decision on him. If we play him in the seniors we are reducing our chances of winning a game.

Agree and the new substitute rule really hurts players that are like Browne. It's going to be hard for him to play in the team long term if all he can do is be a good tap ruckman. If he can add a few strings to his bow he will be a long term contributer for us.

 

[Ralll]

Positives:
Martin's brilliance in traffic

Negatives:
got blown away early.(luckily they couldnt kick straight)
Clearences and contested posessions...again
Delivery into our forward line
our backline (they have excuses this week though)
Our inability to play small grounds well

Changes:
Astbury Miller Batchelor Grigg
Gourdis Post Tuck McGuane

 

[Tigerrific]

Negatives -

1. We lost
2. Our first quarters are terrible, why do we play so much better in the 2nd half?
3. We were lucky Sydney was inaccurate

Positives -

1. Farmer played his best game for the club. Let's hope he can continue playing like that.
2. The players fought it out until the end.
3. We continue to improve.

Changes for next week -

In: Graham, Gourdis/McGuane (if fit), Tuck
Out: Astbury, Browne, Hislop

Browne tries hard but he is not ready yet. When a hack like Seaby looks so good, it shows that Graham would be a better option at this stage.
Hislop has never shown anything to indicate that he is up to AFL level. If we had Tuck in the side instead Hislop we could have won the game.

 

[aislegi]

People are just angry after a win and looking for scapegoats.

Cripes, what do they do after a loss?

 

[santa claws]

Perhaps you should head over to the Coburg report and read my review of Grahams performance on the weekend if you think I have a love affair with him.

Unlike a lot of people here I don't play favourites with players. I go by a simple rule if someone is in the 22 and are performing at AFL level then they keep their spot over someone in the VFL who is also performing. The only time I'll call for a change is when its clear that they aren't performing.

I said time and again that if Browne was to be selected ahead of Graham he needed to perform at a much better level than Graham was. In the last couple of games before Graham was finally dropped it was clear that Browne was going better and got selected, although I would have preferred to see Gus make it through to the bye and then have the change made.

Now that Browne is in I've got no problem with him having a good crack at it.

sheesh if you actually applied that rule we would make 10 changes every week.
anyway clearly this has not been the case as far as the club goes.

out of form players kept and out of form players promoted.

i think your rule doesnt apply so much this yr or last. to me its more about getting games into younger players and at some stage making a call on older players who dont have a future.

like you i think browne at least deserves a block of games 4 or 5 at least and if he can produce some form more. if he continues to struggle back to coburg for a short stint then back in again.

 

[santa claws]

Let's not kid ourselves.

We were blown away everywhere but the scoreboard and we can thank the swans for it.

oh no this is just too honest and accurate. some may have to take the blinkers off.

 

[santa claws]

Fought the game out wich was good but shit we need a ruckman and its now time to forget about miller he is not the answer bring in post and griff .

we cant do that we are no longer in development and they have done nothing that is nothing at coburg.
well that seems to be the attitude i percieve from some around here.
i wonder did post and griffiths earn a game last yr. did they do anything consistently at coburg to warrant selection. yet we gave them games i wonder why that is.

 

[santa claws]

Funny how people are bagging and sinking the boots into the kid Browne so much after 7 or so games. Do you honestly think Graham wouldn't have been slaughtered in the ruck as well? Delusional. Apparently he was deplorable at Coburg anyways, at least Browne worked hard and was BOG at Coburg a few times in a row to get a game.

Browne is 20, Graham is 24. One has hope however slight, the other is a no hoper. 29 hitouts, 13 touches, 3 marks and a goal. Not bad (Graham defence). If this is a development year and results don't matter then there's no point to drop Browne right now unless he's injured or needs a rest, especially not for Graham. People bag Graham, Browne comes in they bag him. Repeat process. Be honest with yourself, he would've made little difference. Especially given his main weakness is his non-competitiveness in the ruck.

ah got it in a nut shell barnzy.

 

[santa claws]

Considering he apparently got towelled up by Wayde Skipper in the VFL, yes. Graham wouldn't have been able to negate Seaby up forward, neither could Browne. That's normally left to a tall defender but we were obviously down on numbers in that area today. Graham is pretty non-competitive in the ruck so not sure he'd stop Seaby there either. Jumps early and focuses on the opposition ruckman instead of the ball hence why he was dropped.

How people quickly forget and look for scapegoats in a loss. Guarantee same thing would be said of Graham if he played today. Bottom line is the ruck is an area of weakness and needs to be looked at. If this is a development year then take the pain and stick with Browne for now.

Browne at 20 with 8 games experience is averaging - 12.3 disposals, 3.3 marks, 3.3 tackles and 26 hitouts. Graham at 24 with 41 games experience - 11.6 disposals, 3.8 marks, 5.1 tackles, 25.4 hitouts. Interesting. So little difference. By the way, this isn't me trying to purposley stick up for Browne saying I rate him highly or not, it's me replying to those who think Graham is suddenly going to be a massive improvement and going to come in and solve everything. Also, who knows where Browne will be in 3-4 years. His improvement since we first saw him is quite large but people expect miracles obviously.

geez well said again. clearly you are dealing with people who have forgotten we are in very early development or have no idea at all about what development is and what it entails.

 

[santa claws]

Positives-

2010 - Transition.

2011 - Development.

Forget all the predictable and usual negative naysayers here that have to tell us week in week out the fact their are half dozen at the bottom of our best 22 who are making up the numbers (something all of us are fully aware of, but they somehow think they have some superior knowledge by constantly reminding us) fact is Hardwick is moulding the best unit we have had in a generation.

2012 and beyond will be such an exciting time to be a Tiger. [edit- it already is ]

not with the current list as stated so often we will turn over at least 20 more in a short space of time. we arent talking bottom 6 here. we need midfield quality still we need a fb chb chf and two ruckmen just for starters.
wallace failed because he had far too many glass half fulls and hardwick atm has to work with too many glass half fulls as well.

blokes like graham king white jackson tuck nahas edwards connors morton hislop rance mcguane thursfield and i can go on are not kids in the footy sense and yet they are glass half fulls.
you dont need superior knowledge to judge these players you just need to watch em their weaknesses hit you in the face.

 

[santa claws]

just while we are on browne and ruckmen. here ferals are ripping into browne but the ruckman in waiting one tv who gets an armchair ride playing in the forward line does exactly what in the ruck. hes part of a ruck team and escapes scrutiny altogether.

 

[MightyTiger]

we cant do that we are no longer in development and they have done nothing that is nothing at coburg.
well that seems to be the attitude i percieve from some around here.
i wonder did post and griffiths earn a game last yr. did they do anything consistently at coburg to warrant selection. yet we gave them games i wonder why that is.

Maybe because we had no one else who put pressure on them and could take there spot at CHF, yes we did have Polak but he was the very last option we had.

Maybe if there were some competition for spots Post wouldn't be the lazy footballer he is today, or maybe if there was someone else Griffiths wouldn't have had to be rushed into the side only to then injure his shoulder and end his season with a shoulder reco.

Of all people SC you should know better, the club had to keep Polak and Simmonds even though they knew there time was up as AFL footballers because they needed senior experience bodies to take the pressure off the kids.

You of all people should know that gifting games to kids only creates bad habits, players such as Gourdis and Post need to earn the right to play in the seniors, just because they are young and have 1 good game in the VFL every 3rd game doesn't mean they deserve a call up, the club is trying to get some consistency, bringing in kids who cant show any form of consistency in the lower levels doesn't help that cause.

And, as far as I'm concerned the only player who deserves a call up into the seniors at the moment is Webberley, the guy has been named in the best at Coburg for the majority of the year, but as it is the position he plays is already covered and is being covered quite well.

 

[MightyTiger]

Also, Tugga or any Mod can you please warn santa claws about constantly using the word 'ferals' when referring to us supporters, it is really starting to piss me off.

 

[MightyTiger]

not with the current list as stated so often we will turn over at least 20 more in a short space of time. we arent talking bottom 6 here. we need midfield quality still we need a fb chb chf and two ruckmen just for starters.
wallace failed because he had far too many glass half fulls and hardwick atm has to work with too many glass half fulls as well.

blokes like graham king white jackson tuck nahas edwards connors morton hislop rance mcguane thursfield and i can go on are not kids in the footy sense and yet they are glass half fulls.
you dont need superior knowledge to judge these players you just need to watch em their weaknesses hit you in the face.

Yes we are, you are naming fringe players who can be replaced by other fringe players.

Jackson and Rance will not be going anywhere for at least another 5 years, Rance has improved immensely over the past year and has been holding down FB without much support from others.

And Dimma thinks Jackson is Elite so he will finish his career at Richmond retiring at the age of 32 with 2 Premiership medallions.

Once again SC, you are simply ranting just for the sake of it, turning over a list is simply the natural cycle of a Football club, anywhere from 5-8 players a year at any given club will be turned over.

Does it make you feel special when you constantly repeat yourself?

By the way nice of you to only pop in when the team is losing and not show yourself when they are winning, classy.

 

[CoggaRules]

LMAO...ahhh you gotta laugh at the tigerheads..here we are debating on who is a better option in Browne and Gus. Its like having tow piles of crap and working out which one to pick. All in know is that for whatever reason Browne atm is being given the nod. I expect that reason to fade into the sunset soon.
Next please...so its Derrickx or the trade table for us. The end.

 

[CoggaRules]

Also, Tugga or any Mod can you please warn santa claws about constantly using the word 'ferals' when referring to us supporters, it is really starting to piss me off.

And while you are at it tugg, could you please warn people that when talking about our ruck stocks, the name is Grigg not Griggs. Its really pissing people off more.

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

And while you are at it tugg, could you please warn people that when talking about our ruck stocks, the name is Grigg not Griggs. Its really pissing people off more.

hows about giving a ruck quarter each to Viks, Griggers, Post, Tuck?
2 if any of them are halfway decent.

Browne and Gus can do some distance running and jumping