Positives & Negatives - Paddle-pop-Lion-licking, round 4

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Schoey is playing as a lock-down defender - a role that he definitely wasn't playing two-three seasons ago. A couple of his efforts this year have been stellar.

As much as I miss his gallops through the middle, he's holding down a very tough gig in trying circumstances right now. He gets two enthusiastic thumbs up from me.
He will be better for it and I think will perform once MacKenzie and Brown are back in. Next year's backline of MacKenzie, Brown, Schofield, Hurn, Sheppard and Wellingham/Bennell/Butler/Ellis. Stoked.

Positives:
McGovern (Most natural footballer on our team. Reads the play better than any other player we have)
Duggan (Looked great in the limited amount of game time he had. Expect him to play a full game next week if Shuey is out, and Colledge or Waterman in as the sub?)
McInnes (Great debut. Marked and contested well. Played surprisingly well up the ground similarly to Kennedy. Has locked himself in for next week)
Hill (Earned his spot for the 2nd week in a row. His pressure acts and work rate were very good. Deserved the 3 goals. Hoping he can continue as he has always struggled with consistency)
Butler (Put his hand up for BOG. His rebound from the back 50 was damaging and his kicking was precise. Best game I have seen him play in a long time and he proved why Simpson has faith in him over Bennell. Hoping he can continue this form against real opposition)
Priddis (Less reliance on him this week as he played a support role. As soon as he had the ball he was looking for the handball to a teammate, rather than using his poor disposal. Due to this he picked up some easy outside possessions that sprung us into attack. Didn't look as slow as normal :drunk:)

Negatives:
Masten (Don't really need to ellaborate)
Shuey (Injury :cry:)
Gaff (Some of his disposal was horrid and he struggled when under pressure)
Lycett (Racked up the possessions but made very poor decisions, which costs us dearly)
Schofield (Really struggled this week)
 

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[QUOTE="wce4premiership, post: 38189048, member: 21845

- Masten: Did see some good tackles but his disposal has gone backwards, he's the biggest offender of panic handballs but I'd keep him in the side.[/QUOTE]

Liked your post apart from the above. Serious question, why would you keep Masten in the side?

Last week should have marked his card, was intimidated and actively sought to avoid contact by literally throwing the ball away before those big scary dockers molested him.

For those on here complaining about us being flat track bullies, look no further than Masten!
 
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Positives:
We won, and by a fair margin. The final score did not flatter us in any way; really, we should have won by more considering the shots on goal we had.
McInnes played a good game first up. If he keeps that up at chf, we may have the luxury of allowing darling a game or two in the wafl to get fitness.
McGovern. Just keeps on keeping on. Didn't seem too troubled by his knee, don't even think it was strapped?
Would be AA if sides were named today. Hell, if rance could be AA after missing half the year with injury, McGovern could almost be there. :p
Yeo in the middle. Sides with more talls will probably mean we have to play him back, but I like his run in the middle.
Butlers game was very good. Liked his composure, good kicking, and so deserved his 2 goals at the end.
I liked hills game. Thought he finished well, provides us with a marking target & crumbs well.
I really have high hopes for our young guys. Loved nelsons defending (plus his 1st goal) sheeds work in the middle, McInnes 1st game, Duggan's quarter showed he has a bright future. That pass to Kennedy was just silk...


Negatives:
Missing handballs. I know it was windy, so could excuse a poor kick or two, but not handballs missing from 2-3m away.
NN's contested marking is a concern, his dropped mark almost cost us a goal in the last min of the 2nd. I'm not too critical of him though, it won't be too far away & he will be clunking them.
What on earth is happening at Brisbane? A midfield of beams, rich, Zorko, Christensen should not have been beaten by us in the middle.
Injury to shuey/cripps. Hope it isn't too bad.
 

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Positive:

Yeo playing midfield - we won't improve with him stuck in the backline.
McInness first game was a good one.
Duggan is looking better every time he plays
Hill showed why he should play ahead of McGinnity.
Cripps team efforts / tackling was encouraging. Needs to keep doing more team first things.
Le cras run down and tackle in the goal square.
Butler showing why he is still rated internally at the club

Negatives:

I was late back from fishing and missed the first half.:(
I didn't catch any fish big enough to bring home.
It was the Lions and they are crap and made us look better than we really are.
 

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Is that tongue in cheek? He's a 2nd year inside mid, playing his 15th(?) game averaging close to 20 pos this year
i was probably a bit vague. i meant he needs more time on the park (not in a vest), and in the middle.
gaff-sheed-rosa across the centre line looks about right to me.
 

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I think people are glossing over Hill's game too much. I understand we see it sporadically but jesus his intensity was awesome today. His tackling was what you'd expect from an A grader. His creation of space was sublime and you just had confidence when he was around it.

Also Gov. See my thread campaigners.
 

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Just on sheed, when he has space his delivery is very good.
In congestion he is also pretty slick and good by hand but I'm not loving his kicking around the corner in pressure situations, it's very priddis reminiscent and leads to turnovers. I sure hope we can iron that out of him game, cause I like a lot of what I see. Also still needs to build his tank he was really blowing in the 2nd half and struggling to run both ways. All in all he is tracking nicely tho.

Negative - bit of a trash game
Masten is just so meh.

Positives
Duggan
Yeo in the middle
although we had the same guys in the team more or less it looked like we were changing things up in the midfield and in. positive way.
Seemed like the game plan was less proddis centric.
 

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[QUOTE="wce4premiership, post: 38189048, member: 21845

- Masten: Did see some good tackles but his disposal has gone backwards, he's the biggest offender of panic handballs but I'd keep him in the side.
Liked your post apart from the above. Serious question, why would you keep Masten in the side?

Last week should have marked his card, was intimidated and actively sought to avoid contact by literally throwing the ball away before those big scary dockers molested him.

For those on here complaining about us being flat track bullies, look no further than Masten![/QUOTE]
I can't really see much from the WAFL actually pushing him out at this level. He is capable of much more. Making him the sub would be a good kick up the bum but it is a waste of his major strength which is his running, he does cover for other people and I'd rate his kicking as just above average, today however he kicked poorly. I couldn't actually figure out his role today though I found it hard to judge him, I was seeing Gaff, Yeo and Sheed more through the middle, come to think of it I don't even know where Masten got his touches, all I remember thinking was that I was him covering space well defensively and making some strong tackles.

Last week he was horrible but I think our whole midfield was.
 

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First goals + a couple goals to players that rarely get them which was very nice to see.
Excellent Debut from Mcinnes, He's a bit lynch like but he's a more accurate kick and we actually could do with a lynch replacement.
This will be my last week as listing gov as a + its just standard now.
Butler turning back the clock
Sheeds First half was his best at AFL level
Cripps and Hill > Have absolutely loved these two this year, Cripps especially has improved a bunch, but both have class and are good finishers as well as pace and are putting on good pressure. Gutsy to play on from cripps today.
Duggan was absolutely outstanding, he's not being gifted games by getting a full game he's just best 18 (ahead of masten and sheppard for a start).
Actually thought wellers had a pretty good game and i have never been a big fan.
Yeo in midfield makes a huge difference.

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Overall we actually weren't great and most good teams would have punished us today.
Our midfield is still just so average. Our strong/damaging players don't get enough of it (shuey, Yeo) and our accumulators are all low impact/bad disposers who lack pace (priddis, Rosa, Gaff) You can only afford to have one or two of these types in a midfield and whilst individually they are all decent players as a collective they don't work.
Sheppard, consistently misses tackles, falls over or makes little disposal errors. He almost inevitably costs us a goal a game. Sometimes he does some good things but i would have hoped by his age and experience level he would have got his shit together, and developed his frame more.
Nelsons worst game and tbh he probably deserves to be dropped atm on performance but i don't care blood the kids.
Shuey up there with gov (now mackenzie + brown are gone), kennedy + NN as our most important player. Can't lose him for long.
Masten, just annoys me, consistently mediocre atm, weak in contests.
 

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Positives:

Yeo getting through the guts etc - I can't help but feel Simpsons plans for team improvement are coming into action now the coaching staff have had time to digest the injuries to Emac and Brown, take a look at some options and rejig the approach.

Duggan keeping his chin up about the vestings and showing his class and having an impact. Full game next week please!

Gov! I was shitting my pants about his inclusion and he dominated while looking like he was on cruise control.

McInnes looked up to the level

Hurn finally got some touches! 6 I50 :)

Rosa looks to be running up some form. Butchered it a bit but definitely improving week to week.


Negatives:

Brisbane are in trouble and any positives we take may be a "false dawn" of sorts

Shuey's injury. We're not good enough to have him out :(
 

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Positives:
Yeo's drive through the middle is exactly what we lack. He explodes into space, something we haven't seen since the midfield of Judd, Cousins and Kerr
McGovern is just so composed, such a fantastic player
McInnes on debut was superb, his game seems to translate well to AFL
Butler was good today, hope he keeps that form up
Sheed's first half was very good, I admit, I wasn't seeing what everyone else was in him, but today he showed it, has a nice leg
Duggan showed intent and class as soon as he came on, so excited about him
Naita had another good day in the ruck and even managed a couple of marks today

Negatives:
Masten is such a rubbish cheap stat getter. I don't even believe his link up run provides anything.
We had a lot of players doing the bare minimum today, against good sides we'll get shown up terribly
Lycett has escaped a little bit of attention. But he hasn't started the year well at all. I like that he wants to take the game on, but he seems to overrate his own ability, his ground level kicking is often poor and today he costed us some nice opportunities
 

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Positives:
Yeo's drive through the middle is exactly what we lack. He explodes into space, something we haven't seen since the midfield of Judd, Cousins and Kerr
McGovern is just so composed, such a fantastic player
McInnes on debut was superb, his game seems to translate well to AFL
Butler was good today, hope he keeps that form up
Sheed's first half was very good, I admit, I wasn't seeing what everyone else was in him, but today he showed it, has a nice leg
Duggan showed intent and class as soon as he came on, so excited about him
Naita had another good day in the ruck and even managed a couple of marks today

Negatives:
Masten is such a rubbish cheap stat getter. I don't even believe his link up run provides anything.
We had a lot of players doing the bare minimum today, against good sides we'll get shown up terribly
Lycett has escaped a little bit of attention. But he hasn't started the year well at all. I like that he wants to take the game on, but he seems to overrate his own ability, his ground level kicking is often poor and today he costed us some nice opportunities
Positives in a nut shell:
1. Match committee finally realise what all of us already knew...ie. we needs people like Yeo in the midfield and McInnes to be blooded at least.
2. Ms Govern already recognized as a gun..how do the dolts feel now who excluded him for at least a season too long. Hopefully McInnes will be a similar story.
3. Finally someone realizes Butler can be a good midfielder due to football smarts.
4. Although Priddis is still a liability they played him closer to the rucks to do the hard slog rather than the "go to man". Much better game from him in this role.

Negatives
1 Shit disposal
2. No structure
3. Depending on luck or mistakes from the opposition rather than creative play. Any other side would have thrashed us today.
4. Hopefully the penny has finally dropped and the match committee see the need for change.
 

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Positives.
Really good signs from our kids. Right now they are playing better than some of the old farts. Mcinnes taking marks, Duggan skillset, Sheed in the first half. Nelson. McGovern!!!! Yeo!!
These kids are our future and seeing them do well is awesome.

Negatives.
We really are poor across the team. If it wasn't Brisbane, well we know what would have happened just look to last week. I know we won by a huge margin but most of the game the same old tired midfielders just spudded it up possession after possession.
 

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Positives: -Our kids are looking great. I can't wait to see McLovin' after 100 games if this is what he's put out in less than 20. Loved seeing Duggan go in and get the ball, lay a few tackles and engage in a bit of niggle and his disposal is classy. Might be time to try him for a full game.
-Away win.
-Butler, Rosa, Hurn, Gaff, Cripps, Yeo (although he was a bit fumbly). Yeo could be our Fyfe-type of player. Would love to see Gaff get in the gym over the summer and transform himself in a Stephen Hill/Nat Fyfe fashion.
-McInnes. Excellent debut. Looked like a 50 gamer rather than a first.

Negatives: -We didn't improve from last week, the opposition was just a basket case.
-I woke up at 4am to watch that live. Wish I'd slept in a watched the replay.
-Masten. If you're not going to rack up possessions, at least put your body on the line. The kid Duggan went in with more intent.
-We still struggle to stick a tackle and get pushed off way too easily.

Not sure if it was the wind/heat/lack of opposition intensity, but we looked like we were going through the motions there. Could a midfield of Sheed, Duggan, Yeo, Shuey and Gaff match it with the best in 2017, while we've still got a solid spine?
 

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Positives in a nut shell:
1. Match committee finally realise what all of us already knew...ie. we needs people like Yeo in the midfield and McInnes to be blooded at least.
2. Ms Govern already recognized as a gun..how do the dolts feel now who excluded him for at least a season too long. Hopefully McInnes will be a similar story.
3. Finally someone realizes Butler can be a good midfielder due to football smarts.
4. Although Priddis is still a liability they played him closer to the rucks to do the hard slog rather than the "go to man". Much better game from him in this role.

Negatives
1 Shit disposal
2. No structure
3. Depending on luck or mistakes from the opposition rather than creative play. Any other side would have thrashed us today.
4. Hopefully the penny has finally dropped and the match committee see the need for change.
To be fair to the match committee they've always wanted Yeo in the middle, it's just with Brisbane they found a way. Brisbane don't have many talls, sometimes Yeo/Rosa will have to play defensively.

As for Butler, was drafted as a midfielder but had way too many injuries so had to adapt to life down back.
 

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the win - yeah yeah, brisbane are very ordinary but we can only play who we are scheduled and i'd rather not lose these ones.
mcinnes - very solid on debut. i was surprised and impressed. he moves well and kept going all game, starting in the centre square a few times in the last qtr. marked strongly and kicked straight. would like to see him go around again soon before i get too carried away.
yeo - looks like a real point of difference for us at clearances.
sheppard - quietly put together a good game. geez he looks a lot stronger and braver than he did 2 years ago, almost a different player. (gaff is the obvious comparison - hopefully he can make the same strides physically and mentally, it would do his game no harm at all.)
mcgovern - bog. keeper. and apparently indestructible to boot.
duggan - looks so clean and found plenty of it in not much time. hopefully he's ready to go a full game (fitness-wise). would love to see him get shuey's spot next week (if injured.)
sheed - started well enough but dropped off. he looks a really good size to me. worth persevering with.
butler - has his share of detractors on here but played a really good game. he's as good as our depth gets.
nelson - (another) solid performance for a 4th gamer. seems to have a calm head on him.
cripps - having a great year. 11 tackles and a goal on one leg is a big effort.
hill - 3 goals from limited opportunities. he is just silk at times and still bringing the defensive effort. i see no reason he shouldn't be played ahead of mcginnity.
priddis - looked to be making the extra effort to handball to better users, rather than blazing away. hopefully that was the instruction and becomes the trend.
wellingham - i'll add him. seems to be getting his confidence back through being asked to play a defensive role. i don't mind seeing the ball in his hands as he usually uses it well. not going to be the gun we hoped we were getting but is best 22 and can still improve.

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disposal - blowy conditions, sure, but a 2 metre handball on a sunshiney day needs to find a target.
masten - will not go hard at any contest and is happy to stand back and be shepherded off the loose ball. i saw him stick the one tackle (stat sheet says 3). really going backwards fast in my estimation. if wellingham, bennell etc can get dropped repeatedly for lack of 2-way effort, he must be due soon.
nicnat/lycett - have we overrated this duo? hit-outs to advantage will help our average midfield. good to see them clunk a couple of marks but need more out of them. both are athletic enough to provide more around the ground. get to work coxy!
schofield - i said it elsewhere, but he's just not a kpd. lacks the defensive instinct although his athleticism helps him to close and spoil. his real strengths are in striding out further up the ground but i can't see him playing there this season. i'm a big fan of will. it's a shame we'll probably never get the best out of him.
Great summary. Your comment on "nicnat/lycett - have we overrated this duo? hit-outs to advantage will help our average midfield. good to see them clunk a couple of marks but need more out of them. both are athletic enough to provide more around the ground. get to work coxy!" was on the money. There were a few instances when poor old NicNat looked to be jogging on the spot not knowing where to go. Lycett showed more this week but that was from a low base. Will be interesting to see how the pair go against the Mummy. Judging on Fmac's next few games, he may just fit in a back up ruck and allow us to only pick one of Lycett or NicNat.
 

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Definitely playing more shutdown than his normal rebounding 3rd tall defender/small forward defender he's played in the past. The rebound is clearly gone, in fairness though, days like today he wasn't required to rebound, looked to be manning his man quite tightly, possibly instructed to do so. Last week on Pavlich that would definitely have been the case.
We need Barrass to help out as soon as they think he is ready for AFL.
 

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One standout negative from me that we absolutely must work on.

How many times yesterday did a Lions player break a tackle and dish off a no-pressure kick/ handball to a teammate!? We are not being taught to tackle properly and its really starting to sh*t me off. Im beginning to wonder why our players even tackle in the first place - just push the guy with the ball in the shoulder or something (its gotta be more effective than the attack-of-the-wet-lettuce-leaf we are currently doing).

Edit: if it were me I would be looking at bringing some C-grade rugby team to training one day and instructing the lads that they arent going home tonight until they can drag one of em to the turf on the run.
 

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One standout negative from me that we absolutely must work on.

Edit: if it were me I would be looking at bringing some C-grade rugby team to training one day and instructing the lads that they arent going home tonight until they can drag one of em to the turf on the run.
So West Coast to train with Western Force!
 

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One standout negative from me that we absolutely must work on.

How many times yesterday did a Lions player break a tackle and dish off a no-pressure kick/ handball to a teammate!? We are not being taught to tackle properly and its really starting to sh*t me off. Im beginning to wonder why our players even tackle in the first place - just push the guy with the ball in the shoulder or something (its gotta be more effective than the attack-of-the-wet-lettuce-leaf we are currently doing).

Edit: if it were me I would be looking at bringing some C-grade rugby team to training one day and instructing the lads that they arent going home tonight until they can drag one of em to the turf on the run.
Duggan can teach them how to tackle.
 
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