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so how do you know what their efforts in the 2nd half were like other than the score?
 
I watched the replay like a ****ing sucker, I wanted to see something anything from them, but what it showed me was how truly shit they were.
 
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Plenty of positives associated with the way Garlett and Jacobs are coming along off the rookie list. With such intense focus on the coming drafts it's nice to know that with some astute recruitment you can find AFL standard players this deep in the pool
 
Alpha1 said:
Hendo starting to work into it, looking more comfortable.

Judd will be Judd just a champion, carrying the team.

Hammo His second half was very good, actually tried unlike a few others.

Garlett tried hard all day against the odds.

Maybe it is also a positive that we got smashed? I am clutching at straws, but maybe in the long term it could do us some good, we still have seven games to go and this hammering will hopefully fire them up.
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Well the hammering from the Hawks failed to deliver anything to cheer about, so I don't hold great hopes.

Happy with Hendo, of course he would have to injure his knee by having ALL his teamates fly for the same mark.:cool:

Garlett was good in patches.

Judd was o.k. Would have been better if he slotted that early goal to get us up and going.
 
TheGeneral said:
I would have loved to have known you during the period between 2002 and 2007.

Have a sook.
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when I watched the replay last night it was a shame I knew the result
I thought the tempo and effort we were putting in in the 1st qtr was quite good so was amazed at how the reaction on this board was. They had more skill and executed better. Of course things got bleak but...
 
Anymore excuses? I am going to start a excuse thread for Carlton and our posters, we continue to make excuses for them. What is the point of making a effort for 10 minutes? When you don't have the skills and you know after 10 minutes we will play like insipid gutless football?
 
well if there had not even been 10mins I can imagine the chaos on this board
Where is celtic pride when we need some level headed ranting?
 
Sorry guns, just sick and tired of some people on here who continue to make excuses and then run down people who say something against Carlton, I don't give a shit what people on here think of me or the names I get called, I ****ing love Carlton and always will, but I demand more than just mediocre.
 
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If we are going to be constructive, this is the one I saw it. Bear in mind I recorded it and fast forwarded some sections of the game as the avalance occurred.

1. Walker - did some good things. Saw a pearler of a pass into the forward 50, and he runs and runs and runs. Problem is he is being an uncontested king, preferring to run away from traffic to provide an option and his disposal is not sharp enough to do that full time. Suffers from poor decision making like many of his teammates. I believe his run is all important, like Wojo from the Cats, but he has to be more prepared to get dirty.

2. Russell - has fallen away during this lean period. Not to the level of his previous whipping boy status, but is not exactly beating his man as consistently. Like many players, they look bad when the team is travelling bad. Is strong, is courageous, dominates when confident. Still a keeper.

3. Murphy - still a gun player, but is not coming along as the leader I thought he may be. Does not seem to inspire those around him, but seems pretty happy when he does something good. Could be a champion but perhaps coasting a little.

4. Gibbs - see Murphy above. We should be getting lifts from these guys, but always get the impression they are leaving something in the tank passion wise. Can't single them out as they are still better than most in the team, but sometimes if those you look to for inspiration aren't offering any, then it permeates the team. At the very least, the class players should be showing the others how not to panic.

5. Judd - still doing a power of work, still trying to drag us along, but we can't deny that some of his disposal is starting to hurt us, and it is not just the pressure disposal. Tonight we were in the game early in general play but were butchering chances and going forward haphazardly. Someone needed to provide the lift. The Judd miss on the run, followed by the set shot miss from the fortunate free after the kick, really deflated me. If ever we needed to exert scoreboard pressure to capitalise on our opportunities and give us a much needed boost, that was it.

6. Simpson - not going to bag Simmo too much. One of our few willing workers who puts his body on the line every week. He is entitled to the occasional quiet game. Loved the long goal shortly after hurting himself in a contest.

12. Robinson - yes he is tough as nails, but I don't think we were soft tonight. Tonight was about our poor skills and decision making AND going to ground consistently while our opponents ran forward unopposed. Robbo was a major culprit in this regard. We just lacked balance and poise all game.

13. Yarran - saw someone bagging him, but I liked plenty of things he did. Was willing to go back and help out in defence. Second year player who will be up and down, but as long as he continues to show us his class regularly, I have no major concerns.

17. O'hAilpin - Was never going to shine basically double teamed with Lake being one of those against him. However, Lake exposed him for judgment time and time again, and he is equally responsible for holding the ball in the forward line. Seems to have lost a bit of pace. Is he right?

18. Bower - not match fit. Has the ability but not thrilled with his output tonight.

19. Betts - Dogs planned for him and he didn't work hard enough to overcome that plan. Pretty easy to negate our most dangerous forward when no other forwards are taking the focus off him.

22. Hampson - liked the mark he took. First time I have seen him at full extension like that. Not doing anywhere near enough though.

23. Henderson - very hard worker. Has some brain fades as in kicking too close to man on mark but didn't drop his head and can only get better. Have some high hopes for him long term.

27. Armfield - plays well most weeks, and playing well when we are under siege is a real positive. He was very good today. Backs himself with the ball and crunches opponents when they have the ball. Not the greatest skills but you can not fault the way he goes about things.

29. Scotland - the most indecisive I have seen him. Usually one of our cooler heads but he was all at sea today.

32. Thornton - seemed to be zoning off his opponent even when they were threatening. Not a good game. Game seems to be too quick for him.

33. Houlihan - really struggled to get into the contest and make things happen. Not really the player to lift the team when they are down.

38. Garlett - never gives up. One of a few who was truly pressuring the Dogs. A vital part of the team, even if the flow of the game is not always to his advantage.

39. Jacobs - I thought he went okay. Good honest player is Sam. Showed something with that first snapped goal.

40. Jamison - decision making was ordinary in this game. Is usually very assured. Got found out on the lead and not very strong in contested situations. Strain seems to be showing.

44. Carrazzo - not sure what role he had out there but pretty much all the Dogs were running riot so am not sure how effective he was. Decision making was painfully slow. Hesitation was our biggest enemy in general and this was a poor game from Carrots. Part of our leadership group but if a message needs to be sent again, he is a candidate.

45. Joseph - he's a trier but is just not doing enough. Not sure whether a footy brain is a major part of his kit bag. Just seems to reactive at times.
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All this...

Overall, a lift across the board is needed.
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For this analysis? Seriously, that is cheer squad/David Schwarz stuff.

A statement or two needs to be made, similar to the Thornton and Waite demotions earlier in the year. Gibbs for mine should be in the gun. Just doesn't impose himself on the contest. Chases cheap possessions while his opponent breaks lines and does untold damage. Cooney was BOG for mine... simply ripped us apart through the middle with run and carry. You can have as many team meetings and pump up ones tyres as much as you like, but until we get serious about making blokes accountable, we are going nowhere. Gibbs could be a real topline star, but at the moment doesn't want to work for it, and a wake-up call is definitely in order.
 

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Alpha1 said:
Sorry guns, just sick and tired of some people on here who continue to make excuses and then run down people who say something against Carlton, I don't give a shit what people on here think of me or the names I get called, I ****ing love Carlton and always will, but I demand more than just mediocre.
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Fantastic post. :thumbsu:

People who howl down others for posting criticism of the club, no matter how warranted, are inevitably those who accept mediocrity, and will be satisfied with ineptitude continually plaguing the club.
 
Snoozer said:
Fantastic post. :thumbsu:

People who howl down others for posting criticism of the club, no matter how warranted, are inevitably those who accept mediocrity, and will be satisfied with ineptitude continually plaguing the club.
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or it is those who have got over the emotional let down, had their outburst of frustration and now can move on in a mature fashion. But thanks for your help
 
blue gunslinger said:
or it is those who have got over the emotional let down, had their outburst of frustration and now can move on in a mature fashion. But thanks for your help
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Hahaha... don't you see the problem with that. They get emotional, let off steam, then go back to their thinking that the world is perfect again and nothing needs to change. My post had nothing to do with emotions or otherwise. It's a common theme after a win, loss or draw. It was the same when Fevola was at his worst... many people could see that he was a terrible influence on our club and posted accordingly, while others with their navy blue glasses couldn't accept criticism that all wasn't perfect.

But you go on living in your world... satisfied with second-place, and I'll have mine.
 
On Judd's kicking, I try not to bag the man because I can see how much truly ridiculous pressure he has to play against, but we all know he has an interesting kicking style.

I'm no expert on technique, but it seems he has a very different and strange one. Just look at his running shots on goal where he seems to just jab the ball high flat off his boot. His field kicking isn't too much different.

Is it a modification to do with his groins or some such?

I just seem to remember even when he first came to us in 2008, I was impressed at how often he was the one player we had that when he kicked it to someone, they often caught it. Not because they were lace out or anything, he just gave nice weighted passes to our players' advantage.
So back then, it seemed his disposal was at least, well, decent. But now it seems like it's actually gotten worse and worse.

Am I wrong? :confused:

Still love everything else he gives us of course, but I can't help but notice this.
Edit: sorry, this was kinda the wrong thread huh :p
 
Snoozer said:
Hahaha... don't you see the problem with that. They get emotional, let off steam, then go back to their thinking that the world is perfect again and nothing needs to change. My post had nothing to do with emotions or otherwise. It's a common theme after a win, loss or draw. It was the same when Fevola was at his worst... many people could see that he was a terrible influence on our club and posted accordingly, while others with their navy blue glasses couldn't accept criticism that all wasn't perfect.

But you go on living in your world... satisfied with second-place, and I'll have mine.
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My point was yes alpha should be allowed to vent his frustration - nobody is saying he should not. But we have heard his point of view across several threads now and I know alpha can offer more than a swear filtered post.
 
blue gunslinger said:
My point was yes alpha should be allowed to vent his frustration - nobody is saying he should not. But we have heard his point of view across several threads now and I know alpha can offer more than a swear filtered post.
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And you bait him by responding. If you want him to stop harping on about it, stop feeding him.
 

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I hope the players are hurting over yesterdays effort. Positives- we cant play as bad as we did yesterday for the rest of the season. If we do then we will miss the 8.
 
Snoozer said:
And you bait him by responding. If you want him to stop harping on about it, stop feeding him.
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alpha and I are cool mate. Just worry about yourself
 
BlueSnake said:
On Judd's kicking ...
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Judd's kicking was pretty good yesterday. His only bad kicks were the two points in-a-row.

Despite popular belief, Judd has never been a brilliant kick, but it has been pretty ordinary at times this year. Some of his kicks when running at full pace don't even spin properly, which would indicate to me a technique problem, most likely in his ball drop.

I am sure that he and Carlton have realised his kicking is down, becuase yesterday there were a lot more 15-30 metre kicks to Gibbs and Murphy than usual. Only time I can think of him kicking long were his shots at goal.
 
blue gunslinger said:
or it is those who have got over the emotional let down, had their outburst of frustration and now can move on in a mature fashion. But thanks for your help
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that's my hypothesis...some people need to grow the heck up and worry about what they can control in their lives, or else go the GM and air your thoughts where they might count :thumbsu:
 
Alpha1 said:
Anymore excuses? I am going to start a excuse thread for Carlton and our posters, we continue to make excuses for them. What is the point of making a effort for 10 minutes? When you don't have the skills and you know after 10 minutes we will play like insipid gutless football?
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Alpha, fair dinkum , every thread I go to you;re bleating and whinging, ad nauseum.

No one is making excuses.

Everyone is as disappointed as you with our club at the moment.
 

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