Post mortem of Australian cricket

[Franco Vazquez]

Pathetic pitches at home.

Pathetic leader. Only 4 players with their spots safe in the playing XI. Average spinner like Lyon playing 100 Tests. Starc spraying like a water gun. U19 team not as good as they used to be. No WC players in Sheffield, Decent players like Green being compared to Kallis, Sobers etc.

Is Australian cricket dying?

 

[Santana]

Pitches won't change. CA want to squeeze every last penny out of test cricket while they can.

We are past the glory years of Australian cricket pitches.

 

[11kgm]

Pitches won't change. CA want to squeeze every last penny out of test cricket while they can.

We are past the glory years of Australian cricket pitches.

Would rather roads then minefields

 

[Black white]

Pathetic pitches at home.

Pathetic leader. Only 4 players with their spots safe in the playing XI. Average spinner like Lyon playing 100 Tests. Starc spraying like a water gun. U19 team not as good as they used to be. No WC players in Sheffield, Decent players like Green being compared to Kallis, Sobers etc.

Is Australian cricket dying?

Is Australian sport dying?

Have you seen our union, soccer teams?

 

[littlegg]

so we (should of won the ashes) yet now cricket is dying in OZ? 3rd ranked team, ever thought maybe just maybe india who were battle ready from 20/20 cricket were better ready?

if we lose in SA than i'll get the pitch forks but its crazy year,

 

[PP34]

The pitches are no excuse. Our batsmen are just too s**t to take advantage of any good batting pitches. We would have seen 3-4 Kohli tons if he stayed.

 

[Gethelred]

Pathetic pitches at home.

Pathetic leader. Only 4 players with their spots safe in the playing XI. Average spinner like Lyon playing 100 Tests. Starc spraying like a water gun. U19 team not as good as they used to be. No WC players in Sheffield, Decent players like Green being compared to Kallis, Sobers etc.

Is Australian cricket dying?

 

[11kgm]

Is Australian sport dying?

Have you seen our union, soccer teams?

Be interesting how the Olympics go

 

[Black white]

Be interesting how the Olympics go

True, will be lots of upsets this Olympics is my guess , so may not be a true reflection

 

[jmac70]

Paine needs to go. Poor captain and wicket keep

 

[HTPunter]

******* lol at these sorts of threads.

Reminds me of when we lost the Ashes circa 2010-11.

Demise of Australian cricket. Where too from here. Will test cricket die. Deep crises.

That was 3 tests we lost in a series by an innings. The only time that had happened.
And then we went to England and lose 3-0 there. Geez, 6-1 in 2 Ashes series.

Then England came back to us and we knocked them so hard that Swann retired, Pietersen, Panesar and Carberry never played test cricket again, Prior got dropped, and Andy Flower resigned as coach.
Trott also went home albeit for medical reasons.

So we were back. Won a series in South Africa, won the World Cup, top of the test rankings...

And then there was sandpapergate.

Reactionary threads gonna reactionary.

 

[swingdog]

Be interesting how the Olympics go

My money is on it not happening.

 

[jmac70]

******* lol at these sorts of threads.

Reminds me of when we lost the Ashes circa 2010-11.

Demise of Australian cricket. Where too from here. Will test cricket die. Deep crises.

That was 3 tests we lost in a series by an innings. The only time that had happened.
And then we went to England and lose 3-0 there. Geez, 6-1 in 2 Ashes series.

Then England came back to us and we knocked them so hard that Swann retired, Pietersen, Panesar and Carberry never played test cricket again, Prior got dropped, and Andy Flower resigned as coach.
Trott also went home albeit for medical reasons.

So we were back. Won a series in South Africa, won the World Cup, top of the test rankings...

And then there was sandpapergate.

Reactionary threads gonna reactionary.

Be proactive then, what’s going to happen next?

 

[King Elvis]

No - India deservedly with this Series, but, like the Ashes, we should have won.

If Paine held a couple of catches, if his Captaincy was better, if Starc wasn't so inconsistent - we win.

Batting obviously has some concerns, but positive signs. Cummins and Hazelwood are guns; Starc is too inconsistent to be a walk up start, and Lyons is probably finished.

Cricket on the whole is in a reasonably position.

Pitches won't change. CA want to squeeze every last penny out of test cricket while they can.

We are past the glory years of Australian cricket pitches.

I disagree - but we stupidly go through this cycle every few years.

CA prepares shitty pitches that don't help us, or provide high levels of excitement, we have a couple of crap home seasons, a bunch of old players fire up about how crap and vanilla the pitches are, they listen and improve the pitches for a year or two, and then we rinse and repeat.

 

[King Elvis]

This is why Test Cricket is the best sport in the world - 20 days of cricket, hours upon hours of play; and we arguably lose the entire series because of one dropped catch.

 

[Jiggyman]

Build the side around Puc, Labs, Smith, Green, Cummins and Hazlewood. Lyon should stick around for a bit longer, but cart the rest.

There's our starting point.

 

[The Cattery 1980]

Is Australian sport dying?

Have you seen our union, soccer teams?

It's not dying, but we certainly have punched above our weight over the years. Union will always struggle due to a lack of participants, whereas soccer would lose a lot of potential talent to other football codes which most other countries wouldn't have to compete with. Our cricket team can and should be so much better, and would be if we had a captain who has more of a tactical nuance about him.

 

[jmac70]

This is why Test Cricket is the best sport in the world - 20 days of cricket, hours upon hours of play; and we arguably lose the entire series because of one dropped catch.

Well said. What a magnificent series. All credit to India, well deserved. Fancy chasing down 328, unbelievable.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Yeah ditch the drop in pitches and go back to the old SCG, MCG, AO etc..

How good is the ashes in England to watch with the ball hooping around.

 

[Cleavy]

Senior stars’ mighty struggle as only three Aussies earn above 7: Mike Hussey’s Series Ratings

Senior stars flop as only three Aussies earn above 7: Mike Hussey’s series ratings

www.foxsports.com.au

it's fine. Starc and Lyon received a rating of 5.5 & 5 respectively, so that's a pass for both.

 

[frankrizzo]

The first two decks had plenty for bowlers and our batsman got rolled on both decks.

 

[King Elvis]

Senior stars’ mighty struggle as only three Aussies earn above 7: Mike Hussey’s Series Ratings

Senior stars flop as only three Aussies earn above 7: Mike Hussey’s series ratings

www.foxsports.com.au

it's fine. Starc and Lyon received a rating of 5.5 & 5 respectively, so that's a pass for both.

5.5 is not good enough for two of your senior bowlers.

 

[Black white]

It's not dying, but we certainly have punched above our weight over the years. Union will always struggle due to a lack of participants, whereas soccer would lose a lot of potential talent to other football codes which most other countries wouldn't have to compete with. Our cricket team can and should be so much better, and would be if we had a captain who has more of a tactical nuance about him.

That all Australian AFL team is still number one at least

 

[The Airing of Grievances]

Well said. What a magnificent series. All credit to India, well deserved. Fancy chasing down 328, unbelievable.

It was certainly a magnificent series from an Indian perspective. They displayed admirable resilience in the face of adversity and prepared and executed well thought out plans. But the fact this series even went down to the wire is entirely due to our 2 hours if magnificence with the ball in Adelaide... For the rest, we battled particularly with the bat where we never dominated their attack even when their top 5 quickstep and top 2 spinners were absent. The major concern is that there are no obvious changes to the batting lineup likely to be any improvement on the incumbents or those who have been tried before and discarded. Of those only Renshaw, perhaps, seems any sort of future prospect.

 

[whatwhatsaywhat]

generational change looms

from the side that played, we've probably seen the best of warner, harris, wade, smith, paine, starc, and lyon, if not cummins and hazlewood

there are few emerging players coming through the ranks of the class of pucovski and green - carey is an average keeper (like the current captain) but an arguably better bat, henry hunt looks promising but is super raw as are tanveer sangha and riley meredith, while billy stanlake can't get any shield cricket under his belt as his body breaks down

it happens to most sides; we're looking to replace average players with more average players

the disappointing thing is that the likes of the supposed next generation of players - jake weatherald, travis head, james muirhead (remember him?), jhye richardson, et al - have not come on as oztrayan cricket fans would hope they would

we certainly have nowhere near the depth of india, and are probably similar to south africa in that we've got a couple of young kids with huge potential and some traditional 'good, ordinary' players who are actually the next cabs off the rank

i certainly would not want to go into the first ashes test next summer with this xi:

henry hunt
will pucovski
marnus labuschagne
steve smith
ben mcdermott
cameron green
alex carey
patrick cummins (c)
james pattinson
mitchell swepson
josh hazlewood
xii: riley meredith

BUT i think i would be a lot more excited to watch it than this xi:

david warner
will pucovski
marnus labuschagne
steve smith
travis head
cameron green
tim paine (c)
patrick cummins
mitchell starc
nathan lyon
josh hazlewood
xii: james pattinson

at the moment, the selectors are damned if they do and damned if they don't