Autopsy Post Mortem vs Essendon

[seanoff]

Hi,

Most of your problems appear to be in the middle 50. It appears the forwards dont have the first clue when and where the ball might come from and where its going to be delivered. There are enough inside 50s to win almost any game.

The mids are getting enough of the pill but after that there doesn't seem much of a plan. It seems from watching the first 5 games that the plan is to bomb it in and hope for a mark or bring it to the deck and snag the crumb. Even if you kick it long you can put it to advantage but that's not happening. Its just put in the air. I'm not sure if that's a coaching thing, ie just get it in there and we'll score from the pressure, or if the players are incapable, or a little from column a and a little from column b.

Also Pendlebury is not even close to right. Or if he is right Bucks has lost him completely.

 

[jackcass]

I love this saying "players need to take responsibility".

How do they "take responsibility" other then magically flick a switch and do the opposite of what they have done all year and most of last year?

Do they then drop themselves to VFL?

If a player is deemed to continually let the team down, isn't incumbent on the coach to then find a way of breaking said players form slump? or send him to the 2s to regain form/confidence/work on the issue?

I agree. Selection is an issue. Just what alternatives were available for Saturday that would have changed or improved our performance?

 

[Helfarch]

The call from the umpire was touched. They went upstairs because there was doubt. The video wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the umpire's decision.

I nearly lost my shit at this, they only used one camera when there are about 4 angles available that would have shown if it was touched which is only possible if the Essendon player has 10-inch fingers - fair he himself thought he touched it because he hit Cox' boot.

Maybe I should just be happy it wasn't called kicking in danger

 

[Apex36]

It also is a very taxing game style. Players are taking shots on goal cooked as ****. Anyone who has played the game knows when you have jelly legs your kicking accuracy tends to suffer.

So much this. I don't buy in to the theory that we've recruited poorly skilled players (ok there are some there but not all). It's no coincidence that our kicking efficiency took a nosedive around the same time as Buckley implemented his 'high pressure' game style a few years ago. If our players weren't so knackered all the time their kicking might actually be decent. Food for thought!

 

[Helfarch]

So much this. I don't buy in to the theory that we've recruited poorly skilled players (ok there are some there but not all). It's no coincidence that our kicking efficiency took a nosedive around the same time as Buckley implemented his 'high pressure' game style a few years ago. If our players weren't so knackered all the time their kicking might actually be decent. Food for thought!

Fasolo does bugger all and can't kick a set shot to save his life which has him snapping as quick as he can because he is shit scared of the pressure to kick straight.

 

[sr36]

Fasolo does bugger all and can't kick a set shot to save his life which has him snapping as quick as he can because he is shit scared of the pressure to kick straight.

Faz is a beautiful kick, who has clearly lost confidence, as has the rest of the team.

I suspect it's the way they're being managed.

 

[loki04]

I agree. Selection is an issue. Just what alternatives were available for Saturday that would have changed or improved our performance?

Dunn in, Reid fwd, cox out.

Pendles rested Replaced by wells. Crocker or Daicos in bench/fwd.

 

[TheSierBear]

We should look to trade fasolo. I think crocker is developing into a good player and has a better head on his shoulders.

 

[Apex36]

Fasolo does bugger all and can't kick a set shot to save his life which has him snapping as quick as he can because he is shit scared of the pressure to kick straight.

Fasolo has the yips, plain and simple. No excuses for him there, his issues are between the ears. If he was kicking like he was 12 months ago he'd have about 15 goals already.

 

[TheSierBear]

Dunn in, Reid fwd, cox out.

Pendles rested Replaced by wells. Crocker or Daicos in bench/fwd.

I think white will come in. Will have to provide a chop out for Grundy off the five day break. White and all the other ins to work there arses off.

 

[jackcass]

Dunn in, Reid fwd, cox out.

Pendles rested Replaced by wells. Crocker or Daicos in bench/fwd.

So you keep saying but Reid forward did not 1 iota to change our performance yesterday in fact the Bumbers got a run on in the last while he was absent from defense. Therefore Dunn could only reasonably replace Schade, (and he's actually been pretty solid) or Goldsack (and I'd have him up among our best and most consistent performers YTD).

Cox I wasn't a fan of if he was going to play the White role but his performance yesterday likely offered more than White the previous week.

Crocker and Daicos both pretty average Sunday so not sure why they merit promotion unless you're suggesting we play both instead of Pendles.

 

[sloth6]

Tell you what I saw yesterday that stood out to me like a beacon... Nobody wants to take a shot! WTF is going on with that? Where is the value in holding the ball inside 50 if you're not going to pull the trigger when you get a chance? As I say... Fear Of Failure!

Perfect example was Broomhead running from the square into our forward 50m - handballs to Phillips with an Bombers player on his a&s, tackled and turnover.

Broomhead should of kept running and steadied and shot on goal.

Apart from Treloar and Hoskin Elliot (when he does it properly) does any other player actually run with the footy and have a bounce.

 

[loki04]

So you keep saying but Reid forward did not 1 iota to change our performance yesterday in fact the Bumbers got a run on in the last while he was absent from defense. Therefore Dunn could only reasonably replace Schade, (and he's actually been pretty solid) or Goldsack (and I'd have him up among our best and most consistent performers YTD).

Cox I wasn't a fan of if he was going to play the White role but his performance yesterday likely offered more than White the previous week.

Crocker and Daicos both pretty average Sunday so not sure why they merit promotion unless you're suggesting we play both instead of Pendles.

We have lost nearly every last quarter this year with or without Reid fwd.

The midfield lost badly in the last, it was a problem up field, not the absence of a player (Reid) who was ran away from the play for the proceeding 3 quarters by Hooker. Hooker basically played as a decoy.

Reid was visibly spent in his whole 25 minutes played as a forward after being ran up and down the ground by Hooker.

In the 3rd (the 5 minutes he was there) he actually did improve our structures and bought smalls into it as well as allowed Moore 1v1s in the 4th. he himself may not of directly scored but his presence added to the f50.

PS I do believe Reid was playing defence in the 1st quarter where we lost badly...You conveniently omit that as it doesn't fit your agenda.

As for Daicos or Crocker I'd just play them for development reasons, while Pendles recovers from a obvious ailment. Seen many players come in of crap VFL form Blair and Mayne say hi.

 

[MarkT2]

At least for once the injury excuse is off the table.
This is just how good we are (or aren't).

We have an ordinary list being poorly coached and poorly managed. The results naturally follow.

 

[Jasper84]

Perfect example was Broomhead running from the square into our forward 50m - handballs to Phillips with an Bombers player on his a&s, tackled and turnover.

Broomhead should of kept running and steadied and shot on goal.

Apart from Treloar and Hoskin Elliot (when he does it properly) does any other player actually run with the footy and have a bounce.

Even Treloar on occasion yesterday handballed off to stationary players instead of taking the game on at the end. Apart from WHE we seem to be devoid of the player who steps up and says "I'm going to win this game myself". That ego and self confidence players like Selwood and Dangerfield have is sorely missed.

 

[Bunton Barfly]

At least for once the injury excuse is off the table.
This is just how good we are (or aren't).

We have an ordinary list being poorly coached and poorly managed. The results naturally follow.

Disagree with the ordinary list comment. There are many talented young players, and most of our older players have talent also.
There are horrible mistakes being made during matches that, I would suggest, are down to poorly drilled routines and a lack of appropriate skill development. Do our coaches just assume that, because our players have reached this level, they should have the knowledge and be responsible enough to implement basic skills? (Lead your opponent to the ball, impact the contest if you leave your opponent to help out, do not all fly for the mark, pick a target behind the goals and aim for it when shooting, where to stand when defending a ball up in the opposition forward 50 etc, etc). Because, if our coaches ASSUME that the players, even the experienced players, don't need that coaching ... then we had better find some more effective coaches - quickly.

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

Apart from Treloar and Hoskin Elliot (when he does it properly) does any other player actually run with the footy and have a bounce.

My gawd, i have been craving this for years now. To have a real runner in our side, regularly come bouncing out of defense, or off the wing into attack, someone who can boost their teammates and fill the opposition with fear every time they get the ball in hand and a yard on their opponent.
I hope Wells might be it, at least a bit, and at least for a couple of years.

 

[sloth6]

Even Treloar on occasion yesterday handballed off to stationary players instead of taking the game on at the end. Apart from WHE we seem to be devoid of the player who steps up and says "I'm going to win this game myself". That ego and self confidence players like Selwood and Dangerfield have is sorely missed.

It's a favourite past time of our Players of late - handballing to team mates standing still. I just love it when we do it.

 

[Bunton Barfly]

It's a favourite past time of our Players of late - handballing to team mates standing still. I just love it when we do it.

Maybe their coaches have trained them to do that ... and handball to the ground a metre in front of their team mate, or a metre above their heads.

 

[jackcass]

We have lost nearly every last quarter this year with or without Reid fwd.

The midfield lost badly in the last, it was a problem up field, not the absence of a player (Reid) who was ran away from the play for the proceeding 3 quarters by Hooker. Hooker basically played as a decoy.

Reid was visibly spent in his whole 25 minutes played as a forward after being ran up and down the ground by Hooker.

In the 3rd (the 5 minutes he was there) he actually did improve our structures and bought smalls into it as well as allowed Moore 1v1s in the 4th. he himself may not of directly scored but his presence added to the f50.

PS I do believe Reid was playing defence in the 1st quarter where we lost badly...You conveniently omit that as it doesn't fit your agenda.

As for Daicos or Crocker I'd just play them for development reasons, while Pendles recovers from a obvious ailment. Seen many players come in of crap VFL form Blair and Mayne say hi.

Yeah, sorry I'm just not prepared to play an AA CHB as a forward decoy on the chance it might improve another forwards output. If he's going forward I'd want and expect him to be the number 1 forward. After an interrupted pre-season he's only just starting to find form in defense so not sure why we should assume he's ready to be the number 1 forward.

And I'm not omitting anything, I was responding to your suggestion that Reid play forward. If you'd asked, I would have said Reid had a relatively poor 4 quarter game, even by 2017 standards, and had little impact irrespective of playing either forward or back.

Irrespective of the views of them, Blair and Mayne are seasoned senior players, Crocker and Daicos aren't.

 

[Somebody]

Included it in my original post.

I agree we have some major issues with our F50 entry and transition but a game plan that generates about 50% more forward entries than the opposition can't possibly be as bad as many suggest. Particularly when you factor in the time in possession was pretty much equally split.

some of those extra F50's may be because we get so few shots on goal from I50's so the ball is bounced right out again and then fed in again and bounced again - lots of useless I50's. If you have much higher scoring efficiency from I50's , the scores starve the I50 count.

 

[Somebody]

Yeah, sorry I'm just not prepared to play an AA CHB as a forward decoy on the chance it might improve another forwards output. If he's going forward I'd want and expect him to be the number 1 forward. After an interrupted pre-season he's only just starting to find form in defense so not sure why we should assume he's ready to be the number 1 forward.

And I'm not omitting anything, I was responding to your suggestion that Reid play forward. If you'd asked, I would have said Reid had a relatively poor 4 quarter game, even by 2017 standards, and had little impact irrespective of playing either forward or back.

Irrespective of the views of them, Blair and Mayne are seasoned senior players, Crocker and Daicos aren't.

Reid is a fragile player and it might be dangerous to play him a lot as a forward - both for the physical beating he would get from defenders and the much less straight ahead running patterns which tend to challenge hammys knees etc.

 

[jonbe54]

This is petty from me but:

To all those who gave the realists shit for commenting on how poor we are over the past 3/4 years. What do you have to say now? What pithy excuse can be concocted now? This experiment has failed and Buckley must leave.


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Yep you're right very petty . . . anything constructive to post?

 

[mike123]

Reid is a fragile player and it might be dangerous to play him a lot as a forward - both for the physical beating he would get from defenders and the much less straight ahead running patterns which tend to challenge hammys knees etc.

So opposition forwards only run in straight line and are soft?

 

[Collingwoodity]

Yep you're right very petty . . . anything constructive to post?

Yes. The same constructive thing I said 3 years ago: Buckley must change his game plan or leave so that Collingwood can move forward.