Discussion Potential Coach Replacements

[FlyingSledghamer]

I'd love to see Harves as head coach, but he seems well too inexperienced to me.

If we had someone like Laidly, choco or even Mark Harvey on the team id be much more inclined to approve of Harves as a head coach.

If your talking about a Senior Assistant coach behind Harvey, I would put Neil Craig ahead of all of them, he's supposedly a fitness expert of the highest order from what people have said. FWIW I'm against Harvey for head coach this year. I just think its too soon.

 

[hayes]

I appreciate everything Ross did for us but even when we won sometimes we were brutal to watch. How many of you can honestly say you enjoyed watching us play? I'm excited about having a new coach who recognizes that attack is just as important as defense.

 

[UnfinishedBusiness]

Boys did u hear Robert harves has officially put his hand up - sportsbet have him at $3 I think

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

I appreciate everything Ross did for us but even when we won sometimes we were brutal to watch. How many of you can honestly say you enjoyed watching us play? I'm excited about having a new coach who recognizes that attack is just as important as defense.

Personally I enjoyed most of it.

I loved seeing us hold other teams scoreless/goal-less for large amounts of time.

This year may have been more bearable as Armo was finally get game time though...

 

[CHBench]

I think I am in a party of one, but I want Choco. Don't even like the bloke, but he can coach. Other thing is he is experienced and successful. Lyon had not been a senior coach but he was very experienced - over a decade of experience in the caper. I don't like the idea of a less experienced coach, eg someone with three or four years assistant coaching (I don't rate Brad Scott, and Chris Scott's team is coaching itself).

I don't want a bloke who's learning on the job.

With the way things are falling, make that 2. The precarious position we find ourselves in, needing a steady stream of youth to come through while mixing with a valuable core of older guys who failed to reach the summit 3 times requires an old head, IMO.

However, the old heads available are either inadequate (Bailey, Craig), past their used by date (Eade) or highly improbable (Malthouse).

Choco has a raft of experience and knows what it takes to win a premiership, and would surely rouse the guys who psyche has taken a bit of a hit after 09/10.

Unfortunately though I think he's teed up to take over GWS after Sheedy has had a bit of a play. So luring him would take a mighty effort, and money we don't really have.

After the events of today the only untried assistant I'd be happy to punt on so far is Scott Watters. But who knows if he wants a senior gig here, considering he has a wad of cash from Ross Lyon waiting for him back home in Fremantle.

Oh and too soon for Rob Harvey.

 

[Kildonan]

Eade wouldn't be my first choice as head coach, but he does great analyses of opposition clubs and is a very good communicator. If we do choose to make Robert Harvey the senior coach, I think it would be wise to bring in some experienced tactical assistants. Eade would be perfect. Laidley would also be good in that role.

 

[Ricmel]

Boys did u hear Robert harves has officially put his hand up - sportsbet have him at $3 I think

I love Harvs but I hope this is not the case. Just cannot see him as head coach material.

Saints should be hung drawn and quartered if they do not snaffle Scott Watters.

 

[Squizz]

Well that is a surprise (guess I should expect the unexpected these days).

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-legend-eyes-coach-spot-20110919-1ki0m.html

St Kilda legend Robert Harvey yesterday declared his desire to coach his old club.

While the relatively inexperienced Harvey, who has been appointed interim coach following last week's shock defection of Ross Lyon to Fremantle, would seem an unlikely replacement, it is understood the Saints will today add their dual Brownlow medallist to a list of candidates varying in age and experience.

The Saints have not ruled out approaching former Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams.

The Saints have also not ruled out appointing an outside consultant who has coached at senior AFL level and preferably a premiership team.

Another candidate presents in Gold Coast assistant Ken Hinkley who made a significant impression on Melbourne in recent weeks and narrowly missed winning the Richmond job two years ago.

Rodney Eade, who has been approached to assume director of coaching roles at three AFL clubs including Adelaide, is also expected to be sounded out.

It also emerged yesterday that Sanderson's predecessor, Neil Craig, has been offered a lucrative role at West Coast along with offers from Melbourne and Richmond.

 

[Squizz]

What I would like to see is a person who is happy to retain guys like Harvey and King as assistants, and will look to get St Kilda people back where appropriate (like Max as a defensive coach). Even Baker would have something to offer in a part-time capacity (the younger guys often have little idea on body positioning and what needs to be done to keep a good opponent on the defensive side of stoppages - and what their teammates will do to you if you try).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Lenny Hayes to be the first player coach since Blight.
Eade and Craig for assistants.

 

[The Punter]

There is such a small "motivational" component of coaching at this level nowadays that a playing coach becomes a ridiculous suggestion. It doesn't even work at local level any more.

Harvey would need the support of a senior assistant with head coaching experience, like an Eade or Craig (I don't think Laidley has the goods in either role), but the longer it goes on, the more likely it seems to me that Banger will get the job.

Remember Harvey was part of perhaps the three most attacking St Kilda teams ever (1991-1992 under Sheldon, 1997 under Alves, 2004-2006 under Thomas), so we would probably be built around contested footy followed by quick ball movement.

What I'd really want to hear from any prospective coaching candidate is where footy should go next - post press. What new system (and just having great kicks like Hawthorn is not a system) will defeat the press? That's where we need to be looking.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Hard to coach a decent midfield when Ross has the whole 18 running towards defensive sticks like their lives depend on it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There is such a small "motivational" component of coaching at this level nowadays that a playing coach becomes a ridiculous suggestion. It doesn't even work at local level any more.

Harvey would need the support of a senior assistant with head coaching experience, like an Eade or Craig (I don't think Laidley has the goods in either role), but the longer it goes on, the more likely it seems to me that Banger will get the job.

Remember Harvey was part of perhaps the three most attacking St Kilda teams ever (1991-1992 under Sheldon, 1997 under Alves, 2004-2006 under Thomas), so we would probably be built around contested footy followed by quick ball movement.



What I'd really want to hear from any prospective coaching candidate is where footy should go next - post press. What new system (and just having great kicks like Hawthorn is not a system) will defeat the press? That's where we need to be looking.

Yeah it was a joke suggestion
I wont be happy if Harvey is appointed though, and I wont be happy if we completely abandon the defensive component of our game.

Our players need to be drilled to improve their skills though. Not Impossible. Everyone is talking about W Coasts skills improvement this year.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Even though I don't think he's ready. One of the great things Harvey will be able to coach is preperation. Lets not forget how good a trainer he was and despite some injuries he played till what 36-37. Not many players have been able to do that in the modern game. Also his clearance work was incredible. Better option that Williams IMO

 

[Squizz]

Yeah it was a joke suggestion

Never thought otherwise!

WC is a bit different. NicNat and Kennedy have matured and Cox, Embley & Kerr seem to have recaptured previous form. I look through their team on the weekend and see a hell of a lot of experienced players with only a few talented kids.

 

[Budgie63]

I can't agree with the suggestions of getting Choco. I've read a lot of he Port forums over the past 4-5 years and they were a very unhappy lot of campers in his last few years. They couldn't wait to see the end of the guy.

 

[goodie23]

All other vacancies have been filled, so we might as well take our time, investigate thoroughly and do all we can to find the best candidate.

 

[mysainters]

I can't agree with the suggestions of getting Choco. I've read a lot of he Port forums over the past 4-5 years and they were a very unhappy lot of campers in his last few years. They couldn't wait to see the end of the guy.

Well he had a liking for his core group of players, and didn't play the kids, even when out of contention.

Sound familiar

 

[Winmar07]

Hi fellow St Kilda supporters, I just joined Bigfooty. I have been a reader of your posts for a while but felt compelled to join and post on this topic. IMO I don't care what anyone else in AFL circles says. We need to go out and be aggressive in recruiting a new coach. We have to get the best out there, not necessarily available but the best coach out there. IMO that is Mick Malthouse. Mick has said that he has not finished coaching and still has a passion for it. He has also said that if you are out of the coaching circle for even one year, your gone. We are the only club left for Mick to have a go at if he is even considering staying in coaching. And if Mick has said he doesn't want to come to St Kilda then ask him what we need to do to make it happen, AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

If we can't get Mick across the line my next preference would be Ken Hinkley. He is highly rated, has been in the system for quite a long time and had a great apprenticeship. He has coached his own side to a premiership and been involved in teams that have won AFL premierships. His profile say that His key responsibilities are the side's 'attacking' capabilities and he has an intimate knowledge of opposition teams. He understands trends and changes in the game. Supporters and commentators have criticised our game plan as being too defensive IMO the best bet if we can’t get Malthouse.


Ken Hinkley

Gold Coast - Asst. Coach
DOB:30/09/1966
Playing record:
Fitzroy 1987-1988: 11 games, 21 goals
Geelong 1989-1995: 121 games, 58 goals
B & F 1992
Captain 1995
All Aust 1991 & 1992
State Representative
3 Grand Finals
Coaching record:
Mortlake Coach 1996-1998
Camperdown Coach 1999-2000: P'Ships 1999 & 2000
St Kilda Asst. Coach 2001
Bell Park Coach 2002-2003: P'Ship 2003
Geelong Asst. Coach 2004-2009: P'Ship 2007
Gold Coast Asst. Coach 2010-2011
Ken's outstanding background in coaching enables him to cover off many areas of modern football. His key responsibilities are the side's 'attacking' capabilities and he has an intimate knowledge of opposition teams. He understands trends and changes in the game and has Level 2 Coaching qualifications.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Hi fellow St Kilda supporters, I just joined Bigfooty. I have been a reader of your posts for a while but felt compelled to join and post on this topic. IMO I don't care what anyone else in AFL circles says. We need to go out and be aggressive in recruiting a new coach. We have to get the best out there, not necessarily available but the best coach out there. IMO that is Mick Malthouse. Mick has said that he has not finished coaching and still has a passion for it. He has also said that if you are out of the coaching circle for even one year, your gone. We are the only club left for Mick to have a go at if he is even considering staying in coaching. And if Mick has said he doesn't want to come to St Kilda then ask him what we need to do to make it happen, AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

If we can't get Mick across the line my next preference would be Ken Hinkley. He is highly rated, has been in the system for quite a long time and had a great apprenticeship. He has coached his own side to a premiership and been involved in teams that have won AFL premierships. His profile say that His key responsibilities are the side's 'attacking' capabilities and he has an intimate knowledge of opposition teams. He understands trends and changes in the game. Supporters and commentators have criticised our game plan as being too defensive IMO the best bet if we can’t get Malthouse.


Ken Hinkley

Gold Coast - Asst. Coach
DOB:30/09/1966
Playing record:
Fitzroy 1987-1988: 11 games, 21 goals
Geelong 1989-1995: 121 games, 58 goals
B & F 1992
Captain 1995
All Aust 1991 & 1992
State Representative
3 Grand Finals
Coaching record:
Mortlake Coach 1996-1998
Camperdown Coach 1999-2000: P'Ships 1999 & 2000
St Kilda Asst. Coach 2001
Bell Park Coach 2002-2003: P'Ship 2003
Geelong Asst. Coach 2004-2009: P'Ship 2007
Gold Coast Asst. Coach 2010-2011
Ken's outstanding background in coaching enables him to cover off many areas of modern football. His key responsibilities are the side's 'attacking' capabilities and he has an intimate knowledge of opposition teams. He understands trends and changes in the game and has Level 2 Coaching qualifications.

Let's get one thing straight......

MICK MALTHOUSE WILL NOT COACH ST KILDA in 2012!!!!!

a). He is far too expensive
b). He is an ass-clown who isn't liked by anyone at the club.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

All other vacancies have been filled, so we might as well take our time, investigate thoroughly and do all we can to find the best candidate.

Succinct, yet accurate
No need to madly scurry around and appoint just "anyone"

Who says the other 3 clubs have appointed the "best available" candidate anyway?

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Sanderson, McCartney, Richardson.

It will come down to what we can afford. There will be no Million Dollar contracts on offer.

I think the 3 above...with Burns, Tudor and Neeld.

Well, 3 of my 6 have gone.


we are now left with:

Alan Richardson
Scott Watters
Scott Burns
Lee Tudor
Ken Hinkley.

Interestingly, All 3 Geelong boys who have been recently appointed were considered outsiders for the jobs. Just goes to show that these Coaching panels the clubs set up are able to quickly determine who is the best candidate for the job during interviews/due dilligence etc. (same with Ross's appointment 5 years ago).

i trust that our coaching panel will able to follow suit.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Let's get one thing straight......

MICK MALTHOUSE WILL NOT COACH ST KILDA in 2012!!!!!

a). He is far too expensive
b). He is an ass-clown who isn't liked by everyone at the club.

But please Winmar07, don't let this put you off posting in future

 

[One 2 Roo]

There is such a small "motivational" component of coaching at this level nowadays that a playing coach becomes a ridiculous suggestion. It doesn't even work at local level any more.

Harvey would need the support of a senior assistant with head coaching experience, like an Eade or Craig (I don't think Laidley has the goods in either role), but the longer it goes on, the more likely it seems to me that Banger will get the job.

Remember Harvey was part of perhaps the three most attacking St Kilda teams ever (1991-1992 under Sheldon, 1997 under Alves, 2004-2006 under Thomas), so we would probably be built around contested footy followed by quick ball movement.

What I'd really want to hear from any prospective coaching candidate is where footy should go next - post press. What new system (and just having great kicks like Hawthorn is not a system) will defeat the press? That's where we need to be looking.

I thought RL was on to this towrads the end of this season with the basketball type press leading to a fast break that often resulted in 3 on situations in our forward line and most times an easy goal. I can see him utilising the pace available over there to take this one step further.

If banger does get the job, I hope we get rocket as the director of football and the junk yard dog as senior assistant. We need to learn from the Brisbane-Voss situation and assume that Banger is going to need help. (Lean toward the Essendon model.)

 

[stkildathunda]

Quite possibly we might know within 24-48 hours.