Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2007

[Turbocat]

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So considering we have removed King , Charlie and H , would be odds on to also delist Spencer one would have to think we will trade a tallish keyposition kid at some stage as well as a young ruckman.
So apart from the obvious like Henderson who do we think might be looked at?

 

[Reg Hickey]

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So considering we have removed King , Charlie and H , would be odds on to also delist Spencer one would have to think we will trade a tallish keyposition kid at some stage as well as a young ruckman.
So apart from the obvious like Henderson who do we think might be looked at?

I think there's a good chance that Spencer and S Hunt will be delisted, and that Grima will miss out on promotion from the rookie list. If even part of that is the case, we will need to load up on some new talls in the draft.

I think we will most likely have three pre-Donohue picks, and I think we need to look tall with all of them. I would be looking for a ruckman, a tall forward and a tall defender. Henderson would be great, but he will also be gone by the time #17 comes around.

Here are some guys that I am aware of who might be reasonable prospects:

FIRST PICK (#17)
Ruck: McEvoy (probably gone by our pick), Bellchambers
Forward: Henderson (again, probably gone) Gourdis, Gaertner
Defender: Rance (again, probably gone), Pears, Collier, Myers

LATER PICKS (#34, #44)
Ruck: D. Simpson, Renton, Mulligan, Sullivan
Forward: Gaertner (might still be around), S. Simpson, Notte
Defender: Kangars, Scotty Thompson, McKenna

Of course there will be a whole lot of others as well, especially for the later picks.

I'm keenest on Rance, Pears, Gourdis and Myers - I think any one of those with our first pick would be an absolute winner. By our later picks we might be best served by a high-risk athletic type like Kangars, or a left-field mature age option like Scott Thompson. The ruckmen I think are a bit of a crapshoot, but there's some reasonable projects in there and I think we should be seriously thinking about taking one in the draft and another one in the rookie draft.

 

[Rosso]

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Best available with no.1, then Chris Kangars, Scott Thompson and Adam Donohue. That'll sure us up defensive wise and odds are that our first round pick will be used on either a mid or a ruck that slid down the pecking order a bit.

I like the look of Thompson, really plays the modern day defender to a tee. Kangars is a good size but it is his athletic abilities that may appeal more as a running backman. Donahue will define why we are using 4 picks. If another club bids for him, it's likely not to be in the first two rounds so we should be able to sew him up with our 4th rounder.

Great minds think alike eh Reg.

Now as far as a Rookie ruck prospect goes how about Stefan Martin (I think that's his name). I believe he played for Sandy in the VFL this year and was in the Hun last year the week leading up for the draft saying that he may well be a smokey but never ended up getting selected. Haven't seen him play but he had big wraps and should have a fair bit of senior footy under his belt.

 

[Turbocat]

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Just how versatile/skillful is West? . Could we think that we need to increase his scope/flexibility to be able to break into our best 22 so we may give him more time back and forward in the VFL? Of course to do this we need to bring at least one ruckman , maybe two onto the list.

Maybe 1 , an early pick and the 2nd a Rookie type. West seems a likely type and he was a pick in the 30's so Dawson Simpson Mulligan or Sullivan sound good. Perhaps somebody from Well's Black bag for the Rookie spot.

Just pick the best available with P17. Add a guy like Otten or Kangars with R3 and Son of Larry with R4.

VFL players are continually underrated , look at Egan and Davenport so , I'd say we will risk that Thompson to last until our 1st Rookie pick. To be honest I wouldn't mind them picking a couple of the VFL side

 

[Reg Hickey]

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Just how versatile/skillful is West? . Could we think that we need to increase his scope/flexibility to be able to break into our best 22 so we may give him more time back and forward in the VFL? Of course to do this we need to bring at least one ruckman , maybe two onto the list.

Maybe 1 , an early pick and the 2nd a Rookie type. West seems a likely type and he was a pick in the 30's so Dawson Simpson Mulligan or Sullivan sound good. Perhaps somebody from Well's Black bag for the Rookie spot.

Just pick the best available with P17. Add a guy like Otten or Kangars with R3 and Son of Larry with R4.

VFL players are continually underrated , look at Egan and Davenport so , I'd say we will risk that Thompson to last until our 1st Rookie pick. To be honest I wouldn't mind them picking a couple of the VFL side

Well now we know that Spencer, S Hunt, Owen, Reynolds and Grima are all gone, in addition to King, Playfair, Gardiner and Callan. That leaves us five spots on the senior list and four on the rookie list.

I think West is pretty mobile and skilful for his size, and in his third year so should be getting close to a run at AFL level next year (certainty to do so if Blake or Ottens go down). But I still think we need TWO more ruckmen, and I agree with Turbo that our best bet might be to pick one up in the main draft who could play seniors in 2008 or 2009 if he had to, and a raw project player who will need 3-4 years in the VFL in the rookie draft.

Given who we have lost I still think we need a tall defender AND a tall forward as well. The rumour is that we WON'T go for Scott Thompson in the main draft but might rookie him, which is fine with me. I also agree with Turbo that a couple of other VFL-listed players might eb worth a rookie spot - Cheep, Hollmer and Firman come to mind.

It looks like five picks in the main draft, but I do think there is a chance we will preserve one for the PSD and see if Fergus Watts is still available. If I remember correctly we were interested when the Saints picked him up a couple of years ago, and may see him as a readymade back up - sort of a new Joel Reynolds or a forward version of Sam Hunt. The fact that Reynolds and Grima have both been let go makes this much more likely to my mind. And if he goes too early for us, we can still pick up an undrafted kid with that pick.

 

[Reg Hickey]

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Could we get rid of six players?

Spencer, Gardiner, Playfair, S Hunt all seem to be gone at the moment. Rookie Owen and if Callan goes to the Dogs...it's possible.

We might even get rid of seven!

Add King to your list, plus a couple of rookies in Reynolds and Grima makes nine all up!

 

[Turbocat]

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It really would be interesting to sit down with SW and have a look at his play book. I suspect he not only would recriut with this draft in mind but with any potential "lock-ins" we have in the system. "Lock-ins" ??. What I mean is future Father Sons and NSW/International Rookies.
For eg.I'm sure with the knowledge that Tom was comin soon he could slant the list slightly short. I'm not if we have any FatherSons of Hawkins quality on the horizon , (I know Tom has a brother but its not what I mean) but if we did have a tall coming soon we may just go light on for talls for a while.The only FS that Ive heard of are vanilla sized like Donohue.
The NSW kids we signed up , Temple and Ediriwickrama . From memory Temple is quite tall so again if we are to take him we have to take his future position in to account.

As to us being in the PSD , I'm not sure about that.
Just who is going to be available that would will be better than if we had kept Gardiner or H. To me , we have only a couple of immediate spots available in our side and we probably have the guys to come in cover us, If they are fit.
Byrnes is under pressure. Tenace,Varcoe and Prismall are going to make life very hard for him.Egan would come straight back in but is Egan's foot OK? If not then Lonergan may just get a quicker re-intro to the big time. After TL we are a bit thin so maybe here we might be tempted to look at a tall guy in the PSD who could step in and do a job for us. But why not just get hold of one of the guys we have talked about - Rance , Pears, Collier, Kangars etc. and trust SW's judgment.

 

[Rosso]

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There was a little rumour doing the rounds that the Saints recruiting department were looking very closely at the VFL Premiers. Apparently Davenport & Jay Cheep were high on the shopping list as was Thompson after his finals performance (didn't help our rookie listing cause with Jarrod Malloy saying that he was a certainty to get on an AFL list).

Very keen to get Scotty on our senior list and wouldn't want to wait til pick 16 of the rookie draft to secure him. I'm sure that the officials from Coburg's AFL alligned side (Tiggers) would have seen enough of the key defender's traits to jot his name down in their books.

 

[windows]

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There was a little rumour doing the rounds that the Saints recruiting department were looking very closely at the VFL Premiers. Apparently Davenport & Jay Cheep were high on the shopping list as was Thompson after his finals performance (didn't help our rookie listing cause with Jarrod Malloy saying that he was a certainty to get on an AFL list).

Very keen to get Scotty on our senior list and wouldn't want to wait til pick 16 of the rookie draft to secure him. I'm sure that the officials from Coburg's AFL alligned side (Tiggers) would have seen enough of the key defender's traits to jot his name down in their books.

I'd be surprised if he is there for the rookie draft. I'm hoping the Blues draft him.

 

[thejester]

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Sensational reading Turbo and Reg, lovely analysis.

However, do we really need another tall forward? ATM we have one sitting outside our best 22 (Hawkins), have Lonergan coming up, and could potentially play two rucks and Ottens for back up in desperate circumstances.

 

[Reg Hickey]

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Sensational reading Turbo and Reg, lovely analysis.

However, do we really need another tall forward? ATM we have one sitting outside our best 22 (Hawkins), have Lonergan coming up, and could potentially play two rucks and Ottens for back up in desperate circumstances.

This is my reasoning:

(1) Lonergan is more likely to be a defender at AFL level. I admit his VFL performances in the forward line (especially in the GF) were good, but having seen him play quite a few times now I just think he is a better defender. Even in the GF he played a magnificent first half in defence, completely destroying Jack Riewoldt.

(2) We need Ottens in the ruck as much as possible. He's very dangerous up in the forward line for a few spells a game, but when you get down to it he's a ruckman. We tried to play him mainly as a forward for two years before 2007 and it is not the answer.

(3) That leaves us with just three real key forwards. I could see us potentially playing all three in the ones in the right circumstances, but that would leave us with next to no back-up - just a utility who is probably a better defender (Lonergan) and a ruckman (Ottens) - and if we get an injury run like Adelaide did this year in those circumstances, we're stuffed.

(4) Mooney will be 28 at the start of next season. Given it usually takes 2-3 years for KPPs to develop after they're drafted, we need to pick up someone this year to be ready for when Moons is no longer around.

 

[Turbocat]

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Sensational reading Turbo and Reg, lovely analysis.

However, do we really need another tall forward? ATM we have one sitting outside our best 22 (Hawkins), have Lonergan coming up, and could potentially play two rucks and Ottens for back up in desperate circumstances.

There is no doubt we need to picks talls the question is what type
As I posted previously , I wouldn't mind trying to broaden West skillset. If we take it that Ottens will be our #1 ruckman for a while yet , If we take it that Blake will be our #1 backup it will be very difficult West to be a legit option to break into our side without injuries.If however he can show he can be an option on the forwardline , be a player who can cover down back he because far more valuable.

Its for this reason I see us getting 2 more rucks.

Now as far a Key Position players , I like us to focus on the attributes we like rather than the position they play. Look at Dasher , his early games were on the HFF , he then moved into the midfield and finally became a key part to our backline. Mackie seems to be following a similar path. Rather than focus on a forward or back I'd rather try to add quality to our list. The type of quality that can add to our senior group. Athletic talls that can play against the Franklins and play ruck in a pinch and be legit options up forwardline but perhaps in a different way that Hawkins and Nathan do.

 

[CF]

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As I said in another thread I have heard a very strong rumor that a young player named Grant Bell who plays for the Ballarat Rebels in the ?TAC has recieved a letter from Geelong and Port that they wish to draft him this year.

 

[sarah.13]

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As I said in another thread I have heard a very strong rumor that a young player named Grant Bell who plays for the Ballarat Rebels in the ?TAC has recieved a letter from Geelong and Port that they wish to draft him this year.

Do you have any further info on the kid?
All i've been able to find out is that he was in Vic.Country U18's squad.

 

[Turbocat]

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As I said in another thread I have heard a very strong rumor that a young player named Grant Bell who plays for the Ballarat Rebels in the ?TAC has recieved a letter from Geelong and Port that they wish to draft him this year.

Since when do player receive letters from clubs fortelling of their interest. Why would they send it? Dont they interview prospective draftee's at draft camps.
At what stage could any club really guarantee any kid getting drafted except maybe the #1 pick.

 

[CF]

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Since when do player receive letters from clubs fortelling of their interest. Why would they send it? Dont they interview prospective draftee's at draft camps.
At what stage could any club really guarantee any kid getting drafted except maybe the #1 pick.

From what I am told Grant didn't attend any draft camps so he would not have been interviewed as you are suggesting. I agree I was skeptical about the letter part myself but I am just telling you a rumor not giving you hard facts

 

[GeeCat]

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Fairly certain Bell was a late addition to the Draft Camp.

Generally agree with Turbo though, skeptic over the rumoured guarantee for what would be a late pick in the draft. Perhaps a notice of interest, more likely. We'll see.

 

[gocats88]

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do we still get pick 44 from the trade we did with henry playfair to sydney.

 

[thejester]

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do we still get pick 44 from the trade we did with henry playfair to sydney.

Yeah. It's our last one before we pick Donohue.

 

[Reg Hickey]

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Yeah. It's our last one before we pick Donohue.

No, we've got five spots on our list, so unless we keep one for the PSD (very unlikely I would think) we will have #17, #34, #44 and #50 as live picks before we take Donohue with #62.

 

[thejester]

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No, we've got five spots on our list, so unless we keep one for the PSD (very unlikely I would think) we will have #17, #34, #44 and #50 as live picks before we take Donohue with #62.

My mistake, for some reason I thought we were taking Donohue at #59.

 

[Turbocat]

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I think both is correct. We had 62 but after the final delisting the actual order was compacted because some clubs do not have the capacity to use more picks.
So our 50th pick will be the 49th selection and our 62nd pick will be the 59th selection and will be used on SOL

 

[Reg Hickey]

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I think both is correct. We had 62 but after the final delisting the actual order was compacted because some clubs do not have the capacity to use more picks.
So our 50th pick will be the 49th selection and our 62nd pick will be the 59th selection and will be used on SOL

I think that's right.

The original point though was that we have another pick (#49 / #50) between #44 and Donohue.

 

[rizzo]

Rizzo's Mock Draft

Pick #01 - Carlton – Matthew Kreuzer – Northern Knights – Ruck
Carlton have already committed to this big fella. Is extremely athletic and gives it his all. He won pretty much every award in the TAC cup this year. Carlton ruck stocks are low and he will add some quality to a growing midfield of superstars. Can kick goals, as shown by his 6 goal haul in one TAC cup game. Only missed one training session for the year so he can play through injury very well. Just needs to work more now on his over head marking

Pick #02 - Richmond – Trent Cotchin – Northern Knights – Midfield
Quality midfielder and something the Richmond are after. The pressure will be on Miller and his crew to get a gem from this pick with recent lower pick failings. One thing they won’t want to do is make the same mistake they did a few years ago by taking Tambling over Franklin. This pressure should be enough to see them take Cotchin. He has great balance and awareness and he reads the game very well for a 18 year old. Despite being a bottom age player this year he was a vice captain, so his leadership skills are also very good.

Pick #03 – West Coast – Rhys Palmer – East Fremantle – Midfield
Many people would have thought Morton would be snapped up by the eagles. However I the loss of Judd will see them take a quality midfielder in Palmer. He played senior football all year, where his excellent disposal by foot was on show. A big bonus for him is his endurance so he can spend longer periods in the midfield.

Pick #04 – Melbourne – Cale Morton – Claremont – Tall Forward
Spent a lot of time playing for his school, however had a fantastic championship. Really athletic for a tall bloke. May turn into a tall midfielder however he can go either forward or back. The demons would love some versatility in their team and Morton will be the perfect fit.

Pick #05 - Bulldogs– Lachie Henderson – Geelong Falcons – Tall Forward
The dogs are on a mission to boost their tall stocks and Henderson looks like the player they will go for. He is fantastic in pack situations, and is mobile around the ground. He broke his leg and missed a lot of footy this year, however many people liken him to a young Matthew Pavlich.

Pick #06 – Essendon – Brad Ebert – Port Adelaide – Midfield
Didn’t take him long to settle into senior football after starting the year in the reserves. Played mostly up forward but will turn into a midfielder with some pre seasons. Very good around the ground and has great endurance. Essendon will love a player like him after recent retirements and delistings.

Pick #07 - Fremantle– Alex Rance – Swan Districts –Tall back
The Dockers will be looking for another tall defender to develop in their squad. They seem to lack a real quality Tall defender, something Rance is. Got selected as an All-Australian after playing most of the year in the Colts. Has great speed for a big man.

Pick #08 – Brisbane – David Myers – Perth – Tall Back
One main weakness the Lions have is a lack of tall defenders. He is athletic enough to play in the midfield. He carries the ball well and has a racking left foot. Has a real confidence about the way he plays which will see him slip into senior football pretty easily

Pick #09 – St Kilda – Ben McEvoy – Murray Bushrangers – Ruck
The Saints will want another tall to add to their list. With an ageing ruck stock, McEvoy seems like the perfect fit. Can play either end and has been equally as good in each position he plays. The saints will want him to turn into a ruckman so he can replace King and relieve Kosi.

Pick #10 – Adelaide– Chris Masten – East Fremantle – Midfield
Adelaide with the loss of the Roo will be looking for a quality onballer to join their brigade. Has slipped into senior football well and has played a lot of representative football. Can really take games by the scruff of the neck with his good disposal and his work around the packs.

Pick #11 – Sydney – Tayte Pears – East Peth – Tall Defender
Sydney will be after a tall defender as their backs start to kick on in age. Was unlucky not to make the All-Australian side. He will be settled into travelling after spending most of the season coming down from the county to play for East Perth.

Pick #12 - Hawthorn – Tom Collier – Lauderdale – Tall Back
Tall defenders seem the order of the year, and the Hawks will look towards Tom Collier as their solution. Tom is a big man who acts like a midfielder and has great athleticism. Will fit into the Hawks game plan extremely well and will be seen as a running defender.

Pick #13 – West Coast – Jack Grimes – Northern – Midfielder
Another midfield boosting move by the Eagles. Had some back problems earlier in the year, however he is totally over them. Grimes can also go down back and play a running defender role. Highly skilled player who you hardly see turn the ball over.

Pick #14 – Melbourne – Cyril Rioli – St Mary’s – Small Forward
Cyril struggled with injury and never really peaked at full fitness. Every time he stepped out onto the pitch he kicked goals. Played as a lead up forward in the champs, but will be a genuine small leading forward at AFL level. The Dees will look at him to help out the likes of Robertson and Neitz. Is a quality player who won’t get home sick.

Pick #15 - Kangaroos– David Gourdis – Tall Forward – Subiaco
Nathan Thompson is the Roos only real tall forward, so they will look at Gourdis as a player who they can mold to take over his role. He can crash packs, however his foot skills are a little inconsistent. David had a sensational Draft camp where he equaled the 20m sprint record and smashed the vertical leap record.

Pick #16 – Port Adelaide – Jarrod Grant – Dandenong – Tall Forward
Another tall that will be taken this time by Port Adelaide. A presenting forward with excellent straight line speed. One thing that will really impress the recruiters is his genuine goal kicking ability. Would fit well into the Powers forward line.

Pick #17 - Geelong – Steve Gaetner – Dandenong – Tall Back
Steve Gaetner is a real athlete rather than a footballer, however he has a lot of improvement and ability. Still has a lot of work to do, however works really well offensively. Could play on a wing but is suited to play tall down back. Geelong need a tall forward and with a lot of depth can afford to take a project player.

Pick #18 - Richmond – Tom Bellchambers – Northern Bombers – Ruck
Seeing Richmond take an interest in Guy Richards tells me they need a ruckman. Bellchambers is the second best ruck going around behind Kruezer. Is a true tap ruckman, however he needs to work more around the ground. Saw a game he played against Casey in the VFL where he beat Matthew Clarke who is a really experienced AFL player.

Pick #19 – Western Bulldogs – Marlon Motlop – NT Thunder – Forward
The search for another forward will see the Dogs take Marlon Motlop. Plays a similar role to Brad Johnson which will get Dogs supporters excited. Finishes really well once inside 50. Not limited to the forward line, because he can play on the wing.

Pick #20 - West Coast – Scott Selwood - Bendigo – Midfielder
Really tough running defender and midfielder. The Eagles will look to reunite Adam and Scott to their midfield. Scott is tough at the pack and at the person who never gives up. His disposal is very good and works tirelessly. Has great endurance and is able to get to the packs well.

More Tommorrow

 

[bigdroppunt]

Re: Rizzo's Mock Draft

No S.Dew ?