Potential training breach?

[1990crow]

Look who’s getting salty now

How can his employer allow him to tweet that seriously.

 

[Mego Red]

I still follow the club and I keep up to speed (relatively) with the league and forums, but I'm so disillusioned with the whole lot at the moment. At a club level and league level. The whole thing, combined with the rabid media, is just a cesspool. Throw in a disjointed season and I'm just about done.

I never thought I'd say it, but I kind of feel the same way.

The media have especially turned me off, and I've been surprisingly uninterested.

 

[jenny61_99]

My god, the over reaction in here is unbe****inglievable.

 

[Peter Doherty]

The Club and the players are dumb. Did they think they could get away with it? You can't do a thing in South Australia/Australia/the world(!) without someone seeing and informing on you.

Covid1984

 

[Mego Red]

The only clubs who have to worry about it reside outside Victoria and NSW. The rule has also been in place for about a week and given restrictions are likely to be eased in those states by next week, does this really matter in the scheme of things? They’ve deserved criticism for a lot of other issues in the past, but this just seems petty.

I hate when our club gets dragged through the media, but people will forget/won’t care next week when all clubs can train as groups of 10 anyway.

West Coast players trained in a group. Then this ruling came in to protect Victorian clubs, and WCE is still training in a group; just only handballing to the guy opposite them, not the guy next to them.

This is so ridiculously minor.

 

[Mismatched]

That’s a very long rant for a very minor mishap that was only brought in because Victorian clubs complained.

It is the most ridiculously petty rule the AFL has ever brought in, especially when Victorian clubs will be at a massive advantage when games start back up and we can’t play home games for a while.

All other rules are state based right now, so why are the AFL above that?

Mate, you're missing the point. If this was a once off miss-hap, I think we'd be far more understanding. No one, well apart from Sam Maclure, is really suggesting this is a massive breach in and of itself.

The AFL is effectively trying to negotiate with multiple levels of government a way around strict travel rules to get a season going. Part of the success of that negotiation would rely on players being able to follow simple quarantine/social distancing instructions.

With regards to what AMS said, its just the sheer number of these stupid f ups that the club appears to be happening. We were supposed to have "turned a corner" after the external review, yet in the past month or so we've managed to:
- Have a rather public and questionable exit of a popular assistant coach
- Have our CEO claim that "8 players" had already been cut, albeit he did mean to say staff
- Had a player not only drink drive, but to do it in an unregistered vehicle.
- Manage to bungle our messaging regarding said DUI offence
- Have a board member appear to threaten players that they'd be delisted if they didn't agree to go into the hubs
- Now this!!!!

This after all the shit that we endured last year, and the year before, and the pathetic GF appearance and fall out.

As a fan, each one of these is probably pretty minor (except for perhaps the DUI) in isolation, you brush it off, but the hits just keep coming. Its like death from a thousand paper cuts!

Good on you BACCS if you can keep brushing these off as "nothing events" and keep plugging along as if our club is in great shape, but I'm sorry, something is rotten to the core at our club. We made some inroads last year to perhaps improving things, but there's still a long way to go.

 

[Mismatched]

West Coast players trained in a group. Then this ruling came in to protect Victorian clubs, and WCE is still training in a group; just only handballing to the guy opposite them, not the guy next to them.

This is so ridiculously minor.

In the grand scheme of things, ie infection control etc, yes, its pretty minor.

But when we've delayed the rest of the competition from expanding training to larger groups because our guys are stuck in this very same quarantine camp?

Quite frankly, we probably deserve a $20,000 fine as a club, $2,000 fine and 2 week suspension for each player/coach involved and move on. Mainly just because of the stupidity of it happening in the first place and the general "optics" of the whole scenario.

Unless Hart was under direct instructions from Nicks to bring the guys into larger groups, which is a much, much more serious situation, I think this has to be the last straw for Ben Hart. Players are young and stupid, most were probably sub 25 and if your coach say jump, they say "how high". But Ben played over 300 games and has now been an assistant coach for 12 or so years. He is THE most experienced coach (in terms of years served at AFL level) at our club, let that sink in...

 

[Deaneus!]

Commission meeting to rule on training protocols

AFL seeking clarity on whether three groups of 10 can train at the same time

www.afl.com.au

**** this controlling body bullshit

It just looks like another application of Murphy's Golden Rule:

Whoever has the gold, makes the rules

 

[cleanhands]

In the grand scheme of things, ie infection control etc, yes, its pretty minor.

But when we've delayed the rest of the competition from expanding training to larger groups because our guys are stuck in this very same quarantine camp?

Quite frankly, we probably deserve a $20,000 fine as a club, $2,000 fine and 2 week suspension for each player/coach involved and move on. Mainly just because of the stupidity of it happening in the first place and the general "optics" of the whole scenario.

Unless Hart was under direct instructions from Nicks to bring the guys into larger groups, which is a much, much more serious situation, I think this has to be the last straw for Ben Hart. Players are young and stupid, most were probably sub 25 and if your coach say jump, they say "how high". But Ben played over 300 games and has now been an assistant coach for 12 or so years. He is THE most experienced coach (in terms of years served at AFL level) at our club, let that sink in...

If they can’t get their communication right amongst coaches, what hope have they got delivering it to players

 

[hey shorty]

So SAPOL have now said they can train by themselves.

Hardly worth it, given what we set out to do there. Well done Mr Hart, anything we could have gained through this has now gone.

 

[1990crow]

Genuinely fearful we can expect loss of draft picks.

 

[Jack is Back]

After the Victorian media blew this totally out of proportion, the usual TOOLS and TROLLS jumped on the bandwagon.

The purpose of the 14 day isolation for travellers arriving from overseas is to protect everyone else in Australia. It could be argued that placing them in a hotel together may increase their chance of picking up the virus from a fellow traveller but it protects the rest of us. The police are not amused if they sneak out of the hotel for a quick “liason” and some people have been prosecuted for this. SAPOL are not wandering around the hotel checking whether anyone is having a quickie with a fellow traveller.p whilst in isolation.

Our players have created ZERO danger to anyone in the general SA community and if one of our players has the virus and passes it on to other players then it’s our problem, the rest of SA is protected. Pure common sense suggests that SAPOL would have ZERO interest if three of our players were having a coffee and were less than 1.5 metres apart.

But, but, but it was soooooo irresponsible having 18 players in the same resort. If as expected, the AFL allows training in groups of ten next week then the other 400+ Victorian based players will rock up to training and be split into groups of ten. If our 18 naughty boys played for a Vic club would they be dangerous sources of infection for their team mates? I appreciate that there might be a minuscule additional risk for players based in Victoria and even more so in NSW but if the risk was significant we wouldn’t be removing the Covid restrictions Australia wide.

We have broken the AFL equity rules so perhaps a fair punishment would be for us to play all away matches this year, and all Grand Finals at the MCG for the next 30 years.

 

[hey shorty]

Genuinely fearful we can expect loss of draft picks.

I wouldn't think so, that would be manifestly excessive for a 45 minute idiotic breach.

 

[Vhaluus]

I think you missed my point, being a bit sarcastic and tongue in cheek, but forgot how serious people have become over last few months.

Woops I actually did completely miss that. My bad man.

 

[Mismatched]

Genuinely fearful we can expect loss of draft picks.

Shouldn't be in the conversation, but yes, I don't trust the AFL one bit, especially when its pissed off.

Again, why must we keep giving them opportunities to punish us???

 

[1990crow]

I wouldn't think so, that would be manifestly excessive for a 45 minute idiotic breach.

Shouldn't be in the conversation, but yes, I don't trust the AFL one bit, especially when its pissed off.

Again, why must we keep giving them opportunities to punish us???

I agree. But we have given the AFL the opportunity to do it. And I am worried.

 

[hey shorty]

I agree. But we have given the AFL the opportunity to do it. And I am worried.

It'll be a reasonably hefty financial punishment, with a slice suspended.

Expect the players and Hart to cop a fine too, maybe Ben gets sacked.... please.

 

[King Elvis]

Still overseas and can't be bothered reading up on all of the information.

Can someone give me a summary of what happened?

Group of players in quarantine in the Barossa Valley, 10-12 of them trained together?

 

[hey shorty]

Still overseas and can't be bothered reading up on all of the information.

Can someone give me a summary of what happened?

Group of players in quarantine in the Barossa Valley, 10-12 of them trained together?

Group of 16 at the Novotel. Given a SAPOL exemption to do so.

Momentarily trained as a group of 8 after spending the majority in pairs, broke no state law but AFL guidelines.

SAPOL cleared us of wrongdoing

Sam McClure goes berserk.

 

[slice]

It'll be a reasonably hefty financial punishment, with a slice suspended.

Expect the players and Hart to cop a fine too, maybe Ben gets sacked.... please.

Hey!

 

[Mego Red]

In the grand scheme of things, ie infection control etc, yes, its pretty minor.

But when we've delayed the rest of the competition from expanding training to larger groups because our guys are stuck in this very same quarantine camp?

Quite frankly, we probably deserve a $20,000 fine as a club, $2,000 fine and 2 week suspension for each player/coach involved and move on. Mainly just because of the stupidity of it happening in the first place and the general "optics" of the whole scenario.

Unless Hart was under direct instructions from Nicks to bring the guys into larger groups, which is a much, much more serious situation, I think this has to be the last straw for Ben Hart. Players are young and stupid, most were probably sub 25 and if your coach say jump, they say "how high". But Ben played over 300 games and has now been an assistant coach for 12 or so years. He is THE most experienced coach (in terms of years served at AFL level) at our club, let that sink in...

How will we have delayed the rest of the comp?

We've already been cleared by SAPOL.

 

[King Elvis]

Group of 16 at the Novotel. Given a SAPOL exemption to do so.

Momentarily trained as a group of 8 after spending the majority in pairs, broke no state law but AFL guidelines.

SAPOL cleared us of wrongdoing

Sam McClure goes berserk.

That's it?

So another dumb mistake from the AFC, but surely warrants a stern reminder that training in groups that large is currently not permitted, and that's the end of it.

 

[kulak]

You would imagine Nicks/Kelly and co are absolutely livid with Hart and the players behind closed doors.

I reckon blaming "communication" is basically a very diplomatic way of saying "I'm not sure how I could have made it any clearer, 8 groups of 2 players... but this ****-*** has managed to interpret it as 2 groups of 8!!!" You know, technically there was an issue with "communication".

Weird that 16 players, an assistant coach and a dietician all misunderstood the communication in the same way.

I guess 1-2 people misunderstood, and the rest were too ignorant or spineless to say “hey I’m not sure we are supposed to do this”

 

[eathb]

Good, so now it’s only Gil the human dishcloth’s opinion

In pairs, fu** off VFL

Gil is literally a Crows supporter, come on.

 

[Tadpole]

It'll be a reasonably hefty financial punishment, with a slice suspended.

Expect the players and Hart to cop a fine too, maybe Ben gets sacked.... please.

If he got sacked, we'd be a H(e)art-less club.