Game Day Practice Match up in QLD v the reigning premier

[spenze]

The destination being ROB cancels out the better angle.

The best part was he laced out Fogarty on the lead which resulted in a goal.

The worst part was he was actually having a shot at the goal. Lucky for us, Fog knows his ruckmans flaws and lead to where he thought the shank would go.

 

[AFC979810]

The worst part was he was actually having a shot at the goal. Lucky for us, Fog knows his ruckmans flaws and lead to where he thought the shank would go.

Why can I see another poster quoting this as truth in a couple of weeks!

 

[Mutineer]

 

[spenze]

6.36 minute mark he admits he was kicking for goal when he hit Fog on the chest for our second to last goal.

 

[ams4crows]

6.36 minute mark he admits he was kicking for goal when he hit Fog on the chest for our second to last goal.

Explains why he hit Fog on the chest because the ball was going nowhere near the goals

 

[AFC979810]

6.36 minute mark he admits he was kicking for goal when he hit Fog on the chest for our second to last goal.

I do not like this one bit.

 

[GreyCrow]

I do not like this one bit.

Which part?

It makes what I said more likely - that the coaching group has instructed the square up instead of chasing the angles

What I guess you are saying is that RoB extended his belief on his kicking abilities

 

[AFC979810]

Which part?

The part where posters will start to believe that ROB was kicking for goal when he passed to FOG.

It makes what I said more likely - that the coaching group has instructed the square up instead of chasing the angles

What? What did you say and when?

What I guess you are saying is that RoB extended his belief on his kicking abilities

What a horrible guess. I am saying ROB was passing to FOG. Damn you spenze

 

[cmndstab]

I feel like that's the longest I've ever heard ROB speak.

He speaks pretty well.

 

[Mostyn]

6.36 minute mark he admits he was kicking for goal when he hit Fog on the chest for our second to last goal.

Lol, I fell for that and went and listened.

 

[dogs105]

6.36 minute mark he admits he was kicking for goal when he hit Fog on the chest for our second to last goal.

I was more interested in him saying that Nicks is a stubborn tool at 7:21.

 

[GreyCrow]

I liked the bit where he didnt shut down any contract talks

 

[CrowinNT]

I liked the bit where he didnt shut down any contract talks

Yes indeed.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Great comeback and good win, but I'm still worried about the team icing the game in a close finish. Brisbane had the last 2 shots at goal and it was just luck that they missed. Do we have a strategy for this or not?

 

[GreyCrow]

Great comeback and good win, but I'm still worried about the team icing the game in a close finish. Brisbane had the last 2 shots at goal and it was just luck that they missed. Do we have a strategy for this or not?

Prayer

 

[GreyCrow]

Great comeback and good win, but I'm still worried about the team icing the game in a close finish. Brisbane had the last 2 shots at goal and it was just luck that they missed. Do we have a strategy for this or not?

To be fair I havent seen it - was it like Essendon and Merrett where he ran it out of a tap by Draper and blasted away - or was it a deliberate build up to gain ground before blazing away?

 

[GreyCrow]

Thing is its a difficult one to work if its from the centre square - the 6-6-6 rule means you cant stack the backline

You must depend on your rucks and midfielders to get it out. But how do you do that?

Do you attack and get caught as we did with Merrett or do you defend and it becomes a scrum?

Do you instruct the ruck to nullify and let the smalls get it out - probably the higher percentage play

Or do you instruct the ruck to try and thump it as far as possible - not sure thats possible with some rucks - its a nice play but ends up mostly putting the ball into the oncoming half back flanker

 

[Apsaalooke]

Thing is its a difficult one to work if its from the centre square - the 6-6-6 rule means you cant stack the backline

You must depend on your rucks and midfielders to get it out. But how do you do that?

Do you attack and get caught as we did with Merrett or do you defend and it becomes a scrum?

Do you instruct the ruck to nullify and let the smalls get it out - probably the higher percentage play

Or do you instruct the ruck to try and thump it as far as possible - not sure thats possible with some rucks - its a nice play but ends up mostly putting the ball into the oncoming half back flanker

Not sure how the ball got there for the 2 behinds but there was yet another forward entry with seconds to go when the ball fell just short of a mark in the 50.
Maybe one wing could start as far back as legally allowed at centre bounce then run into defence as a loose, but that can lead to an outnumber in the square.

 

[rocket18]

Great comeback and good win, but I'm still worried about the team icing the game in a close finish. Brisbane had the last 2 shots at goal and it was just luck that they missed. Do we have a strategy for this or not?

To be fair I havent seen it - was it like Essendon and Merrett where he ran it out of a tap by Draper and blasted away - or was it a deliberate build up to gain ground before blazing away?

I'm not convinced we have a plan for when we are just in front with a minute to go, all our recent close wins that we've held on for, the opposition has still had a couple of opportunities to pinch it.

Nicks is a proven moron, there is no evidence he has addressed this basic gameplan on how to finish off a game.

 

[Mutineer]

I'm not convinced we have a plan for when we are just in front with a minute to go, all our recent close wins that we've held on for, the opposition has still had a couple of opportunities to pinch it.

Nicks is a proven moron, there is no evidence he has addressed this basic gameplan on how to finish off a game.

Several players have mentioned they've trained it, maybe it's on them?

 

[rocket18]

Several players have mentioned they've trained it, maybe it's on them?

That actually makes more sense, they have trained for it but like the rest of Nicks ideas his plan stinks and doesn't work.

 

[cmndstab]

To be fair I havent seen it - was it like Essendon and Merrett where he ran it out of a tap by Draper and blasted away - or was it a deliberate build up to gain ground before blazing away?

Not really like the Essendon one, no, but it wasn't fantastic. We hit the lead with 3:08 left on the clock.

Next centre clearance, Draper bustles it forward and soccers it off the ground, but Brisbane gain the ball inside our F50. After a few pressured disposals, they get it into the corridor, and a miskick goes to Cam Rayner at around 45m straight in front, who misses. Crows are now 4 points up, with 2:02 left on the clock.

Worrell kicks out wide to O'Brien at 60m. Soligo gets the crumb but is smothered. Another smother sees the ball go to Laird, to ANB, who weights a perfect 40m pass to Pedlar, with no teammates ahead of him at all. He holds it up while our players work back into attack, before kicking to the boundary line where Brisbane end up taking an uncontested mark (the pass was ostensibly to Keays, but his opponent read it quicker). There is now 1:23 left on the clock.

Brisbane kick sideways to open up the ground, and then slice straight down the centre, using handball to avoid Crows midfielders, and hit Jasper Fletcher 45m out, nearly straight in front with 1:01 on the clock. He uses his full 30 seconds, but misses the goal. 0:28 left on the clock, three points up.

Cumming (I think?) takes the kick-in, again wide out to O'Brien at 60m. Draper gets the crumb and hacks it forward to space, Zorko gets there first and then gets around Peatling pretty easy to send it back inside 50 again. Nankervis and Worrell spoil each other and Brisbane get the crumb. Laird misses a tackle, Dawson can't stop the I50 kick in time, and it goes to 25m straight in front where Cameron just barely spills an uncontested mark with 0:01 left on the clock (he gets hands to it but can't scoop it in). The Crows hold on for a win.

So that was two times we let Brisbane transition from D50 right through the corridor, both times resulting in shots on goal from 45m out, straight in front, and then we allowed what should have been a mark from Cameron 25m out straight in front, all in the last three minutes. The only mark we managed to take in that time was the one from Pedlar. Not exactly icing the game.

 

[GreyCrow]

Not really like the Essendon one, no, but it wasn't fantastic. We hit the lead with 3:08 left on the clock.

Next centre clearance, Draper bustles it forward and soccers it off the ground, but Brisbane gain the ball inside our F50. After a few pressured disposals, they get it into the corridor, and a miskick goes to Cam Rayner at around 45m straight in front, who misses. Crows are now 4 points up, with 2:02 left on the clock.

Worrell kicks out wide to O'Brien at 60m. Soligo gets the crumb but is smothered. Another smother sees the ball go to Laird, to ANB, who weights a perfect 40m pass to Pedlar, with no teammates ahead of him at all. He holds it up while our players work back into attack, before kicking to the boundary line where Brisbane end up taking an uncontested mark (the pass was ostensibly to Keays, but his opponent read it quicker). There is now 1:23 left on the clock.

Brisbane kick sideways to open up the ground, and then slice straight down the centre, using handball to avoid Crows defenders, and hit Jasper Fletcher 45m out on nearly straight in front with 1:01 on the clock. He uses his full 30 seconds, but misses the goal. 0:28 left on the clock, three points up.

Cumming (I think?) takes the kick-in, again wide out to O'Brien at 60m. Draper gets the crumb and hacks it forward to space, Zorko gets there first and then gets around Peatling pretty easy to send it back inside 50 again. Nankervis and Worrell spoil each other and Brisbane get the crumb, then kick it to 25m where Cameron just barely misses taking an uncontested mark with 0:01 left on the clock (he gets hands to it but can't scoop it in). The Crows hold on for a win.

So that was two shots on goal from 45m out, straight in front, and what should have been a mark from Cameron 25m out straight in front, in the last three minutes. The only mark we managed to take in that time was the one from Pedlar. Not exactly icing the game.

2 kicks down the line and
1. RoB fails to mark it
2. RoB fails to punch/move the ball over the line

That would be the 2 directions I give with the punch over the line the preferred option - or at least a pretend effort that dribbles over the boundary line

 

[cmndstab]

2 kicks down the line and
1. RoB fails to mark it
2. RoB fails to punch/move the ball over the line

That would be the 2 directions I give with the punch over the line the preferred option - or at least a pretend effort that dribbles over the boundary line

Neither of the kick-ins were close enough to the boundary to be spoiled - both were at least 15m inside, with players all around the fall of the ball. I'm not sure if that was intentional, or if the kick just didn't go wide enough.

To be fair, both times we did actually manage to then win the ball from that spot and work it down to the wing (one time a mark to Pedlar, one time out to space). The problem was what happened next.

 

[AFC979810]

Great comeback and good win, but I'm still worried about the team icing the game in a close finish. Brisbane had the last 2 shots at goal and it was just luck that they missed. Do we have a strategy for this or not?

I am sure we do have a strategy, just like I am sure every AFL club has a strategy.

The question is - how much can you actually train and work on these? To me it really feels like a penalty shootout in soccer. Professionals at practice will make 99 out of 100, but all that goes out the window once the pressure comes.

It feels like the more you play in them - the better you get at them. I also believe in the clutch gene.

Collingwood is a fascinating discussion for me.

In 2022 - they were 10-1 in regular season games decided by 12 points or less. They then lost their only 2 finals by 6 points and 1 points.

Their record in close games since 2022 (12 points or less)

2022 - 10-1 Regular Season. 0-2 in finals. (2-2 as the interstate team vs interstate opponent).
2023 - 7-0 regular season. 3-0 in finals (2-0 as the interstate team vs interstate opponent).
2024 - 5 wins, 3 losses, 2 draws ( 0 wins, 2 losses, 1 draw as the interstate team vs interstate opponent).

Thats an absolutely amazing record of 27 wins, 5 losses and 2 draws in games decided by 12 points or less. Thats a 79.4 win percentage in those games.

Its less impressive when you look at their record as the traveling team (4 wins, 4 losses, 1 Draw).

Which means when they have the home field advantage or crowd they are 23 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw.

Now look at us:

2022 - 2 wins - 3 losses
2023 - 1 win - 5 losses
2024 - 2 wins - 6 losses - 1 draw.

Thats an overall 5 wins, 14 losses and a draw for a win percentage of 25%. Staggering.

If there are 4 key pieces to close games - what percentages would you give each of them to in a pie chart?

Experience/Quality/Clutch Gene of the playing group
Home field advantage
Coaching / Gameplan / Strategy
Pure Luck.

For me it would be:

20% Playing Group
40% Home field advantage
30% Luck
10% Gameplan