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Broken record. Every team would play Cripps as an inside mid.
Not sure when inside mid became such a maligned position.
Not sure when inside mid became such a maligned position.
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Overlooking Oliver for Weitering has meant SOS has had to sift the retreads to hopefully provide some B grade support for Cripps in the middle.We have players who can carry some of the inside work week after week. They are just not as good as Cripps at doing it ... not many players are.
Cripps and Oliver would be insanely good.Overlooking Oliver for Weitering has meant SOS has had to sift the retreads to hopefully provide some B grade support for Cripps in the middle.
Cripps and Oliver would have been the leagues most devastating clearance duo.
Will be interesting to see which mids can step up in that supporting act and which ones fall by the wayside. Hopefully guys like Kennedy, Setterfield, Gibbons etc can play a role.
Overlooking Oliver for Weitering has meant SOS has had to sift the retreads to hopefully provide some B grade support for Cripps in the middle.
Cripps and Oliver would have been the leagues most devastating clearance duo.
Will be interesting to see which mids can step up in that supporting act and which ones fall by the wayside. Hopefully guys like Kennedy, Setterfield, Gibbons etc can play a role.
I don't think we overlooked Oliver. He only started getting a lot of attention just prior to the draft. Phantoms a month or so out had him outside the top 10 IIRC. Weitering was the consensus #1 the entire year.
I also don't consider Kennedy or Setterfield retreads.
SOS had a choice of the best junior defender, best junior forward and best junior mid in the 2015 draft.
He went for the backman and overlooked the other two. Cripps and Oliver in the same team would be devastating and mean that you don’t have to rely on guys like Kennedy, Gibbons and Setterfield developing as B grade mid support acts. But in saying that, you could have had Oliver and make your support acts job easier. Worked for us having Cotchin and Martin followed by Prestia and Grigg.
It was a miss by sos, but the bright side is they have plenty of time to develop up Weitering to be the best defender of that draft and best 22 in a successful team.
Typical bigfooty justifying a #1 picks because consensus on the forum said so. You have to look at how they perform, otherwise the recruiting manager is blameless and then it’s a development issue. For me, the blame should sit with both the person who overlooked Oliver for Weitering and the coach whose played him out of position for the best part of his short career.I think you are being disingenuous by declaring it a miss and by suggesting out young mids will only ever be B grade support acts.
For a start, here is the late Oct BF phantom with Oliver at #27.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2015-afl-phantom-draft.1116372/
Emma Quayle used her late mail on draft eve to see Oliver at #4 but declaring him a bolter and the first player to be taken that high despite not playing Nationals.
Why would Carlton take Oliver, who was new on the scene and more speculative at the time, over Weitering who was billed as the best defender in the draft, captain material, likely 200+ gamer and wanted to come to Carlton?Typical bigfooty justifying a #1 picks because consensus on the forum said so. You have to look at how they perform, otherwise the recruiting manager is blameless and then it’s a development issue. For me, the blame should sit with both the person who overlooked Oliver for Weitering and the coach whose played him out of position for the best part of his short career.
Oliver is the best player in that draft and Carlton picked Weitering instead - hard not to argue that- he was there and available and SOS rated him higher.
SOS fan boys point to the genius of him picking Curnow at 12 but don’t see his failings of missing Oliver instead of Weitering and the blindigly obvious Dunkley instead of Cuningham.
I do get it. When you don’t have high standards you don’t really get disappointed with the end result. And there’s always hope the young guys will turn things around.
Projecting guys like Setterfield and Kennedy as more than eventual B grader is great but I feel we’ve heard this story before with Carlton retreads. If they end up your Prestia and Grigg combo in your side that would be a great result.
Jack Watts pick at 1 can be justified this way as well. Doesn’t mean it was the right choice.Hindsight is 20/20, but you can’t fault Carlton for making the choice they did with the number 1 pick. Number 1 picks are nearly always a safe bet, and not usually the overall best career 15 years later. It’s a very good, very typical pick 1 decision.
They don’t have crystal balls, so I’m not sure how you can claim anything was a wrong choice without the benefit of hindsight, except to troll.Jack Watts pick at 1 can be justified this way as well. Doesn’t mean it was the right choice.
History will show the typical safe number 1 pick decision will be a midfielder. The best rated junior mid almost always works out to be that typical 200 gamer you talk about. Key forwards are more risky - Watts, Patton, Boyd, MCcartin. While key defenders drafted at #1 were unheard of before 2015, and have been since.
Correct. I am saying exactly that.They don’t have crystal balls, so I’m not sure how you can claim anything was a wrong choice without the benefit of hindsight, except to troll.
What you might claim is that, with the benefit of hindsight, Oliver is so far the best player in that draft class in your opinion (and perhaps with supporting statistics, accolades etc) and that Carlton would have benefited from a player of his type. In that way you are acknowledging both that it is your own opinion, that you have hindsight to your advantage, that they are four years into their careers and that it may change as the careers of that draft class play out in full, and thus not do the typical troll thing of making a bold but illogical off-topic statement just to wind up others for your own amusement.
Typical bigfooty justifying a #1 picks because consensus on the forum said so. You have to look at how they perform, otherwise the recruiting manager is blameless and then it’s a development issue. For me, the blame should sit with both the person who overlooked Oliver for Weitering and the coach whose played him out of position for the best part of his short career.
Oliver is the best player in that draft and Carlton picked Weitering instead - hard not to argue that- he was there and available and SOS rated him higher.
SOS fan boys point to the genius of him picking Curnow at 12 but don’t see his failings of missing Oliver instead of Weitering and the blindigly obvious Dunkley instead of Cuningham.
I do get it. When you don’t have high standards you don’t really get disappointed with the end result. And there’s always hope the young guys will turn things around.
Projecting guys like Setterfield and Kennedy as more than eventual B grader is great but I feel we’ve heard this story before with Carlton retreads. If they end up your Prestia and Grigg combo in your side that would be a great result.
Did some not read post 184 in this thread - Re-read and take this discussion to the Carlton Board.
It belongs on this board, but not in this thread. There are club focus threads on the topic of Carlton, or if we’re talking about Weitering’s selection specifically, he has his own draftee thread around here somewhere. There’s also the 2015 redo the draft thread.Did some not read post 184 in this thread - Re-read and take this discussion to the Carlton Board.
Congratulations to the kid
been at the club 2 months and has proven that he is willing to do the work required (which was the doubts on him prior to the draft) and been living with the hardwick family and been a perfect young lad.
Went back to WA over Xmas and apparently worked his backside off whilst away and came back in excellent condition, Will be exciting to watch Stack develop and hopefully have a great careers.
Hilarious to read John Ralph's article in the HS in which he says the Blues were making a last ditch play to steal Syd from Tigers grasp.