Predicted number 1 pick reportedly tells West Coast he doesn't want to play for them

Should the #1 pick be required to move interstate if the bottom team isn't from his home state?

  • Yes

    Votes: 226 86.6%
  • No

    Votes: 35 13.4%

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Philhawk

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West Coast only have a handful of quality youngsters. Most of the older players will be retiring so they could be in a poor state for at least 5 more years.
Reid will be walking into a club where he is the number one player in the team and he's going to get pummeled on a weekly basis. Not a lucky situation at all.
Probably the worst timing for any number 1 pick since Jack Watts & Tom Scully walking into a basket-case over at Melbourne.

In terms of ranking bad situations, you can't go past North over last 2 years, GC in 19 and Carlton in 18.

Notice that clubs who had previously experienced finals success in Bris, GWS and Adelaide have all developed their no 1 picks better (IMO).
 

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It’s all rubbish in the case of Reid but it really is draft tampering when it does happen. As has been mentioned there’s far too much babying going on with draftees. Suck it up it’s not like you’re being drafted out to Vladivostok.
 

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Oscar Allen's the no.1 player in the team mate.

There's a number of mature bodies still around to take the hits and the club isn't a complete basket-case off field, like Melbourne were when those blokes were drafted.

If you go number 1, you're usually going to end up at the worst team.

This isn't any different for Reid.

The Vic media + Cornes continually pissing on about it is laughable.

Allen is a gun but he ain't going to be in your engine room extracting the footy on a weekly basis. Reid is going to get belted.
West Coast aren't tanking like many teams in the past have, they are historically all-time bad and the list is in an appalling state. Majority of teams who were bad and received the no.1 pick turned it around fairly quickly (Scully & Watts never had a hope).
West Coast could be bottom of the ladder for a few more years yet.
 

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West Coast only have a handful of quality youngsters. Most of the older players will be retiring so they could be in a poor state for at least 5 more years.
Reid will be walking into a club where he is the number one player in the team and he's going to get pummeled on a weekly basis. Not a lucky situation at all.
Probably the worst timing for any number 1 pick since Jack Watts & Tom Scully walking into a basket-case over at Melbourne.
Isnt that a good thing? Reid wont get the number 1 small defender when up forward since Ryan is aroumd, he wont get tagged when he goes in the midfield etc since people wanna hang on TK still for some odd reason

The issue Tom Scully had is he went into Melbourne and was basically number 1 midfielder from day one and Watts was Demons number 1 forward. Thats when its a issue for them

Reid will spend alot of time up forward for us and get the worst defender and when he is in the midfield he wont be that number 1 midfielder or have a target on his back since we will likely chuck him in when we have Kelly/Yeo in at the bounce
 

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It’s getting pretty bad.
Apparently last year GWS considered Sheezel as flight risk as well hence their trade up.

Matt Johnson and JHF the year before.

Seems to be one or two every year now.

Some are just fake news but enough to spook a team like GWS. I remember someone spread rumours that Rayner was a party boy and flight risk. Turned out the exact opposite
 

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Yeah but I think the point being made here is players requesting a trade the year after being drafted.
That’s just clubs not being able to read the room on the way draftees talk.

GWS knew Wingard was a flight risk so didn’t take him. Same with GWS and Sheezel. And non Vic clubs keen on Johnson a couple of years ago.


Jordan Clarke for Geelong is another example.

JHF was an obvious one at the time.
Looked unimpressed on draft night when his name was called. The club saw this and hastily arranged a pic of him sleeping in his north jumper the next day to allay any concerns fans had, but it was pretty obvious from the start.

There was another a few years ago that showed severe displease at GWS picking them up. Might have been Caldwell? Not sure but I think they have been traded now.

The players above all called it out and ended up either having clubs listen to them or get drafted then return home.

It’s not an ideal situation.
I feel for the clubs that hear this news and have to make a decision on these players at their pick.

I’d be of the view that if a player doesn’t want to play for you, pick another player and don’t take the risk.
 

bzparkes

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Allen is a gun but he ain't going to be in your engine room extracting the footy on a weekly basis. Reid is going to get belted.
West Coast aren't tanking like many teams in the past have, they are historically all-time bad and the list is in an appalling state. Majority of teams who were bad and received the no.1 pick turned it around fairly quickly (Scully & Watts never had a hope).
West Coast could be bottom of the ladder for a few more years yet.
Reid won't be the no.1 mid.

Simmo has protected the young blokes in the middle mostly, much to the derision of fans. Even with only 23 to play for, he's still given extended on-field breaks to the likes of Ginbey & Hewett, by playing them on the flanks/pockets, so they don't get bashed up for the entire game.

Reid is absolutely not going to get belted. if anything, Simmo is over-protective of young players but better that than ruining their career from the start.
 

My Tilly

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Isnt that a good thing? Reid wont get the number 1 small defender when up forward since Ryan is aroumd, he wont get tagged when he goes in the midfield etc since people wanna hang on TK still for some odd reason

The issue Tom Scully had is he went into Melbourne and was basically number 1 midfielder from day one and Watts was Demons number 1 forward. Thats when its a issue for them

But I'm saying if Reid is as good as he is hyped up to be, let's say he starts doing what Walsh, Daicos, Ashcroft and these types did in their first year, the opposition are going to forget Kelly and just clamp down on the most talented player on the ground. There's very little else to trouble you.
 

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That’s just clubs not being able to read the room on the way draftees talk.

GWS knew Wingard was a flight risk so didn’t take him. Same with GWS and Sheezel. And non Vic clubs keen on Johnson a couple of years ago.


Jordan Clarke for Geelong is another example.

JHF was an obvious one at the time.
Looked unimpressed on draft night when his name was called. The club saw this and hastily arranged a pic of him sleeping in his north jumper the next day to allay any concerns fans had, but it was pretty obvious from the start.

There was another a few years ago that showed severe displease at GWS picking them up. Might have been Caldwell? Not sure but I think they have been traded now.

The players above all called it out and ended up either having clubs listen to them or get drafted then return home.

It’s not an ideal situation.
I feel for the clubs that hear this news and have to make a decision on these players at their pick.

I’d be of the view that if a player doesn’t want to play for you, pick another player and don’t take the risk.
That's too bad for the player.

ultimately, those players you highlighted left clubs that either were a basket case off-field(North), or not a desirable club to play at(GWS).

Plenty of other players have looked displeased at being picked up by a club they didn't want to go to, yet ended up spending their entire career there.
 

bzparkes

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But I'm saying if Reid is as good as he is hyped up to be, let's say he starts doing what Walsh, Daicos, Ashcroft and these types did in their first year, the opposition are going to forget Kelly and just clamp down on the most talented player on the ground. There's very little else to trouble you.
Daicos?

You mean the bloke nobody's tagging, or putting time into?

Ditto Ashcroft.
 

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A LOT of people getting upset about how much of a problem this is, but...

Firstly, this is completely made up in the case of Reid and is the complete opposite of what Reid himself has said.

Secondly, 99+% of players are fine to be drafted anywhere. We can count on one hand the examples out of 1000's of draftees so there's no need to overreact as though it is some 'endemic' issue.

Even the examples given - Scully, Boyd, etc. These guys weren't refusing to be drafted to their original club. They were happy to be there but then got a mega offer from elsewhere. Also, in both of those circumstances (and the JHF one), the original club got more in the trade than keeping the player was worth anyway. It's not like they lost them for nothing - they were very well compensated.

It's really only the Chad Wingard scenario that is genuinely bad, but that's an example from over a decade ago (in very exceptional circumstances of a new expansion team that held all the picks) and is really very rare (as it's massively frowned upon).
 

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But I'm saying if Reid is as good as he is hyped up to be, let's say he starts doing what Walsh, Daicos, Ashcroft and these types did in their first year, the opposition are going to forget Kelly and just clamp down on the most talented player on the ground. There's very little else to trouble you.
Well if Reid becomes any of Walsh/Daicos/Ashcroft im dancing in the aisles and not really caring about much else. If he becomes Tom Scully, then we got a issue.

I think the best thing we have going for us is if Reid is having a issue we can chuck him up forward where he will be the 4th best forward and get a crap defender on him. That will protect him big time. North for example dont have that option. If Reid plays up forward he is getting the number 1 small defender from day one and seen as 2nd option behind Larkey as a target, so will have a tougher matchup
 

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A LOT of people getting upset about how much of a problem this is, but...

Firstly, this is completely made up in the case of Reid and is the complete opposite of what Reid himself has said.

Secondly, 99+% of players are fine to be drafted anywhere. We can count on one hand the examples out of 1000's of draftees so there's no need to overreact as though it is some 'endemic' issue.

Even the examples given - Scully, Boyd, etc. These guys weren't refusing to be drafted to their original club. They were happy to be there but then got a mega offer from elsewhere. Also, in both of those circumstances (and the JHF one), the original club got more in the trade than keeping the player was worth anyway. It's not like they lost them for nothing - they were very well compensated.

It's really only the Chad Wingard scenario that is genuinely bad, but that's an example from over a decade ago (in very exceptional circumstances of a new expansion team that held all the picks) and is really very rare (as it's massively frowned upon).
Unless you're Bailey Smith, Archie Perkins, Harry Sheezel or George Wardlaw, of course ;)
 

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The problem is the draft but it is integrated into AFL fan culture so most fans can’t see any other way clubs can recruit players even though no other major sporting league in Australia has a draft.

Scrap the draft and allow clubs to offer players the best deal to join their club. Best deal could be money, opportunity to play, development coaches, joining a young team with junior teammates that grow at AFL level together. Salary cap and list sizes prevent clubs stockpiling top players. The contending clubs should have tight salary caps, the bottom clubs should have more cap room where they can recruit more top prospects than the current 1 before the premiership team does.
 

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West coast should trade pick one if they get it while Harley Reid's value is so high. He is spoken about as a generational talent - so have most of the number one draft picks over the past 40 years.

At Melbourne - Jack Watts, Travis Johnston and Tom Scully were seen as generational talents and had average careers.

Remember the Kruzer Cup? Whoever got him was going to go onto huge success. Bryce Gibbs, Patton, Boyd - all absolute game changes appartely pre draft.

Since the draft first came in 42 years ago, their has only ever been one clear game changer at number one - Nick Riewoldt in 2000. He is the only number one pick with the benefit of hindsight I would not trade down for multiple first round picks.

It could be argued that Luke Hodge was the following year was worth is, but the next two picks were Judd and Ball, Bartell was 8th, and another dozen players that have made the All-Australian side.

If West Coast can get a top 5 pick, another first round and a second round they should jump at it..
 

Elmer_Judd

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What do you think? Is this a problem?


Nope. Frankly it would save a lot of problems and issues for all clubs (like North and JH-F etc) if potential draftees were able to be honest about their intentions if they were drafted interstate.
 

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Who in their right mind would want to move to Perth to play for the worst club of the AFL era, where their employer has significant historical cultural (ie: drug) issues?

Would be crazy for Reid to want to go there.
 

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West coast should trade pick one if they get it while Harley Reid's value is so high. He is spoken about as a generational talent - so have most of the number one draft picks over the past 40 years.

At Melbourne - Jack Watts, Travis Johnston and Tom Scully were seen as generational talents and had average careers.

Remember the Kruzer Cup? Whoever got him was going to go onto huge success. Bryce Gibbs, Patton, Boyd - all absolute game changes appartely pre draft.

Since the draft first came in 42 years ago, their has only ever been one clear game changer at number one - Nick Riewoldt in 2000. He is the only number one pick with the benefit of hindsight I would not trade down for multiple first round picks.

It could be argued that Luke Hodge was the following year was worth is, but the next two picks were Judd and Ball, Bartell was 8th, and another dozen players that have made the All-Australian side.

If West Coast can get a top 5 pick, another first round and a second round they should jump at it..
Yes, yes, we know Melbourne are desperate to trade for Reid.

Also lol at Watts being 'generational'. From what I recall, he came from the clouds during the champs when everyone was initially expecting Naitanui to go at 1 earlier in the year.
 

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Who in their right mind would want to move to Perth to play for the worst club of the AFL era, where their employer has significant historical cultural (ie: drug) issues?

Would be crazy for Reid to want to go there.
Drug issues from 15 years ago.

Meanwhile, Melbourne have a drug addict as senior coach and are doing what they can to trade for number 1.
 

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West coast should trade pick one if they get it while Harley Reid's value is so high. He is spoken about as a generational talent - so have most of the number one draft picks over the past 40 years.

At Melbourne - Jack Watts, Travis Johnston and Tom Scully were seen as generational talents and had average careers.

Remember the Kruzer Cup? Whoever got him was going to go onto huge success. Bryce Gibbs, Patton, Boyd - all absolute game changes appartely pre draft.

Since the draft first came in 42 years ago, their has only ever been one clear game changer at number one - Nick Riewoldt in 2000. He is the only number one pick with the benefit of hindsight I would not trade down for multiple first round picks.

It could be argued that Luke Hodge was the following year was worth is, but the next two picks were Judd and Ball, Bartell was 8th, and another dozen players that have made the All-Australian side.

If West Coast can get a top 5 pick, another first round and a second round they should jump at it..
Yeah I'm starting to think that way, having watched the under 18 carnival highlights, he's pretty decent but certainly not way ahead of the pack like the frothing media suggest. I'd be just as happy with guys like Walter and McKercher.
 

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Yes, yes, we know Melbourne are desperate to trade for Reid.

Also lol at Watts being 'generational'. From what I recall, he came from the clouds during the champs when everyone was initially expecting Naitanui to go at 1 earlier in the year.
OK......nice work on going full nuffie and missing the point. Your persecution complex is way out of control.
 

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Drug issues from 15 years ago.

Meanwhile, Melbourne have a drug addict as senior coach and are doing what they can to trade for number 1.
Don't engage - most reasonable people are aware that most clubs have had issues with drugs, including Freo, injunction club, multiple Pies players taking PEDs - but no, WCE were so much worse, right?

Draft tampering in the AFL is terrible - top 10 picks should get a minimum 3-4 year contract, and if you refuse to go to any particular club, then you sit out of the AFL for the length of the contract (with no salary).
 

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Did you think it was a problem when Chad Wingard did the same thing?

Happens every year.

Actually would rather players be upfront

Or do what Charlie Curnow did. Apparently he heard the Crows and Suns were planning to draft him in 2015, so he deliberately staged that driving incident down in Geelong (refused to take a breathalyser test which got him nicked to the cop shop) and that worked like a charm !

Archie Perkins is another one who told clubs he was going back home after being being drafted in 2 years time
 

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I can only hope Harley Reid does not turn into another JHF situation which is becoming a common theme amongst young players.

I like the idea of increasing the draft age to 19 and having 3 year contracts.
 
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