Yeah exactly. Griff can't get much better than what he is producing. I agree with everyone else, he has a lot of determination but his pace or lack thereof exposes us a bit. Clarke can offer that and more IF he turns it on. As you say, do they take the risk adverse option and play Griff or high risk high reward option and play Clarke.
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Opinion Preliminary Final Changes vs. Hawthorn
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Yeah exactly. Griff can't get much better than what he is producing. I agree with everyone else, he has a lot of determination but his pace or lack thereof exposes us a bit. Clarke can offer that and more IF he turns it on. As you say, do they take the risk adverse option and play Griff or high risk high reward option and play Clarke.
I favour Griff over Clarke. You know he's going to give 110% and has more likelihood of taking a contested mark or two inside 50.
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I'll be putting on my Power Rangers suit to watch that one.
I think so, he was awesome in the match.
That's the problem. Can't expect Clarke to suddenly return to that form. We need him firing early and right now he's patchy. The first half against Sydney was fine, not great but solid. Then he went missing in the second and gave away that free to Tippett.
With Griffin, you know he will be trying his heart out and might just need that in the prelim- it's sudden death. Clarke gets worked out by average to great defence and Hawthorn has that.
Rather take the risk adverse option. Clarke has no in between in his game, he either play extremely well or poor. Ross doesn't play risks mostly so it's likely Griffin gets the nod with knowing what he ll provide. McEvoy and Hale play consistently and similar to Jon, just get the job done.
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Griff anyday!
How is it a contest?
How is it a contest?
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Griff hasn't played in near on a month, that's the obvious concern I reckon.
He'd be comng in to replace Clarke, who has barely played in 4 months.
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The major upside to Griff is how he frees up Sandi much more than Clarke can. Griff will halve the ruck battle at a minimum; Clarke gets beaten too often - doesn't seem to have the strength/positioning to win the taps like Griff does. You can rely on Griff more in the middle (and around the ground, it could be argued) which lets us push Sandi deep into the forward line for longer periods of the game. Sandi has taken some great marks in the goal square in crucial games in the back half of the season.
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I reckon Macca will play... And I reckon Norman Gunston won't
Interesting media interview with Fyfe on footy feed. Go have a look. Says he is good to go this week but there are challenges if we win to get up for a GF. But the medicos have multiple plans, and he was quite sly in saying I can't reveal anything. Interesting listen. Not sure what to make of it
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You must be new here because a fair few people on this board have been saying the same all year, and have suddenly changed their tune in the last 7 days.
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How would you know?
People get far too carried away with their opinions n body language here. Basically judging players by their facial expressions rather than their output is ridiculous. Regardless of his "Pea Heart", Clarke is a better player than Griffin. Those who think he's not trying should take comfort that he can play even better.
Couldn't disagree more. Blindly pinging the ball deep into the Hawks defense plays right into their hands. We need to control the ball going into the forward 50 and honor good leads by the forwards.
Control the ball and let them come to you and out of their zone, honor good options quickly, have shots on the run from the midfield.
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I wouldn't mind seeing it. When the contest is within reach and he doesn't make the effort to get there, that's not body language.
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I have no idea where all of the "Griff is way better than Zac" sentiment derives from.........it certainly isn't born out by stats.
2015 Averages
Griff is ahead in these categories
More HOs Goals Tackles
0.3 0.5 0.6
Zac is ahead in
M D D Eff CM I50s GA Cl R50s
- 1.4 - 2.0 - 9.4 - 0.1 - 0.6 - 0.1 - 0.8 - 0.3
Not saying you can't make a case for Griff but Clarke's numbers are better in a few key areas, including Marks, Contested Marks, Contested Possessions, Disposal Efficiency (a significant advantage 72% versus 81% for Zac), Clearances and Inside 50s. As a matter of interest, they both compare OK with Hale, who plays for the almighty Hawks as Back Up Ruckman and Occasional Key Fwd or mostly FWD Decoy.
As long as he can run out the game (he does tend to fade......), I'm with Zac (as others have said, more upside).
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Actually Zac Clarke averages more contested marks this season than Griffin does. But people believe what they want to believe.
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