If what you're getting at is the 50 point Total Team Points cap is too high, I agree.
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That's it, more relevant to suburban footy though, but there has to be something across the board
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You'll never compete with the Old Boys clubs if they reduce the cap, it's not the answer. The answer is you blokes stop playing blokes you've been playing for 10 years and play some kids. Stop blaming the system, we all play within the confines of it, some just do it better.
Your got your head up your arse again,. Big schools like yours with their networks can offer jobs and other incentives, that's your luck
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To put it a little less colourfully
you are absolutely correct, the system has 'squat' to do with old school clubs v district clubs. Its focus is to ensure the rich, powerful and influential clubs don't entirely overwhelm the less fortunate or well positioned clubs.
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Quite clearly you need to read the rules. A 'home' player is valued at 1 point. My club currently has 34 'home' players at VFL and AFL level, I guarantee you that you don't have even 10 players.
I'll happily have the cap at 32 points, your club would not get within 40 goals of my club were those 34 AFL and VFL players to play under your proposed cut off. That's why 50 points is a good and reasonable number, you could recruit 5 AFL blokes and have 17 home grown fellows and then you are a serious club.
The lesser the points, the stronger the Old Boys Clubs become. Funnily enough, the points were only implemented at VAFA level to stop the raping of our higher level grades from other leagues. The points system has thing to do with trying to even up the competition.
Don't have 10, once again you have no idea, no wonder great posters like Scribe are not here anymore
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Comprehension obviously isn't a strong point of yours.
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Jeeze you talk our your arse sometimes BS. What's that go to do with anything?
Why the hell would VFL/AFL players that went to St Kevin's School suddenly start playing at SKOBs if the cap was at 32 points? If the cap was at 32 points (which you'd be happy with) you wouldn't have half the recruits you do playing for you and you still wouldn't have those VFL/AFL players either. Not sure why you'd be happy with that?
SKOBs and Xavs currently up in the same ranks as your Balwyn's/Norwoods/Noble Parks etc.
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Canada, Dont get to carried away...Skobs beat a team that wont win a game all year The losers had no idea how to play pressure football, just look at the score line. Doesnt say much for Skob's defence when OC can kick 14 goals.
Where were the "All Stars" the week before agasinst Colls??? Went missing when made accountable..
What's the obsession with A or B grade.
In 2025, when both St. Bernards and West Brunswick celebrate their 10 year Premiership Reunion, you can't tell me the boys from WB won't be enjoying that day as much and the boys from St.B.
A premiership is a premiership regardless of the grades. The feel around the lower grades is far superior to that of some of the A Grade Teams.
Its about playing football and enjoying your mates, regardless of the level you play at.
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Pressure rising at OX's..............
Bold prediction......Bernies to follow OC. down....
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That last spot down is a raffle!
Where did I say 32 points? I said I agree 50 points was too high.
The MPNFL had been (may still be) operating on 39 points for years. The rich, powerful and influential clubs have coped and remained successful. And it's allowed the less affluent clubs to become competitive, even snag a flag here and there. It's made for a much better competition.
I'm for clubs who develop from within in preference to those who take the line of least resistance and go the buy-in route.
See Max “You are a star” Leader's post which addressed some of your other stuff.
FWIW I think you guys are missing my point. The clubs without juniors have no other option but to go the "buy in" route. Think Albert Park, West Brunswick, NOBS, Powerhouse etc. By reducing the cap it will make it nearly impossible for these clubs to ever climb the grades against other clubs with stronger feeders (I never mentioned A or B). The overarching level playing field is that no one gets paid and it should stay that way.
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Come on Max, some of the greatest players in OI history have been ring in's, and good on them I say. Big Hayden Hetta, what a star! Matt Ferguson, Chris Johnson et al, there's some great names there.
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As was my point about 34 AFL and VFL players, who are all one pointers if they ever play for us. Reducing the points cap would kill local clubs, surely that's obvious?
No issues with ring in's, as we have definitely benefited and suffered from their inclusion. But it was the comment by FWIW regarding clubs spending their whole time in D3 and D4, as though its a disease, than gets my "dander up". Sounded like something Fitzy would say.
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Don't forget the Big O, Owen Weatherly, Carl Groth and Dean Heta. We've all had them.
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I agree FWIW....if you have not figured out that the system is massively in favour of schools which have 260 boys go through each and every year (all of whom would be home grown) then I believe you are not looking. The system just does not make sense and entrenches VAFA as an old boys comp which I believe is not desirable.
Don't upset Fitzy on here
Chazz M Michaels
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You have 34 AFL/VFL players that would be 1 pointers yet you had 40 points run out for you on Saturday?
I'd hazard a guess and say OX and SKOBs had the 2 highest player points across the 7 divisions on Saturday.
Not sure how reducing it would kill "local" clubs if the two clubs with arguably the two best feeder schools in the state are also the highest ranked in player points ontop of it. Not be mention the 34 AFL/VFL players that would be 1 pointers of course.
I guess I shouldn't then raise the point that with access to that much talent (34 AFL/VFL players that would be 1 pointers and 40 points worth of players), hovering in B grade for so many years and barely giving a whimper in A grade so far this year, it is a little underwhelming.
Your argument might be valid if these local clubs had 40+ points running around but I don't think this is the case is it?
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Are you really unable to understand what I'm saying? Ill put it simply: Private school have the best players, a lot who play at the highest levels compared to district clubs.
If these players are all home players they are only worth 1 point, so if they all(unlikely of course) decided to play at their old boys club, you could have a team of AFL and VFL players worth only 22 points on one day.
If a district club tried to recruit these people to their club the points total would be anywhere from 88 to 132. Pretty easy to understand I would have thought.
As far as being in B grade for 10 years, maybe that's because our best school footballers are AFL and VFL quality so we miss out on them, evidenced by the high number playing at those levels. Based on those facts, we do well to even play in Premier and Premier B, I'd also suggest the club thoroughly enjoyed playing in B grade last year, any year you win a flag is brilliant.
As far as barely giving a whimper in A grade, when was the last time a team kicked over 200 points in the top grade? I don't ever remember seeing it, but of course let's ignore that shall we!
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