C Section Premier C - 2012

[bedford]

I was big on the points system too. But after talking today to someone who has a limited involvement with a well lined club on the Peninsula I'm less convinced. He openly admits that his club respects the system in name only. And he claims his is not the only club operating that way. It appears that whatever system is devised, if a club or clubs don't want to abide by it, they'll find a way to circumvent it. Sad, but it is what it is.

Thats fine AM, but it has to be right across ALL comps for it to work.

 

[Value Added]

You can't blame people for going and playing for $$$. It's fair and reasonable for a young kid who is going to Uni to get $400-$800 a week playing for another club elsewhere. Usually it may involve a 1-8 hour drive each weekend to get it, plus the same if they bother to train. It's not as glamoorous as it seems.

I get annoyed if someone goes for $150-$200 a game, which won't get you far in todays economy.

If people are in their mid to late 20's and are going for cash then they probably haven't set themselves up in life too well and need the $$$, it's debatable whether you want these guys around anyway. You will usually find that they lack commitment in most things they do and are in the 'too hard basket' at a club.

Smart clubs, even those with no old boys networks, will work hard to find ways to keep people in their club and help set them up with a career. It all gets back to people in and around the club having passion for the place.

Bedford, as far as Xavier goes, they will drop off the pace in the next few years as their school sides have been very poor and will continue to be so judging by their years 7,8,9 ans 10 footy results last year.

Collegiens on the other hand have worked very hard to get back to where they are. It wasn't that long ago that they were palying in C Grade, so you can't seriously complain abiut them IMO.

What Briza said in the bolded.

Game day footy and the training involved leading up to it at the higher ammo levels is sooo intense and demanding I've often wondered why players do it. Not only for nothing but out of pocket up to a grand season with membership, club functions, fund raisers........

Who could blame them for grabbing the dollars that are on offer today? Even $200 a game. Not me.

 

[AM]

Thats fine AM, but it has to be right across ALL comps for it to work.

I’m not opposed to an attempt to better manage player payments but unless every club is absolutely committed to it, whether it’s competition wide or State wide is immaterial.

Also, the pure act of managing a scheme Statewide would be an administrative nightmare even for Football Victoria. Quite apart from it running counter to their philosophy of each competition running their own day-to-day affairs as they see fit.

In any event, a properly regulated and managed player payment system wouldn’t have made any difference to the raid by Hastings on HR as no one is suggesting Hastings is acting outside that competitions points system.

 

[bedford]

Thats typical, just don't try.

 

[AM]

Thats typical, just don't try.

Um! I think I opened my post with " I’m not opposed to an attempt to better manage player payments"

I just appreciate the difficulties associated with administering it state wide and pointed out it would be no solution to the matters afflicting HR. Whatever system is introduced clubs with the funds will still be able to offer financial inducements to players providing they do so within any pre-determined salary constraints. As apparently Hastings have done.

I won't be as dismissive of you by saying - that's typical, shooting from the hip.

 

[Scribe]

What Briza said in the bolded.

Game day footy and the training involved leading up to it at the higher ammo levels is sooo intense and demanding I've often wondered why players do it. Not only for nothing but out of pocket up to a grand season with membership, club functions, fund raisers........

Who could blame them for grabbing the dollars that are on offer today? Even $200 a game. Not me.

Each to their own, quite frankly and good luck to those players who are talented enough to have clubs chasing them with financial incentives.

I agree, the level of commitment required to play senior VAFA footy is far greater than 10 or 20 years ago. However, no doubt plenty of guys who could give the same effort for $200 per game reward choose not to. It doesn't make them a better person than the guy who leaves. It simply says to me that they value what they get out of playing for their club more than $4000 per annum.

To some, that's not a lot of loot, and to others it's quite a bit. Still, to those who remain, I daresay they don't even bother putting a price on the enjoyment they get out of representing their club and playing with their mates.

I just think its sad to hear of an exodus of players from one club to a couple of bush clubs and can't help but think it reflects poorly on those who have wooed those players away.

 

[The Big Pineapple]

You can't blame people for going and playing for $$$. It's fair and reasonable for a young kid who is going to Uni to get $400-$800 a week playing for another club elsewhere. Usually it may involve a 1-8 hour drive each weekend to get it, plus the same if they bother to train. It's not as glamoorous as it seems.

I get annoyed if someone goes for $150-$200 a game, which won't get you far in todays economy.

If people are in their mid to late 20's and are going for cash then they probably haven't set themselves up in life too well and need the $$$, it's debatable whether you want these guys around anyway. You will usually find that they lack commitment in most things they do and are in the 'too hard basket' at a club.

Smart clubs, even those with no old boys networks, will work hard to find ways to keep people in their club and help set them up with a career. It all gets back to people in and around the club having passion for the place.

Bedford, as far as Xavier goes, they will drop off the pace in the next few years as their school sides have been very poor and will continue to be so judging by their years 7,8,9 ans 10 footy results last year.

Collegiens on the other hand have worked very hard to get back to where they are. It wasn't that long ago that they were palying in C Grade, so you can't seriously complain abiut them IMO.

Ahhh Brian, the voice of reason... Good to see some things around here haven't changed!

 

[les argen]

Each to their own, quite frankly and good luck to those players who are talented enough to have clubs chasing them with financial incentives.

I agree, the level of commitment required to play senior VAFA footy is far greater than 10 or 20 years ago. However, no doubt plenty of guys who could give the same effort for $200 per game reward choose not to. It doesn't make them a better person than the guy who leaves. It simply says to me that they value what they get out of playing for their club more than $4000 per annum.

To some, that's not a lot of loot, and to others it's quite a bit. Still, to those who remain, I daresay they don't even bother putting a price on the enjoyment they get out of representing their club and playing with their mates.

I just think its sad to hear of an exodus of players from one club to a couple of bush clubs and can't help but think it reflects poorly on those who have wooed those players away.

Agree Scribe. Also can't help thinking that the clubs picking the cherries are only improving their short term prospects. The smarter clubs will invest their $$ into making their club a better place for sustained success.

 

[AM]

There is no question about the value of developing your senior team through a structured and well administered junior program. Solid clubs do that.

By the same token I don’t have an issue with a club from a comp that pays players topping-up their list by offering a monetary incentive to a player or two if by doing so it enhances their flag prospects. They’d be negligent if they failed to do so.

 

[Cardio Carl]

A consortium of key and passionate VAFA 'supporters' have drated a significant "Co-Op' proposal to maintian/attract/prosper the UNIVERSAL VAFA MANDATE.

All clubs in unision are in a position to leverage the VAFA philosophies, values and objectives by collective bargaining

Unfortunatly people in the "know" and with perhaps hidden agendas ( just like trolls on these boards) are reluctant to absorb and debate.

So don't cry about $$$ taking our best players, our biggest issues is that our 'sulk in the corner' attitude is not only unproductive but pathetic.

When are our leaders going to understand the power that is beneath them.

Cheers

CC

 

[bedford]

There is no question about the value of developing your senior team through a structured and well administered junior program. Solid clubs do that.

By the same token I don’t have an issue with a club from a comp that pays players topping-up their list by offering a monetary incentive to a player or two if by doing so it enhances their flag prospects. They’d be negligent if they failed to do so.

Yes AM, you can have a great junior program, but they get offered a few bucks by a say the Shit footy league it can be hard to knock back.

 

[go_nodders]

Yes AM, you can have a great junior program, but they get offered a few bucks by a say the Shit footy league it can be hard to knock back.

Boys, I can't believe this has had so much discussion. It is what it is and it will never change - I don't understand why guys are miffed or angry at what occurs.
I honestly feel sorry for the guys that chase the dollar and move from club to club as they never really get what community footy is about.
I know one of my mates who played in the various metro comps speaks with real regret that he will never be able to call a club his home. Was the money really worth it.....now, he's not quite sure!

 

[AM]

Yes AM, you can have a great junior program, but they get offered a few bucks by a say the Shit footy league it can be hard to knock back.

Think that was what I was saying bedders.

See you got away with the SFL reference. OTP is slowing up.

 

[Over The Post]

They can't be that bad, they have ditched Doveton...

 

[bedford]

They are a shit comp, they are like the EPL,only 3 or 4 teams will only be able to win the flag. That is not a good comp.

 

[AM]

They can't be that bad, they have ditched Doveton...

Yep! Thought they handled that pretty well.

They are a shit comp, they are like the EPL,only 3 or 4 teams will only be able to win the flag. That is not a good comp.

You're going to upset you-know-who again bedford.

BTW. Not referring to you here OTP.

 

[Pump and dump]

Had an interesting night on the punt at the local last Thursday watching the dishlickers go around.
One of the much vaunted AFL recruits to the comp, the latest in a string out Balwyn way was absolutely parro. The bar chick told me he had arrived at around 5 ish and had not stopped chucking them down, I left at 10 pm and he must have had 20 drinks in that time.
Lets hope Old camberwell can drag him away from the pub on a Saturday and keep him on the straight and narrow.

 

[Scribe]

Had an interesting night on the punt at the local last Thursday watching the dishlickers go around.
One of the much vaunted AFL recruits to the comp, the latest in a string out Balwyn way was absolutely parro. The bar chick told me he had arrived at around 5 ish and had not stopped chucking them down, I left at 10 pm and he must have had 20 drinks in that time.
Lets hope Old camberwell can drag him away from the pub on a Saturday and keep him on the straight and narrow.

We must have another ex-AFL recruit I'm not aware of.

Willo cruised through last nights 6 x 400m and then associated sprint work whilst showing great leadership and encouragement to the young fellas he's getting to know. His footskills haven't departed him and his speed off the mark is quite remarkable.

What he does tonight is his business, but I daresay his wife and 3 kids are probably occupying more of his time now he's working full-time and settling into life post-AFL.

Thanks for the heads-up P&D, though I'm not sure who's heads up where....

 

[Pump and dump]

Thanks for the heads-up P&D, though I'm not sure who's heads up where....

Very classy retort Mr Scribe, a great ambassadoor you are for your football club.

 

[CCORNER]

Saw the Eagles at work recently and it appears that their quick slide may yet continue. Very sloppy on the track with ordinary numbers.

 

[just ask!!!]

Saw the Eagles at work recently and it appears that their quick slide may yet continue. Very sloppy on the track with ordinary numbers.

i think you will find fter watching a couple of times before and after Xmas they split into groups and that would be why numbers looked ordinary....

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Very classy retort Mr Scribe, a great ambassadoor you are for your football club.

Chill out, I thought his response was quite clever.

Scribe, why the demotion to runner, or perhaps it's a promotion?

 

[AM]

"Clever" is what Scribe brings to the board Brian. Great to see him posting again.

 

[Scribe]

Chill out, I thought his response was quite clever.

Scribe, why the demotion to runner, or perhaps it's a promotion?

I advised the club at the end of last season that, for personal reasons, I might not be able to commit the necessary time to fulfil the position of Senior Assistant Coach. They wanted me to stay involved in some capacity at least on match-day.
Recently, circumstances have changed such that I will be assisting Tim again in coaching the senior team for 2012.

 

[harper]

I advised the club at the end of last season that, for personal reasons, I might not be able to commit the necessary time to fulfil the position of Senior Assistant Coach. They wanted me to stay involved in some capacity at least on match-day.
Recently, circumstances have changed such that I will be assisting Tim again in coaching the senior team for 2012.

Please don't tell me you've been de-barred Frase? Or perhaps the moneys better at the OC!