Premiership sides who drank their own bath water?

[Dark Eagle 9]

Picking Judd on one leg was a deliberate selection decision. Who still kicked 2 goals in the third in a very low scoring game, so do we take away that impact?
And Cousins went off at 3qt with barely a dozen touches (Kane Cornes had him tied up with a bow) with the score only a goal the difference.

Yeah, hammers us, sure. Historical revisionism.

Couldn't go the distance with Port with a broken Judd, Cousins going down (Power kicked 2 directly after), no Kerr, Fletcher & Hansen. Close though. Scott Lucas in the last quarter the week prior took second spot away from us for Hird & Sheedy. (Judd & Kerr sorely missed in that game too.) It was a good effort with Cousins out & all the injuries to be that close by seasons end.

Everything went against West Coast & the Power as good as they were got smiled apon that season. The grand final was telling & we didn't see Port back in the 8 until 2013.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Couldn't go the distance with Port with a broken Judd, Cousins going down (Power kicked 2 directly after), no Kerr, Fletcher & Hansen. Close though. Scott Lucas in the last quarter the week prior took second spot away from us for Hird & Sheedy. (Judd & Kerr sorely missed in that game too.) It was a good effort with Cousins out & all the injuries to be that close by seasons end.

Everything went against West Coast & the Power as good as they were got smiled apon that season. The grand final was telling & we didn't see Port back in the 8 until 2013.

I didn't know Judd and Kerr missed vs the Dons. And those players were out vs the Power. Kerr, Fletcher and Hansen too? And you only lost by 3. Unreal. I do recall Port kicking a couple after Cousins went off. Eagles at full strength beats the Power with ease.

Should have been a Geelong-West Coast Grand Final.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

West Coast got Port some good ones too. Close wins in 2015, 16, 17, then the after the siren extra time thriller elimination Final. Got them again at the end with a long bomb from Jetta in the preseason 2018. And McGovern after the siren once more in 2018. Then they touched us up at the finish line in the grand final.

Minds like an elephant those campaigners.

 

[Dark Eagle 9]

West Coast got Port some good ones too. Close wins in 2015, 16, 17, then the after the siren extra time thriller elimination Final. Got them again at the end with a long bomb from Jetta in the preseason 2018. And McGovern after the siren once more in 2018. Then they touched us up at the finish line in the grand final.

Minds like an elephant those campaigners.

I only speak for the 07 qualifying final in the thread of premiership sides drinking their own bathwater. Power stung our rings many times prior to our Adelaide Oval run on them.

 

[iameviljez]

Crows 1999

With all due respect to that Adelaide team, Blight did incredibly well to get them through two wonderful Septembers to begin with.

 

[Xtreme]

Western Bulldogs 2016

And the funniest part is they're still celebrating and Bob Murphy still has the medal & prances around as though he kicked the game winning goal!

 

[ReturningHawk]

Hawks 09 definitely. The young stars simply came back unfit and ready for another victory lap rather than a season of footy.

I think West Coast from 2019-2023 though was perhaps the longest premiership hangover I’ve witnessed. The unshakeable sense of self-satisfaction as the club slid from premiership to priority pick was baffling to watch.

 

[crows dude]

With all due respect to that Adelaide team, Blight did incredibly well to get them through two wonderful Septembers to begin with.

We had stars like Modra, Jarman, Hart, Smart, Rehn, Roo. A lot of Kids who would become stars but were already playing A Grade footy like Mcleod, Goodwin Edwards, Johnson.

 

[Sentinel]

Western Bulldogs 2016

And the funniest part is they're still celebrating and Bob Murphy still has the medal & prances around as though he kicked the game winning goal!

You mean the medal he returned immediately and is now sitting in the club's museum, or a different one?

Bob Murphy returns premiership medal handed to him by coach Luke Beveridge on Grand Final day

Murphy’s amazing premiership medal gesture

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

The eagles have been guilty of it each time they won the flag.

1993
1995
2007
2019

Those premiership defences were abysmal. Lost games they shouldn't have lost. Blew top 4 chances at home in their final games as well as top 2. 1995 was probably the worst of them all.

Bombers 94
Hawks 2009
Cats 2023

All Missed finals.

Who else?

No bathwater consumed at the Cattery. We had a zillion injuries.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

Hawks 09 definitely. The young stars simply came back unfit and ready for another victory lap rather than a season of footy.

I think West Coast from 2019-2023 though was perhaps the longest premiership hangover I’ve witnessed. The unshakeable sense of self-satisfaction as the club slid from premiership to priority pick was baffling to watch.

While I do find it hard to discuss 2008, I think it's understandable you blokes didn't back up the year after seeing as you got the ultimate success 'ahead of schedule' with a relatively young group. It made Geelong mad and St Kilda perfected Rossball, and the Dogs were up and about as well...that's a few to worry about before the ball hits the turf for round one.

 

[iameviljez]

We had stars like Modra, Jarman, Hart, Smart, Rehn, Roo. A lot of Kids who would become stars but were already playing A Grade footy like Mcleod, Goodwin Edwards, Johnson.

Erm, I think you might be stretching the definition of "star" there a little. Very, very good footballers all - but not all "stars". Put in this way - in 1997, only two Adelaide players made All-Australian, and, by shit luck, neither of them played in the GF.

As Blight himself said, having two mercurial footballers like Jarman and McLeod play as well as they did on GF day was just a gift from the Gods.

It's ok to say that two very even sides outplayed themselves and rode their luck a little to two premierships. In fact, if anything, it's a testament to their belief, commitment and coaching.

 

[crows dude]

Erm, I think you might be stretching the definition of "star" there a little. Very, very good footballers all - but not all "stars". Put in this way - in 1997, only two Adelaide players made All-Australian, and, by shit luck, neither of them played in the GF.

As Blight himself said, having two mercurial footballers like Jarman and McLeod play as well as they did on GF day was just a gift from the Gods.

It's ok to say that two very even sides outplayed themselves and rode their luck a little to two premierships. In fact, if anything, it's a testament to their belief, commitment and coaching.

You are right. Only Modra and Roo mad AA in 1997. Mcleod Should have as well. Ben Hart and Nigel Smart were All Australians before the premierships. Hart ended up an all Australian in 1992/1993/1999 and 2002. Smart Was AA in 1991, 1993 and 1998. Rehn before he did his knee was becoming the best ruck in the AFl in 1994 becoming AA that year. Two years off with knee re-cons but to come back in 1997 the way he did and then in 1998 become 4th in the brownlow. Jarman was a big game player. AA in 1992 95 and 96. He was a star. OK Edwards, Johnson and Goodwin were not. I agree with that.

 

[Chucks]

Hawthorn have definitely drank pints of their own bathwater since winning back-to-back flags in '24 and '25.

Edit: have just been briefed.. you're telling me they DIDN'T win a flag? Could've fooled me with the carry on..

 

[Pistol Night]

You are right. Only Modra and Roo mad AA in 1997. Mcleod Should have as well. Ben Hart and Nigel Smart were All Australians before the premierships. Hart ended up an all Australian in 1992/1993/1999 and 2002. Smart Was AA in 1991, 1993 and 1998. Rehn before he did his knee was becoming the best ruck in the AFl in 1994 becoming AA that year. Two years off with knee re-cons but to come back in 1997 the way he did and then in 1998 become 4th in the brownlow. Jarman was a big game player. AA in 1992 95 and 96. He was a star. OK Edwards, Johnson and Goodwin were not. I agree with that.

Crows were ****n awesome to watch in the Blight period. Jarman was on a different level with his skill level and composure in monster moments

 

[Forward Press]

West Coast 1994/2006/2018, take your pick

 

[iameviljez]

You are right. Only Modra and Roo mad AA in 1997. Mcleod Should have as well. Ben Hart and Nigel Smart were All Australians before the premierships. Hart ended up an all Australian in 1992/1993/1999 and 2002. Smart Was AA in 1991, 1993 and 1998. Rehn before he did his knee was becoming the best ruck in the AFl in 1994 becoming AA that year. Two years off with knee re-cons but to come back in 1997 the way he did and then in 1998 become 4th in the brownlow. Jarman was a big game player. AA in 1992 95 and 96. He was a star. OK Edwards, Johnson and Goodwin were not. I agree with that.

Perhaps more broadly, there is the fact that the Crows went 13-9 in the H and A in both years. Not really a flag winning template.

Don’t get me wrong, winning in both years was great. But I don’t think a fall in 1999 so much counts as getting high off your own supply as much as it does returning to normalcy.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Perhaps more broadly, there is the fact that the Crows went 13-9 in the H and A in both years. Not really a flag winning template.

Don’t get me wrong, winning in both years was great. But I don’t think a fall in 1999 so much counts as getting high off your own supply as much as it does returning to normalcy.

Misleading that record in 97. Saints topped the ladder with 15-7. It was a close season. The Crows still finished 4th and they won all 4 finals, it was deserved but controversial with that Libertore point in the prelim. 1998 however was different with that stupid finals system that saw them lose in week 1 but not get eliminated. But that's they way it was back then. Same happened with the Blues in 1999 then the format got changed.

Adelaide were the best when it mattered.

 

[iameviljez]

Misleading that record in 97. Saints topped the ladder with 15-7. It was a close season. The Crows still finished 4th and they won all 4 finals, it was deserved but controversial with that Libertore point in the prelim. 1998 however was different with that stupid finals system that saw them lose in week 1 but not get eliminated. But that's they way it was back then. Same happened with the Blues in 1999 then the format got changed.

Adelaide were the best when it mattered.

They did have a fair whack of luck go their way in both years. 1997 - getting to play a semi-final at home vs 2nd-placed Geelong (along with the Colbert mark), and the 2-point win vs the Dogs the week later, though losing Riccuito and Modra were huge blows.

1998 - North Melbourne should have been out of sight by half-time. Adelaide, again, took their chances - but there was luck, too.

 

[crows dude]

They did have a fair whack of luck go their way in both years. 1997 - getting to play a semi-final at home vs 2nd-placed Geelong (along with the Colbert mark), and the 2-point win vs the Dogs the week later, though losing Riccuito and Modra were huge blows.

1998 - North Melbourne should have been out of sight by half-time. Adelaide, again, took their chances - but there was luck, too.

In 1997 we finished 4th and won the qualifying final. Geelong finished 2nd and lost to the 7th placed side. So we earnt the 2nd home final. Geelong should have beaten North Melboune.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

The finals format was a farce luckily they fixed it now. Cats only getting one home final which was at The G was stupid. Finishing 2nd then on the road in week 2. Appalling.

 

[iameviljez]

In 1997 we finished 4th and won the qualifying final. Geelong finished 2nd and lost to the 7th placed side. So we earnt the 2nd home final. Geelong should have beaten North Melboune.

Nah, it was a stupid system and we quite rightly changed it. The idea that you finish second but travel interstate in week two devalues the h and a season.

 

[Scotland]

Silly thread. WC made finals in 1993, 1995, 2007 and 2019.

1993 was an unusually even shortened 20 game season. 13 wins for 1st on the ladder 10 for 12th, then two teams on 4 wins and Sydney on one. WC finished 6th and pumped 3rd place North at Waverley before losing to Essendon who finished top. Still won the flag the following year to make it 3 GFs in 4 years and 2 flags.

1995 finished 5th then went out in straight sets under the rules of that final 8 system. Dudded by the MCG rule the following year. Then again in 99.

2007 everyone knows what happened losing the QF by 3 points with Cousins doing his hammy and Judd on one leg, then losing the SF with Cousins, Judd, Kerr all out in extra time.

2019 finished 5th. I am convinced that had we beaten Richmond in Rd 22 (they finished 3rd with one more win and won the flag) we would've gone on to win the premiership, but that's just an opinion. Small margins in footy. We don't beat Port after the siren in 2018 we don't win that flag.

No one rated the 2010s Eagles anyway. We were supposed to finish last in 2015 (RIP Wallsy) then made the GF in what is generally regarded as a weak year. Lost to the Bulldogs from 6th in 2016, scraped into 8th in 2017 on % in the last round and made the semis, then won one flag in another year people regard as weak. Weren't far off the pace in 2019/20 then the less said about since the better. But it's not like we were winning 17/18 games each year and playing in multiple GFs like Hawthorn, Sydney, Richmond etc.

 

[Blues177]

Blues of 96, Crows of 99, Roos of 2000 I can't say drank their own bath water. They simply weren't good enough.

Yep, Blues were cooked in the second half of 96. A prelude to 97 and several players such as Kernahan, Diesel & J Madden retiring over 2 years.

 

[Blues177]

Carlton 1971

Robert Walls admitted the blues celebrated the ‘70 GF for too long.
Lost in the opening round to reigning wooden spooner North Melbourne at Arden St. Some players starting to resent tongue lashings from Barassi. Missed the final 4 by half a game.