Premiership Window

[windows]

So you think a 20 y/o Gibbs could influence what happened to Fev? Or one of his mates in Judd would want him out?? Not even Sticks wanted him to go as he thought he could be fixed.

I would not be pointing a finger at any player.

The reason I say, steer away from the Fev stuff is because it's been done to death and we need to find a fix for our problems...

I only have 1 fix, Malthouse....

Well I'm more confused than ever. If none of his mates and the President wanted him gone, who DID? Ratten? We listened to RATTEN? Surely not. Say it isn't so Joe.

I have another fix. Roos. We need a new President too. To have a President and Coach who have the combined IQ of the population median of one person is frightening. I'm sick of the mediocrity.

 

[windows]

Carlton is a lot better off now than with Fevola. Windows, you are wrong on so many different levels. We have the potential to have one of the most dynamic forward line structures in the AFL. I guarantee you were not making these claims last year when we had Betts, Garlett, Walker and others continually bobbing up and kicking match winniing totals.

Carlton does not need the Coleman medalist to win a premiership. If I could find a site that gave a list of seasonal goal kickers for each season over the past decade that didn't include finals you would see how there is not much correlation between the Coleman medalist (and leading goal kickers) and team success. In fact, at least twice over the past decade the Coleman medalist has failed to make the finals altogether.

The team needs a healthy summer, a better forward coach who can capitalize on the dynamic nature offered by our smaller forwards and perhaps the introduction of one or two players. To put it down to the team needing a Brendan Fevola type forward is very short sighted given that our best success over the past decade came in a year when we had three players in the top eleven goal kickers. This year two of them, Garlett and Walker, had down years due to both injuries to themselves and the effect of injuries to other players.

We have so many more important holes to fill than relying on a Fevola type forward.

Oh really? What levels am I wrong on champ? List them. Let's debate them point by point.

You're happy with the dynamic forward line? What's our record like against good sides in the last few years? Shocking. That small forward dynamic forward line works well against average sides who we can out run and out spread. When we get pressured and the space dries up we bomb long and get out marked. We look up and have nothing convincing to kick to. Thats what happens repeatedly against better sides. You could point to the Pies wins but we know they are aberations. They are not representative of the norm. The norm is what drives ladder position and finals results and being short a decent competitive key forward is one of several major problems we have. I didn't say we needed a Coleman medalist. I said to say we are better off without Fev is moronic. But you're advocating a Bulldogs style structure. As is repeatedly pointed out, a side without a competent tall forward RARELY wins a premiership.

At least you agree we have so many important holes to fill. Which was the point of my original post.

 

[windows]

Carlton is a lot better off now than with Fevola. Windows, you are wrong on so many different levels. We have the potential to have one of the most dynamic forward line structures in the AFL. I guarantee you were not making these claims last year when we had Betts, Garlett, Walker and others continually bobbing up and kicking match winniing totals.

Carlton does not need the Coleman medalist to win a premiership. If I could find a site that gave a list of seasonal goal kickers for each season over the past decade that didn't include finals you would see how there is not much correlation between the Coleman medalist (and leading goal kickers) and team success. In fact, at least twice over the past decade the Coleman medalist has failed to make the finals altogether.

The team needs a healthy summer, a better forward coach who can capitalize on the dynamic nature offered by our smaller forwards and perhaps the introduction of one or two players. To put it down to the team needing a Brendan Fevola type forward is very short sighted given that our best success over the past decade came in a year when we had three players in the top eleven goal kickers. This year two of them, Garlett and Walker, had down years due to both injuries to themselves and the effect of injuries to other players.

We have so many more important holes to fill than relying on a Fevola type forward.

BTW that 'success' you speak of won ONE final, against a shit Essendon side. I'm hoping for more than that.

 

[pepalenko]

So we are talking about the premiership window and not Fev right?
Is there a rule about how often the window can open?
I think Fev would work out as well as when Plugger came back.

 

[Big Red is back]

Our window will open when Malthouse joins

Very bullish 2014 should be our year

2013 will be tough as need new structures

 

[Claypigeon]

Our window will open when Malthouse joins

Very bullish 2014 should be our year

2013 will be tough as need new structures

I still think this would delay our window and just give peoplelike the OP more ammunition that a non-existant window has closed. .. It was meant to be opening this year. .. We can debate that but to say that Ratten took over a ready made side with their window open when we'd won 3 spoons in 4years. .. We went 16, 16, 15 (Ratts took over), 11, 7, 8, 5, 10? ..

We can hyperbolize what the affect of having a Malthouse in place early doors would have achieved but the mythical "premiership window" surely cannot be said to have ever opened. .. The time is not to panic though and hopefully the club sticks to its guns and goes through the process at seasons end. .. There is still one more week until that starts, the review doesn't end when the season ends. ..

 

[BlueDiesel]

Im with you Windows Fev would look great in that forward line. He always got you up and about and with out knowing the full story on the inside it looked like alot of PC gone bad. When ever an individual tries to be an individual they get taken down. Love your passion Windows. But he's gone now. Premiership Window? If the boys put in our best is very good. Poor Ratts coaching a side that will do damage in finals to coaching a train wreck. Windows is right Fev had alot more guts then most of those boys on the park.

 

[chunkylover53]

Another poster arguing with summaries instead of facts. Are the facts of my post wrong? If so, which ones? You see a strong up and coming young group do you? Several A grade All Australians there? Who are they? You think Judd et al have plenty left in them? I'll bet you Judd is never an All Australian again. Who else will be? Murph? That's it....

Nobody knows how good their list is. After '06 you think Geelong supporters knew that..
Scarlett, Milburn, Egan, Bartel, JOHNSON, Mooney, Ablett, Corey and Ling would be All-Australian? As well as Mark Thompson as coach?

 

[Claypigeon]

Im with you Windows Fev would look great in that forward line. He always got you up and about and with out knowing the full story on the inside it looked like alot of PC gone bad. When ever an individual tries to be an individual they get taken down. Love your passion Windows. But he's gone now. Premiership Window? If the boys put in our best is very good. Poor Ratts coaching a side that will do damage in finals to coaching a train wreck. Windows is right Fev had alot more guts then most of those boys on the park.

You're talking about the same Fev that would pick up his bat and ball and head off on a sook every time he didn't get the ball on a dime and couldn't share the forward line with another key marking forward. .. Who then pissed on the clubs multiple chances by continuing to commit acts of childish behaviour off the field, some of which he was lucky not to have been formally charged over. .. The same player that it was said, had our now major sponsor in Mars questioning signing of a contracts. .. Poison on the field, weapon of mass destruction off the field. .. Sure it was a failure of the club administration not to pull him into line sooner but by the time Ratts got him, he was well and truly broken. .. and still is. ..

 

[PP34]

Amazing how every ****wit Carlton supporter in Australia returns after a bad loss. On the radio and now Bigfooty!

 

[Silvagnis]

To have a President and Coach who have the combined IQ of the population median of one person is frightening. I'm sick of the mediocrity.

You shouldn't be using that argument in light of your record as a poster and online list manager.

 

[Cringle]

We need a Malthouse or Eade type of coach. One that will put fear into the players. To many times this year Ive seen week ass quarters only to see Ratten addressing them as if they're 30 points up. I for one can see Gibbs turning into an elite with a coach like Malthouse. To bad the lie detector test confirmed he wont be coaching Carlton.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well you're wrong too. Many on this website have been wrong about a million things for years. Just add yourself to the list. When the coach is saying Waite is "our Franklin" you know the forward line is devoid of presence and potency. Fevola hasn't been convicted of a crime. Isn't in jail. He had a problem on the piss. And a big ego. Funny that we got rid of him because guys like Gibbs wouldn't tolerate him. He had heart Fev. He was a superstar. He would have stood up on a night like last night. Gibbs wouldn't carry his bags to the ground. I'd like to hear that other players don't want to play with Gibbs any more because he is spineless. A far worse crime than Fev ever committed. Get some ******* perspective.

We got rid of Fev because the nancy boys he plays with didn't like what he did. Pussies. All of them.

Ridiculous. We got rid of Fev because he was costing us sponsors and embarrassing the club. As for thinking Fev would have stood up last night, I went to Carrara in 2009 vs Fremantle and watched the most petulant, selfish, disinterested display from a footballer I have ever seen. Every Carlton supporter at the ground was booing him, and he just tried less and less. McPharlin intercepted almost every ball meant for Fev by running past him. Fev barely left the goal area all night and did not even attempt to chase McPharlin. What's worse is that he had the one on one match up and open forward line he so craved and opted not to even try.

He had 5 possessions, 2 marks (both inside 50 because he didn't go looking for the ball), 1 goal, 0 goal assists, and 1 tackle. He had no free kicks for or against as he wasn't in the game. We lost that game by 7 points.

I'll never entertain anybody telling me what Fev 'would have' done. Fev did what he wanted, when he wanted.

 

[mediumsizered]

Our window will open when Malthouse joins

Very bullish 2014 should be our year

2013 will be tough as need new structures

So you don't think if Ratts is to be replaced that we should follow a proper process to appoint the best coach for our club going forward? Malthouse is definitely the only viable candidate because he has coached 3 premierships in a 28 season career, over 3 clubs? Denis Pagan had coached 2 premierships before coming to Carlton & was considered to be one of the best coaches in the competition at the time. Pagan was appointed on the basis of his successful coaching record, but 5 years later he was no longer the answer. Instead Ratts was given the job, without a proper interview process being undertaken by the club, & now 5 years later, Ratts is apparently no longer the answer.

If we are going to appoint a new coach it would be an indication that the club has learned nothing from the last decade (or longer) if we automatically appoint Malthouse without a proper process. Malthouse may well be the answer, but recent history indicates there are some assistant coaches already in the system who are perhaps better equipped to coach successfully in the modern game. This whole concept that appointing Malthouse as our coach will ensure premiership success is flawed. It is quite possible our next premiership coach could be anyone of a number of the current assistant coaches in the AFL system.

 

[zeggie]

He had heart Fev. He was a superstar. He would have stood up on a night like last night.

Have you ever heard the term "rose tinted glasses"?

He had another chance, in another state, with another team and another coach and still managed to f$%^ it all up.

He's gone, he's not coming back. Good riddance.

How do you like those facts?

 

[zeggie]

To bad the lie detector test confirmed he wont be coaching Carlton.

Malthouse denied he was leaving the Eagles until the very end. Then he's all over the papers shaking Eddie's hand the next day.

Never say never.