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With the game becoming more based around pressure, I think you'll find teams having years like WB and Richmond where they do well but can't replicate it over a number of years. It wouldn't surprise me to see Richmond have a similar 2018 season to the Bulldogs 2017.
This was something I was considering and will be interested to see how the Tigers back up next year regardless of the weekends result. The manic pressure style game while effective the Dogs just couldn't get it going this year, I think it's very taxing and soon as your momentum breaks it can unravel quick, especially if you stop getting that perfect 22 man contribution.
 

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Think that’s s big part of it, game plans catching the competition snoozing. That’s a massive improvement from Richmond year on year.

If it was St Kilda or Melbourne in the GF this thread wouldn’t exist as most people tipped them as the big improvers based on natural progression of a list and premiership window logic. Most people didn’t see this coming from Richmond at all and list profile wisdom wouldn’t have forecast it.
Looking back on it, it makes more sense that Richmond have been more successful in 2017 than Melbourne or St Kilda. They've had 3 years of finals before stumbling last year to regroup this year. They've kept up with the trends of smaller dynamic forward lines, and obviously just improved their work rate from last year. Of the 2013 EF side that faced Carlton, I'd say there'd be a fair few playing next weekend.
 

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Just a very quick comment without much thought. But could totally see GWS get to the GF next year. Two losing prelims in a row and the list profile would have them just about flag favs 2018.
They would need to work a hell of a lot harder, not sure how the GPS data finished up but in both the Crows and Tigers games there were points where it was shown on TV and they were being beaten convincingly in terms of distance covered and whatnot. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend as just to the naked eye and whenever I've seen them live they look like a team that needs to run for each other a lot more.
 

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This was something I was considering and will be interested to see how the Tigers back up next year regardless of the weekends result. The manic pressure style game while effective the Dogs just couldn't get it going this year, I think it's very taxing and soon as your momentum breaks it can unravel quick, especially if you stop getting that perfect 22 man contribution.
That's it. All it takes is 2-3 guys in the chain to drop off and it breaks down. Bit like the Dogs this year. It is going to take a bit hit on your endurance long term. Look at Adelaide who've got that smooth, silky game where they transition really nicely. I'll be interested to see how both Richmond and the WB go next year.
 

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Richmonds draw had to put them in contention as it was pretty soft but they've played better than I predicted

They're probably more "worthy" than the Doggies last year who drew luck with the bye then impressively ran the gauntlet

But Adelaide look bloody good this year
 

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They would need to work a hell of a lot harder, not sure how the GPS data finished up but in both the Crows and Tigers games there were points where it was shown on TV and they were being beaten convincingly in terms of distance covered and whatnot. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend as just to the naked eye and whenever I've seen them live they look like a team that needs to run for each other a lot more.
They definitely don't work hard enough. They have elite skills, but they lack some real dogged types who work hard both ways. I think a lot of their players are getting a shock of what it's like at this level in a final. The scary thing is, work rate can be improved really quite quickly.
 

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Did the Lions have that physicality before their run or was it developed as they kept winning premierships?

I guess I'm wondering if GWS need to recruit a few more campaigners or just find their inner campaigner
The Lions just clicked in 2001. They'd always had that list, but I think there was a point in which they realised that successful sides are hard uncompromising brutes. They probably mimicked Essendon of 2000 a lot. In fact Essendon of 99-01 were very much like Brisbane of 01-03, except Essendon choked in 99 and the Lions weren't going to be stopped in 01.

Having unsocial players like Voss, the Scott brothers, Johnson, Leppa, Lynch, Brown, Aker, Michael etc is always going to help your cause.
 

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They would need to work a hell of a lot harder, not sure how the GPS data finished up but in both the Crows and Tigers games there were points where it was shown on TV and they were being beaten convincingly in terms of distance covered and whatnot. Wouldn't be surprised if this is a trend as just to the naked eye and whenever I've seen them live they look like a team that needs to run for each other a lot more.
I think they may have got ahead of themselves a little. Some of the media had them winning the next 5 flags. Could be a wake up call.
 

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Yep, so much of GWS' core is just entering their prime with two tough finals lossess under their belt. There's a bit of the Lions before the 3-peat about them.

They probably lack that supreme physical edge that Lions team had though. You really need that in scrappy finals.
Big difference being lions had leigh mathews as coach,Giants have leon cameron............
 

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Of the 2013 EF side that faced Carlton, I'd say there'd be a fair few playing next weekend.
There's 10 players who played in the 2013 EF that played yesterday.

1. Trent Cotchin
2. Shane Edwards
3. Brandon Ellis
4. Shaun Grigg
5. Dylan Grimes
6. Bachar Houli
7. Dustin Martin
8. Alex Rance
9. Jack Riewoldt
10. Nick Vlastuin
 

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Richmonds draw had to put them in contention as it was pretty soft but they've played better than I predicted

They're probably more "worthy" than the Doggies last year who drew luck with the bye then impressively ran the gauntlet

But Adelaide look bloody good this year
I think the draw is becoming a bigger factor each year.

Richmond got a bottom 6 draw after playing finals the previous 3 seasons and made the most of it. I certainly didn't see it coming. They are a completely different team to last year, minus the couple of fade outs earlier in the year.

I'll be on Melbourne to push for a top 4 spot next year. They are in the 7-12 group with us, Essendon, Bulldogs, Hawks and St Kida and none of those sides are setting the world on fire and a couple will be in bottom 6 predictions for next year. The Dees played much better footy than we did this year, but one Rd 23 **** up gave us their spot in the 8. They'll learn from that.

Collingwood will have a bottom 6 draw so if they actually play properly for once could threaten also. That seems unlikely, though.
 
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