Training Preseason 2021

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I was taught at a young age to stand on the inside when mannng the Mark. Force the kick down the line or over your head if they want to change next inside. As long as you didn’t go onside the protected area. This rule had been made up for the sake of making a rule.

it has annoyed me that the player with the ball has been given enormous latitude in moving laterally before the umps have been calling play-on. as soon as the player with the ball moves to the side to get an advantage it should be play-on. one step.

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

Yep ,that's my thinking as well .I posted that a week a go .Don't run up to the mark and then you can move laterally.

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I take this as you're 'rooted' to the mark, if you move back...well that would qualify as moving off the mark in any direction

"for players standing on the mark, with 50m penalties to be imposed on players who move - outside a one metre "level of tolerance" - laterally off the mark before 'play on' has been called."


but hey, try anything once...in the praccy...then you'd know for sure.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Actually think its one of the better rules created lately, ive heard its had the support of coaches as well who say its helping create more free flowing passages of play during match.

That said, i think they should be able to move around a bit to try put their opponent off, making them stand like statues seems unnecessary. I do like the rule that they cant switch up who stands on the mark though

Another example of the umpires not enforcing the rule correctly. If they pay a 50 or two early on, the players realise straight away that the rule will be enforced. There's certainly no need to change the rule (how ridiculous to have the players stand there like a statue - it's going to look ridiculous) but Shocking has a history of making this kind of arbitrary change without thinking it through. Name ONE good rule he's introduced that has benefitted the game. The goal square is now defunct. Ruckmen having to nominate like kindy. Scoring lower than ever. The bloke is a dickhead. Straight up.

 

[box070]

it has annoyed me that the player with the ball has been given enormous latitude in moving laterally before the umps have been calling play-on. as soon as the player with the ball moves to the side to get an advantage it should be play-on. one step.

AFL coaches will outsmart it. If I was approaching the mark I wouldn’t approach it straight on. I’d come from the angle to which the player wants to go for an inside kick. The umpire isn’t going to stop the game to straighten you up if your a few degrees off centre but have approached the mark that way and haven’t moved after being told to stand

 

[YeOldTiger]

Some teams were taking the piss with how they were encroaching on the mark to stop the 45 degree kick. It wasn’t just lateral movement they were closing the gap. I’m glad that is being snuffed out, the other stuff seems like a bit of overkill but they really needed to stop the huge lateral movement. It shouldn’t be allowed if the player taking the kick isn’t allowed lateral movement either

If the umpire enforces the current rule and puts the player back on the mark and makes him stay there (or pay a 50) the rule works fine ! Another tinkering joke of a rule which will look stupid when seen in practice. Bookmark it.

 

[YeOldTiger]

Defense is part of every sport, why arent they actually allowed to defend?

Theres no point in having a man on the mark now, may as well throw a cone down where the mark is taken.

The fact that you cant even move side to side is just a ******* joke tbh.

Exactly. Why can't players defend !?
It's a skill like any other. Of course the afl and Ch7 need goals goals goals to stuff those ads in. Ironically scoring is worse than ever. 30 goals from a key forward is now seen as a successful year. Leave the bloody game alone.

 

[YeOldTiger]

At certain times in the game, when two players are isolated, watch for the player with the ball, basically walking around the bloke on the mark and the marker not being able to do anything about it until the umpire called play on. What now is actually the point of having someone on the mark if they aren't allowed to move at all. Bad joke of a rule...again !

What would be better would be to modify the existing rule to allow the marker to move laterally ONE step either way once the ump has set the mark. Solves the problem and keeps some integrity in the skill of manning the mark.

 

[box070]

At certain times in the game, when two players are isolated, watch for the player with the ball, basically walking around the bloke on the mark and the marker not being able to do anything about it until the umpire called play on. What now is actually the point of having someone on the mark if they aren't allowed to move at all. Bad joke of a rule...again !

What would be better would be to modify the existing rule to allow the marker to move laterally ONE step either way once the ump has set the mark. Solves the problem and keeps some integrity in the skill of manning the mark.

Literally just said the same thing to a mate. You have someone on your hip run directly at the man on the mark (straight so they can’t call play on) handball to the player on your hip. He has momentum so can probably run another 5-10 and pump it long. You can see this happening just outside the arcs and players having a shot.

 

[69vintage]

If the defending player doesn't stand on the exact mark then he should be able to move anyway.
If the mark is at the 50 m line and you stand at 45 you're not on the mark .

I take this as you're 'rooted' to the mark, if you move back...well that would qualify as moving off the mark in any direction

"for players standing on the mark, with 50m penalties to be imposed on players who move - outside a one metre "level of tolerance" - laterally off the mark before 'play on' has been called."
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but hey, try anything once...in the praccy...then you'd know for sure.

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[captain blood 17]

Tiger-Woods cup

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Yep ,that's my thinking as well .I posted that a week a go .Don't run up to the mark and then you can move laterally.

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i bet if you don't go all the way to the mark the umps will be told to call a 50 for being in the 10m protected zone since you're not the man on the mark. so it's either stand still on the mark or be 10m away

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

If the defending player doesn't stand on the exact mark then he should be able to move anyway.
If the mark is at the 50 m line and you stand at 45 you're not on the mark .

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as i said, try it out in the praccy and see how the umps take it...cos I certainly don't know how they'll apply the rules.

when you say

"If the defending player doesn't stand on the exact mark then he should be able to move anyway."

you're guessing at the rules, unless you can tell me that yes the players have already tried this out and it's all OK with Shocking.

 

[Football Tragic]

Is it worth manning the mark? Could the opposition player start further back and move forward laterally once the ball carrier plays on? Would this be seen as impeding the protected area?

As the new rule stands, the player on the mark is now a passive witches hat that has to watch the ball carrier sprint around them. As long as, as soon as the ball carrier does play on, the player on the mark can also play on to stop them, I'll live with it. Teams will need to change their zone set up to stop that 45 degree kick, which has always been a strength of ours.

Fingers crossed that this is just another of Hockings 'game-changer' rules that actually make no difference what so ever. He's good at them.

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

this sorta illustrates how it will turn out

new rule change

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has taken a swipe at the AFL’s newly introduced man on the mark rule, likening it to Auskick.
The new rule will see an immediate 50-metre penalty paid if there is any noticeable lateral movement by an opposition player when standing the mark.
“We absolutely just want to see greater flow, that’s what we want to see,” Steve Hocking told Channel 7.

“We want to see players do random acts, see more instinctive acts and take the game on.

“Hopefully what the fans get to see is a better balance between attack and defence, that’s what we’re trying to achieve.”

But it’s a decision which frustrated Cornes, with umpires set to yell “stand” when a player reaches the mark.

“The biggest concern around this is the AFL is turning into Auskick,” Cornes said on SEN SA Breakfast.

“Already, we’ve had the most ridiculous rule that has ever infested the world of an AFL football game and that is you have to nominate two ruckmen, one from each team, before you can contest a ruck contest.

“The umpire, before he throws it up, ‘Who’s up?’. You’ve got to put your hand up as if you’re playing Auskick where you change the ruck around and you’ve got to nominate to go up.

AFL umpires will be forced to yell “stand” when a player reaches the mark.

“Now you’ve got this ridiculous command. An umpire blowing the whistle, motioning with his hand like he’s at a school crossing and saying ‘stand’ to a grown AFL footballer.

“It’s almost comical that our game, via the rule changes, is turning into what you would see on a Sunday morning at Auskick.

“That’s no disrespect to the Auskick kids but. Obviously at that age you do need a bit more command from your umpires.

“You don’t need it at AFL level and what it’s going to cause is complete confusion.

“Some rules have been ok in the game, some haven’t and I’m not convinced this is going to be one of those.”

AFL umpires have been at all clubs throughout the pre-season helping them adjust to the changes.

The pre-season competition begins on Thursday March 4.

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So, Ray points to the spot and yells "Stand!!"...you can't then pretend not to hear him (or deliberately ignore him) and stand a few metres back and do whatever you like. That's how I see it but yeah wait til the praccy matches and see for sure.

If you stubbornly stand 5m back...Ray might say...OK...STAND where you are...that's where the mark is now....you can't MOVE from this spot...you've just cost your team 5m (all hypotheticals, I don't know for sure...)

 

[Grrr]

Yep ,that's my thinking as well .I posted that a week a go .Don't run up to the mark and then you can move laterally.

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New rule: there will be no diagonal backwards running, {with exception of umpires of course}.
Players found running backwards diagonally will incur a 50m penalty.
If players do not man the mark at all.
New rule: Players within the 5m vicinity who choose not to take the mark, whether running diagonally or not will....
incur a 50m penalty..... and so it goes.

 

[Sol23]

Leave the game alone!

 

[biaseddustyfan]

inb4 they claim their changes a huge success as scoring increases this year (while ignoring that quarters return to longer length)

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

remains to be seen who the STAND rule will benefit most, depends on game style, at this stage I say the Cats since
they lead the mark average (2020)
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[Hank Heavenly]

marks and Free kicks for... that will show the true toll, we at the bottom of one and bottom half of the other

 

[tora tora tora]

2019 new rules were

• "Clubs must have six players inside both 50m arcs, with one player inside the goalsquare.Four midfield players must start inside the centre square with the two wingmen stationed along the wing."
• "At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goalsquare. Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goalsquare, rather than the existing five metres."
• "When defenders mark or receive a free kick within nine metres of their own goal, the man on the mark will be brought in line with the top of the goalsquare."
• "Team runners may only enter the playing surface after a goal has been kicked and must exit before play restarts. Water carriers are not permitted to enter the playing surface during live play."
• "Players will be prohibited from setting up behind the umpire at centre bounces."
• "50m Penalties: The player with the ball must be allowed to advance the mark by 50m without the infringing player delaying the game. Will be able to play on while the 50m penalty is being measured out."
• "Kicking for goal after the siren: A player who has been awarded a mark or free kick once play has ended will now be able to kick across their body using a snap or check-side kick BUT must kick the ball directly in line with the man on the mark and the goal."
• "The 'hands in the back’ rule interpretation has been repealed so a player can now place his hands on the back of his opponent to protect his position in a marking contest PROVIDED he does not push his opponent in the back."
• "A ruckman who takes direct possession of the ball from a bounce, throw-up or boundary throw-in will no longer be regarded as having had prior opportunity. Where there is uncertainty over who is the designated ruckman, the ruckman for each team will still be required to nominate to the field umpire."

we've won 2 flags since.

Steve & Gil thanks for flag 3 (since start of 2019)

 

[RFCGloryJC]

Like Dimma says, if you are 10 per cent off in sport performance you pay the cost.
Millman was approximately 35th in the world, Moutet was 75th.
Moutet shorter, far more agile and faster around the court, better at net shots.
Millman was gasping for air, less match fit.
Millman goneski.

 

[Chunky09]

it has annoyed me that the player with the ball has been given enormous latitude in moving laterally before the umps have been calling play-on. as soon as the player with the ball moves to the side to get an advantage it should be play-on. one step.

It’s so irritating the obsession with rule changes just to manufacture more scoring.
These dumb shits have no f ing clue that coaches will just find another way around it.
I for one prefer to see a good battle between great offensive players and defenders, the game is being way to weighted to suit the forwards and its lead to teams employing team defense, which in turn has lead to the constant rule changes.
It’s mind blowing they can’t see it whilst the majority of the public see it clear as day.

 

[HTT]

It’s so irritating the obsession with rule changes just to manufacture more scoring.
These dumb shits have no f ing clue that coaches will just find another way around it.
I for one prefer to see a good battle between great offensive players and defenders, the game is being way to weighted to suit the forwards and its lead to teams employing team defense, which in turn has lead to the constant rule changes.
It’s mind blowing they can’t see it whilst the majority of the public see it clear as day.

Another off season where the coaches have to waste their time trying to fix defensive structures they know work, but the league is insistent on breaking.
If they could dedicate their time to working out how to actually beat such structures, perhaps the game will open up without the need for constant rule changes.

 

[Tigeral]

Another off season where the coaches have to waste their time trying to fix defensive structures they know work, but the league is insistent on breaking.
If they could dedicate their time to working out how to actually beat such structures, perhaps the game will open up without the need for constant rule changes.

 

[Tigeral]

Well guess who plays first up while the umps work it all out? That’s right, us again! Gonna be a lot of 50m penalties