Pretenders versus the Contenders World Cup 2022 Bid

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Rather old clip to be posting, isn't it? Saw that two or three months ago- and was actually posted in one of the other threads, I'm certain.

Love the TV windbags getting wound up- nice that they can get paid for spouting their crap, I suppose...but doesn't mean a thing- what the 24 delegates will say in three months is what matters- and i don't think ANYONE knows what that will be.
 

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Actually as you can see this clip was only done in August 2010, just after the FIFA delegation arrived, which is last month, only just. As for nobody knowing what's going to happen you are right but what we do know is that the states are almost guaranteed 2026 and for Australia if the 2022 bid fails then pretty much Australia won't host this century.
 
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Thats correct.The USA are basically the only country in the world that is guaranteed hosting rights because they are the standout bid from CONCACAF.The way things are at present they will definitely host in 2026 as UEFA and the AFC wouldn't be allowed to bid,while CAF would really struggle to mount a credible case and CONMEBOL are extremely keen to host the centennial WC in Argentina/Uruguay.
I think this fallback position ,which is an amazing luxury to have weakens the current US argument for 18/22 which is great for Australia's bid
Meanwhile if we miss out then its curtains for us as we won't be able to compete with a Chinese bid in 8 years or an Indian one in 20.By then its back to Japan or Korea.
Thats my lifetime then and there:(
 

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One major flaw with your arguments, gentlemen- in 2026, UEFA WILL be able to bid again, assuming they win 2018, which looks certain- the current FIFA regs only prohibit one confederation holding two cups in a row, which is why there is a massive thread on china's intention to bid for 2026- the giant elephant (panda?) in the bedroom for an Australian bid- because FIFA and UEFA may like the idea of three massive, profitable cups in a row- England in 2018, the USA in 2022 and China in 2026, where advertising rates would be huge and stadia would be packed with people- think averaging over 50 000 and close to 60 000 per match. Yes, UEFA misses out on alternate hosting, but if the deal was also in place (and remember, we are dealing with an organization as corrupt as the ICC) for erope to host in 2030 for the hundredth anniversary (Italy? Spain? Who knows?)

BTW- my point on the video was more that it is old and has been posted here before- don't see the point for it, honestly.
 

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One major flaw with your arguments, gentlemen- in 2026, UEFA WILL be able to bid again, assuming they win 2018, which looks certain-
You are incorrect actually, should UEFA/Europe win 2018 then they will be unable to bid for the 2 following world cups i.e 2022 and 2026, the next available bid for Europe will be 2030, which means the US will almost be guaranteed 2026.
 

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You are incorrect actually, should UEFA/Europe win 2018 then they will be unable to bid for the 2 following world cups i.e 2022 and 2026, the next available bid for Europe will be 2030, which means the US will almost be guaranteed 2026.
Think you are wrong there- the two World Cup exclusion WAS the rule earlier this century, but I think it has been changed, effective after the 2014 World Cup- the idea was to make sure that africa ad south America got cups, as South America has not hosted since Mexico (OK, CONCACAF, but it is close, and many would think of Mexico as more South American than North American in 1986.

Can't find anything formal, though- maybe somebody can find it written somewhere on the fIFA site one way or another.
 
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Definitely 2 world cups out-unless you can find me evidence otherwise.Good luck with that:)

Its actually become a major point now internationally,accepted by Americans that if they were to miss 18/22 and did bid in 26 that its theirs,they just don't want to wait that long and fair enough.
Unfortunately for them though their own global sponsors,along with the other FIFA sponsors are desperate for a WC in Australia beamed to 4.6 billion Asians in primetime
I'll be quite happy to go to the USA in 2026 though,have some great contacts from SA
 

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Think you are wrong there- the two World Cup exclusion WAS the rule earlier this century, but I think it has been changed, effective after the 2014 World Cup- the idea was to make sure that africa ad south America got cups, as South America has not hosted since Mexico (OK, CONCACAF, but it is close, and many would think of Mexico as more South American than North American in 1986.

Can't find anything formal, though- maybe somebody can find it written somewhere on the fIFA site one way or another.
Hope this is clear enough for you :thumbsu:

African Football Confederation (CAF) member associations were excluded from bidding to host the 2018 FIFA World Cup, because South Africa is hosting the 2010 FIFA World Cup. South American Football Confederation (CONMEBOL) member associations were excluded from bidding to host the 2018 and/or 2022 FIFA World Cup, because Brazil is hosting the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/bidders/biddingprocess.html
 

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USALion is right. The rule regarding excluding hosting confederations from bidding for the next 2 World Cups was only brought in because of the rotation policy (South America and Africa were both guaranteed a World Cup each, hence why they can't bid for 2018/2022).

Now that the rotation policy has been scrapped, it is back to the normal FIFA policy of one confederation not being able to host 2 successive World Cups. I suspect that 2026 will go to one of either Russia or Spain - 2030 will go to Uruguay/Argentina, 2034 will go to the losing 2026 UEFA bid and then 2038 would be where the Chinese come in (or another USA bid if they fail for 2022 hosting rights).
 

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Now that the rotation policy has been scrapped, it is back to the normal FIFA policy of one confederation not being able to host 2 successive World Cups. I suspect that 2026 will go to one of either Russia or Spain - 2030 will go to Uruguay/Argentina, 2034 will go to the losing 2026 UEFA bid and then 2038 would be where the Chinese come in (or another USA bid if they fail for 2022 hosting rights).
I don't see the scrapping of any policy. The current policy was brought in due to Brazil getting the 2014 world cup without any competition, it had nothing to do with South Africa or anybody else getting a world cup. The policy was altered to increase competition for the bidding process, FIFA has achieved that. There will be no further rule changes, why should they change something, that clearly works. Also 2034 will be china's turn and uruguay more than likely 2030, although it could easily end up in Europe, as they will be allowed to bid for that world cup. South America may want the world cup in 2030, but that in no way means they will get it.
 

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If you were a sponsor wouldn't you rather go primetime to an extra 3,640,000,000 people???:eek:

Thats right,the argument only works for 2026:eek::eek:
Not when the major consumer market that you target for wuld be getting it at early to mid morning (Western Europe and the Americas). Qatar or the USa for tose areas- right in prime time.

You go to ?China in 2026 because the host nation will have vast benefits from the advertisers coming there- those advertisers will be looking for stronger footholds in China, which will boom through corportations coming to their country- not by having an event a few thousand miles south, but in the same time zone.
 

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Not when the major consumer market that you target for wuld be getting it at early to mid morning (Western Europe and the Americas). Qatar or the USa for tose areas- right in prime time.

You go to ?China in 2026 because the host nation will have vast benefits from the advertisers coming there- those advertisers will be looking for stronger footholds in China, which will boom through corportations coming to their country- not by having an event a few thousand miles south, but in the same time zone.
The major consumer markets advertisers want to target are in Asia, the USA and Europe is already saturated with advertising. By 2020 Asia's population is expected to be four times that of North America and Europe combined. Asia already is the biggest television audience for the football world cup and the growth within football is in Asia. I'm not sure why people go on about China because frankly not only is China's football not up to scratch, it's football/sporting associations are filled with corruption, it's government is based on communist totalitarianism and it's infrastructure is clearly not up to scratch for the hosting of a football world cup. I'm not sure when it'll be ready but it's certainly not in the too near future, 2034 would have to be the closest possible date for China as even the AFC president has told.

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Not when the major consumer market that you target for wuld be getting it at early to mid morning (Western Europe and the Americas). Qatar or the USa for tose areas- right in prime time.

You go to ?China in 2026 because the host nation will have vast benefits from the advertisers coming there- those advertisers will be looking for stronger footholds in China, which will boom through corportations coming to their country- not by having an event a few thousand miles south, but in the same time zone.
You're having a laugh.
If Qatar hosts you'll have matches at 2.30am in Los Angeles-------HOW IS THAT PRIMETIME:)
CONMEBOL and CONCACAF will only have a predicted total population of 1.048 billion folks.It is truly the number 3 and 4 markets for FIFA and its sponsors behind UEFA and way behind the AFC with 4.688 billion people.
Europe will not get matches any earlier than 7.30am ,the UK -6.30am.So all daylight matches in Europe and most in the afternoon:thumbsu:
Small markets such as the Americas will just have to suck it up,although some matches will be in LA at 10.30pm
China would obviously appreciate the extra place available in the AFC if Australia hosts in '22.Just imagine the sponsors rubbing their hands as 4.688 billion get primetime
Australia give FIFA a 1460 day headstart in Asia on any potential Chinese bid-one that doesn't even exist
 

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China's just got too many problems in terms of pollution, overcrowding (100km traffic jams occurring in China) and political issues for FIFA to even consider touching them. You can capitalise on the Chinese market by hosting the World Cup in the East Asian timezone (Chinese viewing figures were huge for World Cup 02) without having to actually host the event there. Apart from the British Isles, many countries in Europe have a break during the middle of the day which works out perfectly for hosting games at 8.30pm in Eastern States (around the middle of the day in Europe). Australia fits in perfectly to all timezones other then the Americas.
 
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