Roast Pretty weak..

[Jezzitizle]

The flock of geese on here who continuoulsy snipe off kids like Walters and Pitt. Happens every year. Walters is (allegedly) lazy, a trait that Mundy (allegedly) shared, until, oh wait, suddenly he is our best midfielder. And could end up being our best midfielder ever when he retires. And why bag Pitt?? Why?? Walters has sublime skill, he's as good a field kick as Hill, and his goal kicking under pressure is exemplary for someone his age. Add to that clean skills.. I mean seriously bit of patience.

They aren't lazy, or weak or anything else, the problem is they aren't mature.

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[docker_champ29]

The flock of geese on here who continuoulsy snipe off kids like Walters and Pitt. Happens every year. Walters is (allegedly) lazy, a trait that Mundy (allegedly) shared, until, oh wait, suddenly he is our best midfielder. And could end up being our best midfielder ever when he retires. And why bag Pitt?? Why?? Walters has sublime skill, he's as good a field kick as Hill, and his goal kicking under pressure is exemplary for someone his age. Add to that clean skills.. I mean seriously bit of patience.

They aren't lazy, or weak or anything else, the problem is they aren't mature.

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I agree. Haven't noticed any of this recently though tbh.

 

[dominguez]

The fact that Mundy's now among our top 2 midfielders (big call saying that he's better than Barlow) doesn't mean that his workrate was topshelf earlier in his career.

Walters is a better kick than Hill IMO. If he had deBoer's workrate and could stay fit he'd be close to an All Australian player instead of a fringe player.

 

[Pavsgold]

Mundy has always played well I reckon.

I've always loved to watch him play, and he's actually my favourite player.

Unfairly criticized for a long time, lots of you guys need to lighten up a bit on the insults.

 

[pistol17]

The fact that Mundy's now among our top 2 midfielders (big call saying that he's better than Barlow) doesn't mean that his workrate was topshelf earlier in his career.

Walters is a better kick than Hill IMO. If he had deBoer's workrate and could stay fit he'd be close to an All Australian player instead of a fringe player.

Agree with dom here.

On hill tho, there have been moments he has attempted to out run the opposition in the defensive 50 only to just throw the ball on the boot. Each time ended up in a turnover. As much as hill is a game breaker he has also cost us lately with his decision making under pressure. I hate to say it but the panic he had was Peake like

 

[malpaso]

The point is that the complaints and sniping on 18 year old players is ridiculous. There are very unrealistic expectations put on 1-3 year players by fans of every team. They are kids when they are drafted, they have to leave their home, change dietary habits, train harder than they ever have before, live with strangers and on top of that learn to be an adult.

Draft for the future. Trade or pick up mature age for the now.

 

[refresh]

On hill tho, there have been moments he has attempted to out run the opposition in the defensive 50 only to just throw the ball on the boot. Each time ended up in a turnover. As much as hill is a game breaker he has also cost us lately with his decision making under pressure. I hate to say it but the panic he had was Peake like

i fear hill has not been fully fit all season

 

[theGav56]

Of course sniping at young players is silly, but most of the comments re Pitt are about the decision to select him over other players, especially Darling. You need to seperate those things. Pitt looks like he has all the potential you could ask of a kid at his draft pick.

 

[free at last]

i fear hill has not been fully fit all season

Mundy & hill had an interrupted pre-seasons so both couldn't be fully fit.
I forget which coach it commented,that once a player loses a period of pre-season training they can't make it up.

 

[Clay Davis]

The fact that Mundy's now among our top 2 midfielders (big call saying that he's better than Barlow) doesn't mean that his workrate was topshelf earlier in his career.

Indeed. Imagine if Mundy had become the player he is now in 2007? He might have been the missing piece of the puzzle in the midfield we needed to win more games, press for finals and challenge for the flag. We lost a lot of games by small margins that year. Some extra drive through the middle could have made all the difference.

 

[Leslie_Chow]

Draft for the future. Trade or pick up mature age for the now.

There is absolutely no reason why you can't draft for the now and for the future.

 

[malpaso]

There is absolutely no reason why you can't draft for the now and for the future.

Certainly but by and large the draft is going to be 18 year olds that need time to develop physically and mentally. Of course there are the exceptions but they are a small percentage.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

the criticisms of pitt are grossly unfair.

walters is in his third year, and has shown very little. his work ethic and commitment has been in question ever since he has been at the club. there can be no doubting the talent, and his skill. but i just cant see how he will be on our list next year, especially since when he has actually played wafl this year he has shown nothing. id delist him and rookie list him to hopefully give him the kick up the backside he needs to perform. Its the curse of the talented really, i doubt he would have had to work hard at all during his juniors because he is so freaking talented, unfortunately because of this he never developed the hunger/work ethic required

 

[strobe00]

On hill tho, there have been moments he has attempted to out run the opposition in the defensive 50 only to just throw the ball on the boot. Each time ended up in a turnover. As much as hill is a game breaker he has also cost us lately with his decision making under pressure. I hate to say it but the panic he had was Peake like

Probably true, but he's adapting to a new position. Getting caught with the ball kicking into the forward 50 is probably a less stressful experience than getting caught with it in the back 50. He'll come good. Worth persevering with, if nothing else, for the extra options/flexibility it gives us.

The panic may have been Peake like, but at least Hill is a decent kick. Peake is still a pretty terrible kick.

EDIT: Realise you weren't comparing the virtues of Peake and Hill. But I'm suggesting that the panic will go away with a bit more experience... and the kicking skill is already there.

 

[dominguez]

There is absolutely no reason why you can't draft for the now and for the future.

How often do 18 year olds drafted outside the top ten play really well their first year then go on to become elite players?

At most there's 3 or 4 a year across the competition. The guys at Fremantle that have gone really well in their first year at Fremantle have generally tapered off pretty quickly (Hasleby, Leigh Brown, Polak, Medhurst, Palmer).

 

[dominguez]

I just cant see how he will be on our list next year, especially since when he has actually played wafl this year he has shown nothing. I'd delist him and rookie list him to hopefully give him the kick up the backside he needs to perform.

To be fair he's had a few interruptions so not sure where his fitness has been at when in the WAFL. I'm a Sonny fan but like the idea of de-listing/rookie listing if our list management ends up being tight at seasons end. Might depend on how much Clancee shows between now and seasons end.

Its the curse of the talented really, i doubt he would have had to work hard at all during his juniors because he is so freaking talented, unfortunately because of this he never developed the hunger/work ethic required.

He was too busy carrying Naitanui and Yarran at that stage.

 

[Nickos66]

to the OP: Yeah it's a downer reading people criticising players like that but you can't censor opinions.. unless you're posting on dockerland that is. Some people just prefer to vent, be it passionate venting or short-sighted ignorance.. likely a mix of both.

Regardless it's nothing to lose sleep over.

 

[Moo]

To be honest the criticism has been at the light end of BF club boards, in regards to the Darling/Pitt debate - more than reasonable to raise it, though it gets raised a fair bit.

To me the debate is our drafting/trading strategy.

Trading I think we are united - our club is doing a good job at playing it tough and not trading any valuable picks/players.

On drafting our mature age selections have been great. No criticism of this - Faulks/JA ? may not work but SCOS, Barlow, Zoongo, Broughton more than make up for any losses.

With young talent - the club obviously rates character, disposal and talent. If we thought Darling was a risk and did not fit the profile that has given us a few gems - I think you wear it.

Plus on Darling - he does look a player but gees he has a ling way to go before I would flag him as being an answer to any clubs KP issues.

Respectful debate is good.

 

[Nickos66]

To be fair he's had a few interruptions so not sure where his fitness has been at when in the WAFL. I'm a Sonny fan but like the idea of de-listing/rookie listing if our list management ends up being tight at seasons end. Might depend on how much Clancee shows between now and seasons end.






He was too busy carrying Naitanui and Yarran at that stage.

I was watching some UFC last night and heard a quote that immediately reminded me of Son son - Hard work beats talent if talent refuses to work hard.

He's going to realise one day that his opportunity has passed him by if he doesn't lose the apathy of just being a listed player.

 

[Rhino1966]

I agree. Haven't noticed any of this recently though tbh.

Are you kidding, The Creep has more people on his case than is believable.....

 

[Clay Davis]

How often do 18 year olds drafted outside the top ten play really well their first year then go on to become elite players?

At most there's 3 or 4 a year across the competition. The guys at Fremantle that have gone really well in their first year at Fremantle have generally tapered off pretty quickly (Hasleby, Leigh Brown, Polak, Medhurst, Palmer).

Not really an argument, though, is it dom?

Just as many players who did nothing in the first year who got worse. A couple of those players you list had very early career debilitating injuries.

 

[E Shed]

I haven't notice much hate for Pitt, 1 or 2, that's about it. Walters cops a bit but he has plenty of defenders like me who've talked him up since Swans days. I think his problem this year has been getting on the park, not attitude. He just needs to learn how to get involved a bit more over 4 quarters, he's magic when he's go it and the way he uses it.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I haven't notice much hate for Pitt, 1 or 2, that's about it. Walters cops a bit but he has plenty of defenders like me who've talked him up since Swans days. I think his problem this year has been getting on the park, not attitude. He just needs to learn how to get involved a bit more over 4 quarters, he's magic when he's go it and the way he uses it.

correct me if im wrong, but i thought he was put on ice because he sulked after being dropped early in the year, was told to go back to the swans and work harder, he didnt... so he languished for a while and then got injured.

 

[yakka man]

The choice to draft Pitt may end up being inspired. Have watched the replays of our last few games and we are so slow at moving the ball on. Most of our kicks are meaningless little chips, then we take ages to assess and then chip it to the next target. At of kick ins we always kick it to the same side and take ages to get the footy out of the defencive 50.

As a team we have looked really slow this year and it is not only because of leg speed but the inability to move the ball long and quickly with accuracy like other teams including the Eagles can now do. If he works hard Pitt could end up like Dal Santo. Young kids need to be given 3-4 years to start reaching their potential, sometimes more other times less.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Message boards are terrible sometimes. Especially footy ones. I swear the blokes around here are the ones you see behind the goal at Etihad - on their big day trip up from Geelong. I don't want to be cruel, but seriously...

Walters has some stunning attributes. He's a very confident kid, obviously. That can be a total godsend. Fremantle need a player like him... he's not the type to shun a chance at gaining some attention (and that's a totally beneficial thing). But he's so very lazy. I'd love to see Sonny play a bit more, because he has the possibility to slip into our team. But I don't see the likeness of it. I dunno.

You don't get many chances at AFL level. I wouldn't be surprised to see him delisted when his deal expires. Maybe a rookie listing would be preferable.

I see some questionable decisions coming out of Freo. Clancee's played some good footy for us this season, and I'll always defend him. Pitty will never be an A-class player, but he's doing much better than Crowley.