MVP Priddis leading the Eagles BF

[Pat_Footy]

Priddis is a liability to our midfield structure and consequently how we set-up around the ground. Even if Swift, Shuey, Masten and Stevens aren't individually as good as Priddis at reading Cox's taps it doesn't mean they wont be, they are actually all elite level clearance players at junior levels and have far more weapons once the ball clears into space.

I struggle to see any rational justification for Priddis getting 90% game time playing the one role in the team week in and week out and I can't help but feel his and Woosha's careers will track a similar path over the next 18 months.

Justification: Because Priddis is the best clearance player in the competition and is leading the eagles tackle count.

You are way off with your critism of Priddis. He is amazing with his stoppage work.

 

[SillyKent]

Justification: Because Priddis is the best clearance player in the competition and is leading the eagles tackle count.

You are way off with your critism of Priddis. He is amazing with his stoppage work.

Lulz.

He's actually ranked 11th for clearances per game this year.

...but there's no way the quality of his clearances are better than Judd, Ablett, Cooney, Hayes, Watson, Mitchell, Hodge, J.Selwood, Black etc.

 

[bodazoka]

But yes, he is awesomeness incarnate

Only part I read, will sig later.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Justification: Because Priddis is the best clearance player in the competition and is leading the eagles tackle count.

You are way off with your critism of Priddis. He is amazing with his stoppage work.

Not just are those stats wrong but they are meaningless.

Effective first disposals are more important than clearences and tackles against stationary targets arent important if your a traffic cone once the ball is cleared.

Been through this 3049209223230982 times on this forum.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

At least we drafted a gun inside-mid in Stevens. Will be a rich man's Priddis with a very strong inside game, strong outside game and great tackling pressure.

His work in and around contests is top notch, does all the little things like block, tackle, niggle, works his way into places other players don't go. Hands are creative and his second and third effects are top notch. He's a strong mark and is good for a goal a game, his tackling is vastly superior to Priddis.

First thought that popped into my head when i watched him play, "We can build a viable midfield around this kid".

 

[Reminiscence]

I have high hopes Koby will be a fantastic inside player. His attack on the ball is incredible, his tackling is great (both close in and in space) and he has a great presence about him round the stoppages. I see a bit of Lenny Hayes in Koby actually, in the way they go about things.

The other good thing about him is he has other strings to his bow. He is good above his head and can actually play the half forward role quite well, if he needs to rest, as he's shown for East Freo most of the season.
Just hope he gets a lot of game time next year.

Thing about Stevens is that he wasn't really hyped up, but was considered to be a high mock draft pick until he pulled OP, that's the beauty of it. Was excited when we managed to steal him at early 20's. He displays a kami-kaze (for a lack of a better way to describe it) attack on the ball and always puts in 110%. Massive mature body like Mitch 'Beast' Brown and not afraid to use it like Waters. I have no doubts Stevens will slot in very nicely into the Eagles lineup, and he displays the tenacity and aggression as another Eagles hard man. Also helps that he's got a decent outside game, can kick and run, as well as being strong overhead.

 

[Reminiscence]

His work in and around contests is top notch, does all the little things like block, tackle, niggle, works his way into places other players don't go. Hands are creative and his second and third effects are top notch. He's a strong mark and is good for a goal a game, his tackling is vastly superior to Priddis.

First thought that popped into my head when i watched him play, "We can build a viable midfield around this kid".

In a way people like to compare him to a rich man's Priddis (like me), but thinking back on it I believe he's going to be far richer than Priddis. Does all the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet, and looks like a real keeper. I'm still pretty new to the site, but I'm glad people share my views on Stevens.

 

[bodazoka]

Not just are those stats wrong but they are meaningless.

Effective first disposals are more important than clearences and tackles against stationary targets arent important if your a traffic cone once the ball is cleared.

Been through this 3049209223230982 times on this forum.

A clearance is only given when the second disposal in a contested situation is an effective one. So I pass to you and you dont fire off an effective disposal = no clearance for me. I pass to you, you pass to Kerr = clearance for me.

Hence all of Priddis clearances are effective first disposals. Im positive some aernt effective, but they aernt recorded as clearances.

 

[sTeeL]

Bit of a smackdown by bodaz there.

 

[Quinz]

He's 10th in the league for effective clearances, first in 1st possessions, first in ball gets, 7th for effective tackles.

And pro-stats has him as 13th in the playmaker statistic, which is the first possession that leads to a score. When you consider that we finished last, it's not a bad stat. He and Watson are the only two in the top 20 whose teams didn't finish in the top 8.

With a better midfield around him, should only improve on those numbers.

 

[Eagle87]

He's 10th in the league for effective clearances, first in 1st possessions, first in ball gets, 7th for effective tackles.

And pro-stats has him as 13th in the playmaker statistic, which is the first possession that leads to a score. When you consider that we finished last, it's not a bad stat. He and Watson are the only two in the top 20 whose teams didn't finish in the top 8.

With a better midfield around him, should only improve on those numbers.

Just so we are clear and so I can come back and hang shit on your cluelessness on an ongoing basis, you are suggesting that Priddis should be the centrepoint of our midfield?

I mean if he is all about clearances and first possessions, then that has to be his role. So for clarity, you advocate we build around the legend that is Priddis and the future will be rosy?

 

[Trouto]

E87, it's hard to argue with you that's for sure. People are coming up with stats saying he is "1st at this, 10th at that" and saying his effective clearences are good as well, while your argument is "he is sh*t, he is 'Ploddis' blah, blah".

We know he isnt the quickest out there. We know he is not so good carrying the ball and hitting up a target. But we also know that none of these things are why he was recruited. He was recruited to get in, extract the ball and tackle like a demon.

I now await your predictable personal insult to me that has nothing to do with the topic as per most of your posts.

 

[Wirra for PM]

He's 10th in the league for effective clearances, first in 1st possessions, first in ball gets, 7th for effective tackles.

And pro-stats has him as 13th in the playmaker statistic, which is the first possession that leads to a score. When you consider that we finished last, it's not a bad stat. He and Watson are the only two in the top 20 whose teams didn't finish in the top 8.

With a better midfield around him, should only improve on those numbers.

That's interesting - so the question then would be how the proportion of 1st possessions to playmaker stats he gets compares with that achieved by other midfielders. I'd be interested to see the list of top "playmakers" if you could post that (I'm not a pro-stats subscriber).

 

[Trouto]

Just thought I would add some more stats to the people who think players like the god-like Shuey are much better than Matt Priddis:

Shuey -

• 1st in the AFL in "kicks direct to opponent per game" (Note, MP not in the top 100)
• 2nd in the AFL in "skill errors per game" (Note, MP not in the top 100)
• 4th in the AFL in "critical errors per game" (Note, MP not in the top 100)

I have always been a bit perplexed about people on this board saying how much of a gun the Shoe is. I think he has talent and promise, but i will reserve the statement "Shuey is better than Priddis" until he earns it.

 

[Wirra for PM]

I have always been a bit perplexed about people on this board saying how much of a gun the Shoe is. I think he has talent and promise, but i will reserve the statement "Shuey is better than Priddis" until he earns it.

The call on Shuey is pretty much all based on potential. But he has shown glimpses that, if consistently replicated, would make him a gun, hence people want to see him selected.

 

[lewigie]

I think he's 1st in the league for first possessions, because he is the only player our ruckmen try to tap to.

 

[sTeeL]

If you think a ruck goes up with the sole aim to get it to one player you are mistaken. Several factors will go on where you aim the tap and it will be most likely that Priddis gets himself in a better position to shark a defensive tap should an offensive one not be viable

 

[Quinz]

If that is the case Lewi, why do you think that would be?

Just so we are clear and so I can come back and hang shit on your cluelessness on an ongoing basis, you are suggesting that Priddis should be the centrepoint of our midfield?

I mean if he is all about clearances and first possessions, then that has to be his role. So for clarity, you advocate we build around the legend that is Priddis and the future will be rosy?

I think he's pretty good.

 

[Eagle87]

I think he's pretty good.

Typically piss weak. Answer the questions, they are pretty easy.

 

[Mattman93]

Do you realise how much you're pwning yourself with that sig E87?

 

[Eagle87]

E87, it's hard to argue with you that's for sure. People are coming up with stats saying he is "1st at this, 10th at that" and saying his effective clearences are good as well, while your argument is "he is sh*t, he is 'Ploddis' blah, blah".

We know he isnt the quickest out there. We know he is not so good carrying the ball and hitting up a target. But we also know that none of these things are why he was recruited. He was recruited to get in, extract the ball and tackle like a demon.

I now await your predictable personal insult to me that has nothing to do with the topic as per most of your posts.

On those overwhelming stats (are you Rids slightly slower brother?) he should be AA, at least in the squad .. and yet people LOL when Priddis and AA are mentioned in the same breath. Why?

In case you hadn't realised, which seems likely, my argument re Priddis has been consistent for 2+ years and nothing that has happened in that time has shown me to be wrong. If Priddis couldnt get the ball as well as he can, he would struggle to have a WAFL career as his vision, disposal and pace are ALL well below average for a WAFL midfielder. His tackling is overstated because we play a midfield flood most of the time and end up with lots of slow, clogged, congested stuff around the middle. This allows Priddis lots of tackling of stationary or near stationary players at a contest surrounded by 12 blokes. Can you tell me the last time you saw Priddis tackle anyone in space? Can you tell me the last time (ever?) that he ran someone down from behind? That what makes a difference in games. Priddis gets run around like he is a witches hat by anyone with any momentum. If his player gets goalside in an open contest we are ****ed - and sides often set up to do exactly that - they gamble, quite rightly that Priddis getting it 20 times in close won't hurt that much but his opponent (with pace) who can get it 10 times (half) forward of the contest will kill us. How many times have you seen an opposition mid break from a contest into space with, apparently, noone behind him.. it happens numerous times each game. Priddis is more often than not the opponent. Freo worked this out years ago - the Stephen Hill + 2 other offsensive mids in the centre square approach is the classic Priddis killer. Just put 3 quick blokes in there and attack. You dont even need to win more than 35 to 40% of possession - when you do it will lead, inevitably to a pass inside 50 or a running goal while priddis, perm flapping in the breeze trundles 15m behind.

No defensive game. No offensive skills. Can get the ball. Limited vision & creativity (less than most WAFL mids), poor kicking skills, poor handball skills (unless you rate 3 to 4 m handballs to the most obvious- but often flat footed - team mate).

He just isnt very good, the fact that others can't see that and yet can't point to ANYTHING beyond stats is interesting. After all these years you'd like to imagine there were a few "remember when Pridda did that to such and such.." or "remember when Pridda turned that game.." or "remember when Pridda did that game saving tackle.." or anything ..... instead its just, hey Pridda gets more clearances than any man in the history of football.... but, can he play? does he hurt teams? his only role is offensive mid (he cant tag) and he cant play any other role. That means he has to be in the top 2 mids in the side. Can anyone see Priddis as a top 2 guy in a contender? The answer is no. So why waste time on him.

 

[Eagle87]

Do you realise how much you're pwning yourself with that sig E87?

I realise what onyacoxy would have you believe ... yes ...

Thanks.

 

[Mattman93]

I realise what onyacoxy would have you believe ... yes ...

Thanks.

Lol.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Can you change your avatar back to the old one at least?

 

[Eagle87]

Can you change your avatar back to the old one at least?

Why?