Priddis

[flamingEMBERS]

surely gws would take him

 

[inbetween]

The problem goes beyond replacing one player with another. I know this team has the talent and tools to be successful. Also dont think Masten should be exclusively an inside-mid, and also dont think using him in that role would be a big upgrade from Priddis either. Stay or go, I just want the damn team to start winning but i dont believe for one minute its as easy as "Priddis out, someone else in."
Keep in mind, he was in the team when we were terrible post-Judd/Cousins, and he was in the team when we bounced back the previous two seasons.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

The problem goes beyond replacing one player with another. I know this team has the talent and tools to be successful. Also dont think Masten should be exclusively an inside-mid, and also dont think using him in that role would be a big upgrade from Priddis either. Stay or go, I just want the damn team to start winning but i dont believe for one minute its as easy as "Priddis out, someone else in."
Keep in mind, he was in the team when we were terrible post-Judd/Cousins, and he was in the team when we bounced back the previous two seasons.

Our problems are systemic, so i disagree that this "team" has talent above and beyond those who share similar ladder positions to us. Removing one limited player won't achieve much if we leave others in the side and give them regular game time.

This is what i wrote about Priddis back in 2010, not much has changed. Keep in mind that in 2010 we played A.Selwood and Embley on ball and we suffered.

Now in 2011 we came up trumps. Embley and A.Selwood both rotated out of the middle and we moved on and we need to do the same with Priddis. Unfortunately the most suitable replacements are now gone and we should look at Wellingham first and foremost in 2014 to take up a large role in the middle.

He doesn't do anything with the football. You can't be crap by foot and slow because you don't generate any space or any over lap.

Instead of releasing players into space and generating run he slows us down and leaves those around him flat footed.

Priddis is left with two options kick it quickly or hand pass to the nearest player. If he kicks it, it comes back over his head with a whole bunch of lose opposition players now free.

If he hand passes to someone, the opposition that have faded off him and are waiting to close down the next in line who has more pressure put on him.

A good offensive move has to start somewhere, everything starts from that first effective disposal and the more damaging the bigger the flow on effects, it's why Judd and Ablett are so god damn awesome.

 

[beatlesmith]

surely gws would take him

Pls GWS.
Get a kid and/or a pick coming the other way and in doing so free up some salary cap room.
Play Masto and Wellingham more in the middle, draft a midfielder with our first pick and start him out on the wing/flank vacated by Masten/Wellingham.

 

[dajesmac]

Dunstan pls.

 

[Kaboodleer]

I'll quickly make the same points I make every Priddis thread and be on my way.

"Priddis is slow he doesn't burst out of stoppages":

- Not all that many clearances are won this way across the AFL. Most clearances are the result of clean hands and a series of handballs and spread to create space. We fail to do this well regardless of whether or not Priddis is involved and it is clearly part of a larger problem with the way the midfield is functioning. Putting the blame for this squarely on Priddis is extremely unfair not to mention inaccurate.

- Not many players are able to burst through stoppages. Judd's, Dangerfields etc don't grow on trees and it's not Priddis' fault our midfield doesn't really have this player. Again stop putting the blame on him for the deficiencies of the midfield group as a whole.

 

[bunsen burner]

Putting the blame for this squarely on Priddis is extremely unfair not to mention inaccurate.

Most are blaming Woosha and coach staff for how we set up at centre bounce downs and stoppages. We set up around Priddis. Take him out and change how we set up. Will solve a lot of problems.

- Not many players are able to burst through stoppages. Judd's, Dangerfields etc don't grow on trees and it's not Priddis' fault our midfield doesn't really have this player. Again stop putting the blame on him for the deficiencies of the midfield group as a whole.

As you previously said, most teams win ball out by clean hands with a number of handballs. Priddis' strength is to extract so we put numbers around stoppages and create an environment where we feel he has an advtange. Doesn't work. Midfield needs to be built around NicNat, not Priddis. Need to tap into space rather than congestion.

We don't need a Judd or DF, just a set up that allows our midfielder to get the ball out and make effective clearances.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Swans killed us yesterday with 3 big bodies in the centre square we had 2 in priddis and hutch , and masten hanging around the outer did not help he is not an inside mid. It was very tough in there but we were out numbered ! We lacked a S selwood or Kerr to even it out . Our wingers in masten rosa dalzeill morton are not suited to the centre square role . Problem with priddis is he is not suited to any other role ! I think we can still use priddis in the square but needs support and not set up for him and use him all the time because its predictable .

 

[Hap Hapablap]

honestly should try trading him at the end of the season just to get a pick.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Swans killed us yesterday with 3 big bodies in the centre square we had 2 in priddis and hutch , and masten hanging around the outer did not help he is not an inside mid. It was very tough in there but we were out numbered ! We lacked a S selwood or Kerr to even it out . Our wingers in masten rosa dalzeill morton are not suited to the centre square role . Problem with priddis is he is not suited to any other role ! I think we can still use priddis in the square but needs support and not set up for him and use him all the time because its predictable .

 

[eaglesfan84]

Forget about Conca, we should go after Ryan Griffen with everything...

ins: griffen outs: priddis

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Swans killed us yesterday with 3 big bodies in the centre square we had 2 in priddis and hutch , and masten hanging around the outer did not help he is not an inside mid. It was very tough in there but we were out numbered ! We lacked a S selwood or Kerr to even it out . Our wingers in masten rosa dalzeill morton are not suited to the centre square role . Problem with priddis is he is not suited to any other role ! I think we can still use priddis in the square but needs support and not set up for him and use him all the time because its predictable .

Who are these big guys apart from Josh Kennedy?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Who are these big guys apart from Josh Kennedy?

I said big bodies not guys ! But it was Kennedy okeefe and jack who is not tall but strong and fierce at the ball ! Did you watch the game? cos they were the 3 mids in most centre bounces

 

[Eagle87]

How did Priddis get massacred? Almost single handedly stopped a complete Sydney midfield dominance. Most clearances in the match - almost all effective, won first possession (often sharking from a Mumford hit-out), handball to a player in space who got a clean disposal away under very little pressure. Got the most tackles in the match, almost always in close to stop a Sydney mid from releasing to yet another Hannerbury entry inside 50. 2nd most contested possessions in the match. Only West Coast centre square midfielder who didn't concede multiple goals and 30 disposals to their midfield opponent (Priddis spent almost all of his time opposed to O'Keefe and Parker who were comfortably Sydney's least effective mids). Just a simply bizarre comment and to quote "roflmao"

My votes:
5 - Kennedy - just continuing an amazing season. Work-rate is terrific.
4 - Masten - never stopped working, most influential midfielder in what wasn't a bad 2nd half
3 - Glass - stopped so many Sydney attacking entries and rebounded really well
2 - Priddis - as above
1 - LeCras - thought that his best performance coming up the ground into the midfield
HM - Gaff, Morton, Hutchings

Seriously, anyone who watched that game and reckoned Priddis was our 4th best performer is completely and utterly incapable of assessing football apart from the CD stats he is paid to record.

It's a joke that mods allow his votes to count given his clear bias. Yes, I'm aware that I have a firm view on Priddis too. Given he is the mainstay of the worst midfield (arguably) in our clubs history, I reckon I have a point....

Again, one of the key points that Rids misses, every week, is that clubs don't tag Priddis they zone him off and block his teammates, they are ok with him getting a certain number of disposals because even the ones he gets that are statistically "effective" are poor compared to what Sydney get. Priddis had one quality handball disposal yesterday when he slipped one to Hutchings who creatively kicked the ball to JK for a goal. If you want to suggest for a second that Matt was holding his end up in centre bounces against Sydney and that his "clearances" had even 20% of the quality of just about every Sydney clearance then you are nuts. He is in our side as an offensive mid, him getting 10 turtle tackles in tight against stationary opponents is really neither here nor there - any old timers will remember that one of the measures of genuinely shit sides like Footscray & the Saints was that they would scrag to try and bring you down to their level, tackle tackle and more tackle to turn every game into an under 11's rolling maul type game to overcome our actual lack of ability.... That's Matt Priddis. A hard working scragger, who is super brave and who gives everything he has and is right at home in the middle of a completely shit but hard working midfield that routinely gets overwhelmed by better footballers ....

The issue with Matt is one of football philosophy, do you want a team built around a hard working shit footballer or do you start to build a midfield that can actually compete against the best in the business? It's not that he can't play at all just that what he does is classic of a plodder in an ordinary side. He IS our Shaun McManus.

Every mid that ran through the middle for Sydney yesterday is a better player than Priddis. At 28 with 100+ games of experience he is in his prime and his prime is behind the standard. So what's the point?

But that doesn't matter to our stats ho from CD. The stats love him. Which is a separate issue with the laughable nature of CD stats.

 

[The Dodger]

I'll quickly make the same points I make every Priddis thread and be on my way.

"Priddis is slow he doesn't burst out of stoppages":

- Not all that many clearances are won this way across the AFL. Most clearances are the result of clean hands and a series of handballs and spread to create space. We fail to do this well regardless of whether or not Priddis is involved and it is clearly part of a larger problem with the way the midfield is functioning. Putting the blame for this squarely on Priddis is extremely unfair not to mention inaccurate.

- Not many players are able to burst through stoppages. Judd's, Dangerfields etc don't grow on trees and it's not Priddis' fault our midfield doesn't really have this player. Again stop putting the blame on him for the deficiencies of the midfield group as a whole.

1st point - the opposition teams nearly guarantee that Priddis will get first hands. We have the best tap ruckman in the game, so the opposition zone off of Priddis, close the outlets and await the 15m snap around the corner. This has been going on for some time. The first time I noticed this was the Swans game at Subi in 2011, when McGinnity & Priddis were our major ball winners, I noticed that this was not by accident, the Swans wanted that. As an opposition person looking at our club what would you prefer to happen; Priddis get a clearance or Shuey / Kerr?

His deficiencies are our deficiencies, our midfiled is slow & not efficient, which mid emodies that?
But thats right quality mids dont grow on trees and we have a workmanlike midfield that cannot cover so many flaws in 1 mids game.

 

[char]

The fact that this thread exists is unbelievable, let alone the fact that the all-knowing West Coast BF hivemind has talked themselves into thinking along these lines. Simply atrocious.

Priddis is a deserving club legend, end of story. Not everyone can be a Judd or a Cotchin - Priddis excels at the role he is expected to play - AFLCA votes are proof of this.

 

[erbenz]

The fact that this thread exists is unbelievable, let alone the fact that the all-knowing West Coast BF hivemind has talked themselves into thinking along these lines. Simply atrocious.

Priddis is a deserving club legend, end of story. Not everyone can be a Judd or a Cotchin - Priddis excels at the role he is expected to play - AFLCA votes are proof of this.

I respect Priddis, and I think he has been a great servant of the club, but we're getting to the point where his "role" is becoming a liability because it is so positionally inflexible it hurts the team.

 

[Agent93]

I don't get why he's throwing it on the boot straight away though. Surely he could hit a target with a handball.

Perhaps we have an issue with receivers getting in space. Or perhaps that's what Priddis is being told to do. Either way, it's shit footy.

 

[bunsen burner]

The fact that this thread exists is unbelievable, let alone the fact that the all-knowing West Coast BF hivemind has talked themselves into thinking along these lines. Simply atrocious.

Priddis is a deserving club legend, end of story. Not everyone can be a Judd or a Cotchin - Priddis excels at the role he is expected to play - AFLCA votes are proof of this.

Pity da fool.

 

[WCEbrody]

Is Chris Masten's 2013 better than any season Priddis has played? serious question.

Chris will make the AA squad of 40 AT BEST this year, probably only just in the top 50 players in the league and he's played better than our main on-baller has in 150 games.

Think about that.

 

[bunsen burner]

Is Chris Masten's 2013 better than any season Priddis has played? serious question.

It's just not that simple and therein lies the problem.

With Priddis it's about midfield set up, structures, hurting the opposition, giving valuable game time to the likes of masten, Stevens, Ebert etc. At some point over the last 5 years the club should have realised Priddis was a culdesac, off loaded him, played the kids, and gone with a different stoppage structure.

priddis is detrimental to out team. I had him best player a few weeks back but that's not really where it's at. It's about how he fits in and it's clear we backed the wrong show pony.

Chris will make the AA squad of 40 AT BEST this year, probably only just in the top 50 players in the league and he's played better than our main on-baller has in 150 games.

Think about that.

His name won't even come up. He's come on but he's still decidely not A grade. He's nowhere near top 50. But he offers the team a lot more than Priddis does. And he's got upside. If he keeps improving he might get to Brad Sewell, Daniel Cross standard. Not A grade, but pretty bloody good.

 

[WCEbrody]

It's just not that simple and therein lies the problem.

With Priddis it's about midfield set up, structures, hurting the opposition, giving valuable game time to the likes of masten, Stevens, Ebert etc. At some point over the last 5 years the club should have realised Priddis was a culdesac, off loaded him, played the kids, and gone with a different stoppage structure.

priddis is detrimental to out team. I had him best player a few weeks back but that's not really where it's at. It's about how he fits in and it's clear we backed the wrong show pony.


His name won't even come up. He's come on but he's still decidely not A grade. He's nowhere near top 50. But he offers the team a lot more than Priddis does. And he's got upside. If he keeps improving he might get to Brad Sewell, Daniel Cross standard. Not A grade, but pretty bloody good.

Pretty much, although i would say on 2013 form alone Chris Masten would be in the top 50 players in the league

 

[Eagle87]

The fact that this thread exists is unbelievable, let alone the fact that the all-knowing West Coast BF hivemind has talked themselves into thinking along these lines. Simply atrocious.

Priddis is a deserving club legend, end of story. Not everyone can be a Judd or a Cotchin - Priddis excels at the role he is expected to play - AFLCA votes are proof of this.

Priddis' role is so limited though, he plays the same position as Judd and Kerr played in our great years. He was originally their back up for 5 mins a quarter off the bench. The role has been reduced because of his limitations. He is a pale imitation of a quality OFFENSIVE mid. Sure he plays as well as he can and gives his all but as I've been saying for 5 years we aren't going anywhere with him in that role. I'm being proved right. Which doesn't make me feel great it makes me feel annoyed at our MC and at our pig headed coach.

This is the same Woosh that got angry when dropped, by Malthouse, from finals all those years ago because? Well because he was too slow to contribute at the required standard. If you reckon that doesn't colour his judgement now you're mad. He is a stubborn buggar and he's proving Mick right again.

 

[bunsen burner]

Pretty much, although i would say on 2013 form alone Chris Masten would be in the top 50 players in the league

I don't think he's near it yet. Had a good year, but until he can create that fear factor (either he gets tagged or the opposition worry if he is going to turn it on) he's not there. Our opposition generally tag Gaff and Hurn to stop our run. Cut them out and we up shit creek without a paddle.


An interesting thing about Priddis is when have we ever seen him do elite deeds? Run out of the centre and smash a goal? Tear a team a new one? Be that dependable courageous player like Paul Kelly or Watson or Cousins or Ricciutto and win games off his own boot? All Priddis can do is get the footy and not much once he has it.

 

[ChampRevesby]

An interesting thing about Priddis is when have we ever seen him do elite deeds? Run out of the centre and smash a goal? Tear a team a new one? Be that dependable courageous player like Paul Kelly or Watson or Cousins or Ricciutto and win games off his own boot? All Priddis can do is get the footy and not much once he has it.

It's because he has no leg speed. He just can not run and carry nor make the right decisions by foot. This lack of leg speed also hurts when the opposition spreads, he just can not mark players. He gets massive stats because of the scragging he does when the ball is in a ruck situation. As soon as the ball is released then he becomes a liability.