Universal Love Princes Park - 10th Feb 2019 Update - $15M Fed Govt Grant - Post #1709

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Haha, some of you are fair dinkum Colin trippers.

For starters, the state government is well known as the Andrews government so much so that I bet that egocentrical money wasting twat Andrews demands it be called that.

In relation to naming the Libs/Nationals in latest release it’s bloody clear that they haven’t got the promise from Labor so you have to be careful and not say the federal government because the likelihood of it being the libs in 3 months time is very low.
You can then lobby labor hard from all angles (Carlton/AFL/AFLW/Women in general) which puts pressure for them to act and match (or heaven help us give a better package).

If they don’t, then we haven’t shot our load and told the members we’d have 35mill when we only have 20mill making thenselves look like fools and the eyes and heat go onto a federal labor government.
 

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I am going to call the club up today to congratulate them on the wording of the press release.... And for every animal you don't eat I'll eat three


For what it's worth, much of the branding around the Vic Government is "Andrews Government"

Very proud of you. However, will you change your stance should as expected, the ALP government get in and we see none of that money?

I have a problem with it. If the Libs were expected to get in not so much leaving my left wing political bias aside.
 

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Haha, some of you are fair dinkum Colin trippers.

For starters, the state government is well known as the Andrews government so much so that I bet that egocentrical money wasting twat Andrews demands it be called that

I guess you are incapable of setting aside your partisan politics and focusing on the main point.

In relation to naming the Libs/Nationals in latest release it’s bloody clear that they haven’t got the promise from Labor so you have to be careful and not say the federal government because the likelihood of it being the libs in 3 months time is very low.
You can then lobby labor hard from all angles (Carlton/AFL/AFLW/Women in general) which puts pressure for them to act and match (or heaven help us give a better package).

Is this an opinion or fact? How do you know they haven’t got the support of the Federal Labor Party. Have you been told by the club or are you making an assumption?


If they don’t, then we haven’t shot our load and told the members we’d have 35mill when we only have 20mill making thenselves look like fools and the eyes and heat go onto a federal labor government.
The heat will well and truly be on LoG if Labor don’t match the Liberal party promise. No use lobbying the federal ALP post election.
 

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I can't believe some people cannot see the issue with the statement.

Whenever these grants are given, it only ever refers to the Federal Government or State Government.

This is clearly clearly a way to sway people to vote Liberals/Nationals at next election. This is seriously wrong as it is using the members as intended targets for the Libs campaign.

I know Carlton is a white collar Libs club and obviously our President is one too... and I can also see Josh Frydenburg insisting to reach out to the 50k members... but I do not want anything politics with my football club.
 

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So he needed to add 'ALP' to Daniel Andrew's Government? It's a letter to members of an AFL club, not a party campaign . Maybe the strength of the readers political views equate to levels of triggering. Looking forward to plans for the ground being finalised and work commencing .
No. Need needed to only refer to Federal and State governments like happens with every other funding grants.
 

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No. Need needed to only refer to Federal and State governments like happens with every other funding grants.
I clearly need to take my tin foil hat in for a service. That email won't be swaying
anyone to do anything, generic update newsletter to let the members know where we're at.
 

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Personally I preferred the club not being involved. It should not be involved in politics in any way.
Nothing exists in a bubble. The way this message discussion has blown up is clearly over the top, but the club could have easily worded/branded this better by referring to both leaders by name and political party.
 

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No. Need needed to only refer to Federal and State governments like happens with every other funding grants.
How about the Daniel Andrews State Government.

The heat will well and truly be on LoG if Labor don’t match the Liberal party promise. No use lobbying the federal ALP post election.
it really wont.
 

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No. Need needed to only refer to Federal and State governments like happens with every other funding grants.
Both grants agreed to with incumbents right before elections, the federal election only months away and likely to be changing.

They won’t be the federal government anymore!!

Reading way way too much into this
 

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Haha, some of you are fair dinkum Colin trippers.

For starters, the state government is well known as the Andrews government so much so that I bet that egocentrical money wasting twat Andrews demands it be called that.

In relation to naming the Libs/Nationals in latest release it’s bloody clear that they haven’t got the promise from Labor so you have to be careful and not say the federal government because the likelihood of it being the libs in 3 months time is very low.
You can then lobby labor hard from all angles (Carlton/AFL/AFLW/Women in general) which puts pressure for them to act and match (or heaven help us give a better package).

If they don’t, then we haven’t shot our load and told the members we’d have 35mill when we only have 20mill making thenselves look like fools and the eyes and heat go onto a federal labor government.

When you use “Colin Tripper” I hope you give the right attribution.

;)
 

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Personally I preferred the club not being involved. It should not be involved in politics in any way.
Its unavoidable imo, social issues and movements become political issues, sporting clubs are supposed to represent the members, players and sponsors of that club.

A lot of these issues affect thousands of supporters and many of them want their club to be on the right side when it comes to them.
 

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However.......The obvious thing to do was search for the announcement made by the club when the $20m from state Labour was awarded:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-04-13/ikon-parks-20m-boost

Carlton President Mark LoGiudice said the Club was incredibly appreciative of the investment that will see a state-of-the-art facility developed at the iconic ground. “We are extremely thankful to the Premier Daniel Andrews and his government for their investment in our football club," LoGiudice said.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-04-13/ikon-parks-20m-boost

Ok, so they don't mention the word "Labour" but it sounds just as gushing, and just as effusive as the statement made for the federal $15m.

Both timed to occur in the lead up to an election.
 

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The club does an excellent job to secure 35 million dollars in funding and your gripe is how they word an email.

Countless hours of lobbying, meetings, proposals and pulling strings went into this and you want to hang the president over an email?.
It's a seperate issue. The work that has gone into pursuing potential funding is not in question. What's in question is that the leading representative of a cross section of members, with varying political and social views, appears to be promoting political favouritism. Whether he actually is or not is irrelevant.

The club assumes a responsible and influential position amongst supporters, and within the community. Its not unreasonable to expect its president to be astute enough to remain visibly neutral in political matters; club did so on the gender equality debate, it's reasonable to expect that it would have done likewise on the wording in the press release.

A little more neutrality, or slightly better care, would arguably have no detrimental impact on the potential funding offer.
 
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Did you read what was said when the state labour money was announced?
Look, I'm not a recent ALP voter, and i'm a supporter of MLG; there is no underlying political bias on my part.
It might sound pedantic to some but it's offended others.
Truth be told, it's not Daniel Andrew's State Government.
I think that if MLG had his time again he would have worded the State announcement a little differently.
 
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