Prediction Priority Pick 2018

[Sab22]

If we get picks 1+2. Jack Luksious & Rankine tyvm.

 

[sunny3193]

wow. that certainly is interesting!!!

without the cumulative affect of that money i strongly doubt if we would have been competitive during 2004-2011, maybe not even be here at all. i mean it was only at the end of 2013 the AFL had to provide us with more money, cup in hand, so we could continue to pay staff after we coudn't extend our line of credit and overdraft facilities. do you think we shouldn't have gone to the AFL then?

how do you feel about the compensation pick from free agency?

We should have ceased to exist when Fox created the Scheme of Arrangement that dudded our players, staff, creditors and supporters.
End of story.
That is a stain that no amount of washing can remove.
Everything else, and afterwards, is relevant only in the context of our continuing and perpetual failure.
I didn’t make the decisions during Fox’s reign.
I don’t make them now.
But if we cannot stand alone as an independent club, we don’t deserve to be in existence.
Asking for a priority pick, or funding assistance, simply perpetuates failure.
At some point, if you actually want a winning culture and to actually win a flag, you need to draw a line in the sand and say: “No more”.
That line begins with any special assistance.
Whether it is funding assistance or priority picks.

That’s me, and that’s why I will only see one flag in my life.

 

[St Neil]

Nope, not on one bad year.

Only reason would be if we lose a few players due to concussion or Robbo.

In isolation, I agree.

However we haven’t won a flag for 52 years. We are third bottom. We’re in significant debt (but improving). We’ve only won one game and are battling. We have a long history of struggle. We look to be a long way away ATM.

Equalisation is not just for the new franchises or for interstate clubs with their barbed wire academies. We are a foundation club of the competition. We’ve been a huge contributor to the history of this competition and our sport for over 145 years.

Stuff it. Why not ask? Have a crack. What harm can it do?

If you don’t ask you don’t get. I think they’ll say no. Other clubs get sweetheart deals with fixturing, academies, etc. So be it.

 

[sunny3193]

Why is it begging when

NSW get free players from academies

GWS and GC got all the best players

Now we find the WA and probaably the SA clubs are warehousing local talent

Melbourne get #3 for Frawley ( How's that pick travelling) and get a leg up to get Viney.

Clubs due to previous success get F/S

Lower clubs never get FA because they can't rebuild and then get to play in WA twice every year (When was the last time Collingwood did that) and get shitful time slots year in year out while SA and WA get two derby's and showdowns every single year,Essendon get ANZAC and Dreamtime every single year.

The list of rigging goes on but we are begging,

FMD victim blaming at its worst.



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JB: see my reply to St C.
And yes: begging is what it is.
Sorry to differ.
Begging is going cap in hand to the AFL for special assistance because of our own incompetence.

 

[St Neil]

Frankly if the AFL were to help us I'd rather they did it off field like they did with Melbourne.

Wouldn't be against them subsidising a fat offer to Clarko for example or a proper footy manager.

Yep. I agree with that as well.

Why not try for both?

 

[Joffaboy]

If we get picks 1+2. Jack Luksious & Rankine tyvm.

We won't get both and will probably get pick 3.
Mids: Walsh or Rankine told if we have required a quality mid whoever is available @ 3 Luksious or King

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[Savage Kent]

they've effectively been doing that for us post ross lyon

i like the idea of a $$$ investment into football related spending. question I have is would that money be outside the cap?

I was under the impression that the football related spending cap was a soft cap and any spending exceeding the cap would be paid to the AFL as a quasi tax.

I would expect the AFL to give money and the excess payments to be waived. Similar to granting the priority pick, I would expect the timeframe to also be at the discretion of the AFL.

 

[Diehard Saint]

JB: see my reply to St C.
And yes: begging is what it is.
Sorry to differ.
Begging is going cap in hand to the AFL for special assistance because of our own incompetence.

So the situation of Robbo, Koby and very possibly Paddy retiring early is due to incompetence is it?

 

[Quixote]

Begging for a handout is not developing a winning culture.

Who's begging?

Not asking for something of value when you may be eligible for it would surely seem foolish no?

 

[Quixote]

I would much prefer the AFL to assist with off field/coaching personnel appointments rather than a priority pick. This would be in the form of subsidies that are conditional on only being spent on football department spending.

This would allow clubs like the saints to be more competitive in trying to lure the best recruiters as well as assistant/development coaches in the land.

Good idea, but I feel like there's less margin for error in getting a low draft pick, in terms of ROI.

Also the way we're travelling at the minute, I'm not sure all the subsidies in the land are going to lure the best off field talent.

I don't think you can necessarily 'buy' a cohesive, well led, innovative off field team or culture. This needs to evolve, it's more complex than luring across a 'gun' coach.

You can however 'buy' (~get one low in the draft) a gun player.

 

[gringo2011]

In the end i agree with Gangnam and others who suggest what does it hurt to ask?
Especially when you consider how many times we've been screwed by headquarters, why not?
Throw in the unfortunate possibilty of Stevens, Roberton and possibly Mccartin having to retire at years end due to concussion issues.

Free agency will make things harder and at some point the AFL will need to bring back priority picks even if it's just so the lower clubs can develop more talent for the top clubs to steal. I bet we rebuild the hard way then when one of the big clubs **** it up and drop down they'll bring them back to fast track.

 

[stavro#4]

If this was even a possibility.....

I would beg... Christ I would plead and bend over and let them have their way if there was a chance in hell we could land a pp after our first.

Luckily there isn’t. Carry on

 

[VDS66]

We should have ceased to exist when Fox created the Scheme of Arrangement that dudded our players, staff, creditors and supporters.
End of story.
That is a stain that no amount of washing can remove.
Everything else, and afterwards, is relevant only in the context of our continuing and perpetual failure.
I didn’t make the decisions during Fox’s reign.
I don’t make them now.
But if we cannot stand alone as an independent club, we don’t deserve to be in existence.
Asking for a priority pick, or funding assistance, simply perpetuates failure.
At some point, if you actually want a winning culture and to actually win a flag, you need to draw a line in the sand and say: “No more”.
That line begins with any special assistance.
Whether it is funding assistance or priority picks.

That’s me, and that’s why I will only see one flag in my life.

Brutal but probably accurate.

Where we find ourselves today isn't due to the AFL but due to decades of stupid mistakes... Most recently from Blight, to Seaford, to losing Lyon, to Watters to recruitment and the list just grows.

The AFL is like the Australian tax system.

If you're smart enough to exploit the rules you will succeed. Simple.

If not, we deserve to fold if that's what it gets to.

Bulldogs did it, why can't we?

 

[sunny3193]

So the situation of Robbo, Koby and very possibly Paddy retiring early is due to incompetence is it?

My response to JB was referring to his post which included more issues than losing players to injury.
And yes, we are and have been incompetent in managing our club.
Refer to all those posts in the Sack Richo thread if you disagree.
With respect to the three players you’ve named: all teams suffer injuries.
All teams lose players to injury.
To lose three players in the same year is bad luck.
Some clubs suck it up and work harder/smarter, others go begging for special assistance.

If you want this club to develop a winning culture, and actually win something, then we need to fall in the suck it up category.

 

[sunny3193]

Who's begging?

Not asking for something of value when you may be eligible for it would surely seem foolish no?

We are going to be eligible for a priority pick because we lose three players to injury?
One who has only managed 30 odd games in four years.
Another who is not best 22 and has already been traded by two other clubs.
The third being a half back who has had one good year.

This is not 1958 and we are not Man U.

 

[VDS66]

We all laughed at the doggies... Norf... Tigers...

Club needs to make bold, competent decisions regardless of the outcomes and who gets cut as a result.

 

[VDS66]

We are going to be eligible for a priority pick because we lose three players to injury?
One who has only managed 30 odd games in four years.
Another who is not best 22 and has already been traded by two other clubs.
The third being a half back who has had one good year.

This is not 1958 and we are not Man U.

It was much tougher in the 50's..

 

[Old Man Rooey]

My response to JB was referring to his post which included more issues than losing players to injury.
And yes, we are and have been incompetent in managing our club.
Refer to all those posts in the Sack Richo thread if you disagree.
With respect to the three players you’ve named: all teams suffer injuries.
All teams lose players to injury.
To lose three players in the same year is bad luck.
Some clubs suck it up and work harder/smarter, others go begging for special assistance.

If you want this club to develop a winning culture, and actually win something, then we need to fall in the suck it up category.

Agree. All good and well getting a priority pick, but it doesn't deal with underlying issues with this club at the moment - to me that's the bigger priority.

 

[gringo2011]

My response to JB was referring to his post which included more issues than losing players to injury.
And yes, we are and have been incompetent in managing our club.
Refer to all those posts in the Sack Richo thread if you disagree.
With respect to the three players you’ve named: all teams suffer injuries.
All teams lose players to injury.
To lose three players in the same year is bad luck.
Some clubs suck it up and work harder/smarter, others go begging for special assistance.

If you want this club to develop a winning culture, and actually win something, then we need to fall in the suck it up category.

Is that like moving back to Moorabbin. It's like a dole bludger inherited a house in Moorabbin, neglected it, got public housing in Frankston's back blocks, couldn't handle not being near cafes and neglected that place. Cracked the shits and went to the bank and got a mortgage out to rebuild our original house and demanded a whole lot of public assistance to do it. Meanwhile we can't afford basics like decent coaching and training staff and even towels and equipment when we travel. We live beyond our means and do nothing to help ourselves as it is. Finnis is too focussed on things outside of the actual football elements of the club. We should be putting every person on staff's energy into developing a winning on field team.

 

[sunny3193]

Is that like moving back to Moorabbin. It's like a dole bludger inherited a house in Moorabbin, neglected it, got public housing in Frankston's back blocks, couldn't handle not being near cafes and neglected that place. Cracked the shits and went to the bank and got a mortgage out to rebuild our original house and demanded a whole lot of public assistance to do it. Meanwhile we can't afford basics like decent coaching and training staff and even towels and equipment when we travel. We live beyond our means and do nothing to help ourselves as it is. Finnis is too focussed on things outside of the actual football elements of the club. We should be putting every person on staff's energy into developing a winning on field team.

As always, I am in your hyperbolic shadow.
But, yeah.

 

[VDS66]

Time for the loud mouth benevolent supporters to put their money where their mouth is.

Time for fair-weather supporters to put their money where their mouth is.

Time to shake off this woe is us victim mentality.

If you want change, demand change.

Ask not what the club can do for you. Ask what you can do for your club... No strings attached.

Cue sniper behind the grassy knoll to put me out of my misery...

 

[Quixote]

We are going to be eligible for a priority pick because we lose three players to injury?
One who has only managed 30 odd games in four years.
Another who is not best 22 and has already been traded by two other clubs.
The third being a half back who has had one good year.

This is not 1958 and we are not Man U.

What?

I wasn't debating the validity of the pick. I could if I wanted to, but I wasn't.

I simply stated, we wouldn't be begging, we'd simply be asking for something of value, as we need it and as there's a chance it would be given. It would actually be highly negligent not to ask. No brainer.

And I don't get the Man U 1958 reference.

 

[Noidenous]

What?

I wasn't debating the validity of the pick. I could if I wanted to, but I wasn't.

I simply stated, we wouldn't be begging, we'd simply be asking for something of value, as we need it and as there's a chance it would be given. It would actually be highly negligent not to ask. No brainer.

And I don't get the Man U 1958 reference.

1958 was the year of the Munich air disaster, which killed 7 of Man United's players.

 

[Quixote]

1958 was the year of the Munich air disaster, which killed 7 of Man United's players.

Ahhh right.

 

[sunny3193]

Ahhh right.

I understood your point.
I was just trying to put the basis in to context.
Sorry for the obscure Man U reference, that didn’t help, but I see Noidenous has explained it.