Opinion Priority Picks

[sheridan]

the best handout is to get AFL house to pay out snoz.

 

[Only Forwards]

I want extra soft cap space

I think this would be far far more beneficial than additional spots or more kids we can get in and burn.

 

[krakouers]

who did they get with those picks out of curiosity?

On traded to Geelong who picked Mitch Edwards and Freo got Jack Delean with the other pick

 

[Dinkers]

We need to lose our extra rookie spots, we play them suburban types in the ones . And **** me then seem surprised when we get belted.

 

[Luke72]

I don't think the club will formally ask for priority picks, but they shouldn't have to. They are going to want to give West Coast some sort of leg up, as they look completely useless, and with Tasmania's impending arrival it could be a big club sidelined for an extended time. I can't see how they can give West Coast any sort of compensation without giving something to us.

The trouble is that rather than looking into the shitty compensation package we've been given the media always refers to it as the "raft of compensation picks" which insinuates that it has been filled with wonderous gifts that we have somehow squandered. The reality is Hardeman is the one thing that seems to have been a success albeit on half a season's form.

 

[archereleven]

I have no idea. I'm not even suggesting a refund. Just hand them back and cut our losses.

We should be marching them through the doors of afl house ans saying, "have ya shitty priority picks back and you campaigners can pay them out off cap"

 

[justroyal]

No way should we ask for it.
We should ask the afl for assistance in not hiring ****ing space cadets for recruiting.
****ing morons.

 

[andana]

On traded to Geelong who picked Mitch Edwards and Freo got Jack Delean with the other pick

Delean played WAFL reserves last week.
North winning

 

[amaz199]

If we ask for them, there is every chance we **** up those picks too.

The whole joint is just not up to standard.

 

[giantroo]

The Eagles are going in

 

[Roo202]

In terms of being remotely comparable to what teams have historically received that have been less sh1t for less long, we should be getting multiple top end picks (it's what we should have gotten instead of 'must trade' second rounders), if it was offered now, of course we'd take it, but that won't happen and the reality is, it isn't what we need.

Obviously, there are many areas we are below standard, but I think too much is put on us drafting the 'wrong' players and not enough is put on how badly we are developing the players we do draft.

Not every highly rated 18 year old is going to be a successful player, but we are consistently drafting top end talent that not just our recruiters, but all the experts agree pre-draft are the amongst the ones with the most potential. To me, the current situation, with so many of those players not performing with us, while we look enviously at the success players drafted around them are having at other clubs, is far more an indictment of our development than our recruitment.

Successful teams are often lauded for their ability to recruit great talent with later picks and while I think there is something to that, I think it is more their ability to consistently convert the potential of a talented young player, whether drafted at pick 3, pick 30 or pick 75 into high quality AFL players.

Even our 'successful' high picks, Sheez, LDU etc, are underperforming to the level we know they are capable. I'm certainly not saying we are nailing every draft pick, but at the same time, Watson or Curtin wouldn't be anywhere near as good in our current set up.

I think if assistance is to be considered for us, it has to be something to improve development, whether that is soft cap relief to allow us to bring in more or better assistants or something else to help repair the unfulfilled talent we definitely have on our list, that would be far more beneficial than giving us a pick to draft another talented 18 year old.

 

[Mr north man]

We should ask for the AFL to step in and find some competent people to run the club.

Well yes but the AFL unless told by the other 17 clubs to do so won’t step in.

 

[ferball]

In terms of being remotely comparable to what teams have historically received that have been less sh1t for less long, we should be getting multiple top end picks (it's what we should have gotten instead of 'must trade' second rounders), if it was offered now, of course we'd take it, but that won't happen and the reality is, it isn't what we need.

Obviously, there are many areas we are below standard, but I think too much is put on us drafting the 'wrong' players and not enough is put on how badly we are developing the players we do draft.

Not every highly rated 18 year old is going to be a successful player, but we are consistently drafting top end talent that not just our recruiters, but all the experts agree pre-draft are the amongst the ones with the most potential. To me, the current situation, with so many of those players not performing with us, while we look enviously at the success players drafted around them are having at other clubs, is far more an indictment of our development than our recruitment.

Successful teams are often lauded for their ability to recruit great talent with later picks and while I think there is something to that, I think it is more their ability to consistently convert the potential of a talented young player, whether drafted at pick 3, pick 30 or pick 75 into high quality AFL players.

Even our 'successful' high picks, Sheez, LDU etc, are underperforming to the level we know they are capable. I'm certainly not saying we are nailing every draft pick, but at the same time, Watson or Curtin wouldn't be anywhere near as good in our current set up.

I think if assistance is to be considered for us, it has to be something to improve development, whether that is soft cap relief to allow us to bring in more or better assistants or something else to help repair the unfulfilled talent we definitely have on our list, that would be far more beneficial than giving us a pick to draft another talented 18 year old.

I mostly agree with you but ...

After 2020 we have very few poor draftees. Only Miller Bergman hasn't shown enough at AFL level so far. Even Duursma has done okay really in 20 games. Obviously could do better but still has multiple goals four times, took 11 marks in a game once and that includes six games where he was sub.

 

[Roo202]

I mostly agree with you but ...

After 2020 we have very few poor draftees. Only Miller Bergman hasn't shown enough at AFL level so far. Even Duursma has done okay really in 20 games. Obviously could do better but still has multiple goals four times, took 11 marks in a game once and that includes six games where he was sub.

I definitely can see the talent and potential in most of our recent draft picks. That is really my point. We are regularly bringing in highly talented juniors with potential to be very good AFL players, however, the best we are seeing at the moment is glimpses of that potential and it certainly is not coming together consistently enough to build towards a successful or even reliable game plan as a team.

When seeing players drafted with the picks just after ours to other clubs transition more successfully and quickly to AFL football, there is often a simple (in my opinion incorrect) conclusion drawn that we have drafted the 'wrong' player and it is primarily a recruitment/drafting issue.

Not every draftee will be a success, but like you say, since 2020 we have drafted relatively well. That they are unable to consistently show their potential at AFL level, when it is clearly there, I would see more as a development issue rather than a recruitment/drafting one.

 

[ferball]

I definitely can see the talent and potential in most of our recent draft picks. That is really my point. We are regularly bringing in highly talented juniors with potential to be very good AFL players, however, the best we are seeing at the moment is glimpses of that potential and it certainly is not coming together consistently enough to build towards a successful or even reliable game plan as a team.

When seeing players drafted with the picks just after ours to other clubs transition more successfully and quickly to AFL football, there is often a simple (in my opinion incorrect) conclusion drawn that we have drafted the 'wrong' player and it is primarily a recruitment/drafting issue.

Not every draftee will be a success, but like you say, since 2020 we have drafted relatively well. That they are unable to consistently show their potential at AFL level, when it is clearly there, I would see more as a development issue rather than a recruitment/drafting one.

Lets be realistic tho...most of them are still 20 or just turned 21. (Or younger.) Paul Curtis' year just turned 22 this season. Injuries aside they seem to be developing well. Goater and Jacko both look like good players...

when they are on the park.

 

[Roo202]

Lets be realistic tho...most of them are still 20 or just turned 21. (Or younger.) Paul Curtis' year just turned 22 this season. Injuries aside they seem to be developing well. Goater and Jacko both look like good players...

when they are on the park.

My point is I have more concern with how we are developing and making the most of the talent and potential of players we have on the list, rather than being concerned we drafted the 'right' player in the first place.

Assistance in developing the talent we already have on our list would go a lot further towards improvement than an extra high end draft pick to bring in an extra 18 year old with potential.

Yep, the players from recent drafts are still young and most have promisingly shown varying levels of their potential and that could be individually described as 'developing well'.

But, players that exceeded expectations early, showing they arrived ready to play AFL, have since plateaued and in some cases regressed, which has got to be on the club's development.

 

[ferball]

My point is I have more concern with how we are developing and making the most of the talent and potential of players we have on the list, rather than being concerned we drafted the 'right' player in the first place.

Assistance in developing the talent we already have on our list would go a lot further towards improvement than an extra high end draft pick to bring in an extra 18 year old with potential.

Yep, the players from recent drafts are still young and most have promisingly shown varying levels of their potential and that could be individually described as 'developing well'.

But, players that exceeded expectations early, showing they arrived ready to play AFL, have since plateaued and in some cases regressed, which has got to be on the club's development.

I dunno if that's true.

Phillips is the only one you'd say has regressed I reckon.

Sheezel may have plateaued a little but that's really more to do with his goal kicking accuracy. That's all. Funnily enough he's exactly as accurate as he was in his first season, he went at 1 goal for every three scoring shots that year too. But he's also got the weight of the VC and he's working harder defensively than he was last year. If he'd kicked 10.5 instead of 5.10 people wouldn't be noticing anything.

ARch, Goatboy and Wardlaw have all had injury or concussion issues to deal with.

 

[Roo202]

I dunno if that's true.

Phillips is the only one you'd say has regressed I reckon.

Sheezel may have plateaued a little but that's really more to do with his goal kicking accuracy. That's all. Funnily enough he's exactly as accurate as he was in his first season, he went at 1 goal for every three scoring shots that year too. But he's also got the weight of the VC and he's working harder defensively than he was last year. If he'd kicked 10.5 instead of 5.10 people wouldn't be noticing anything.

ARch, Goatboy and Wardlaw have all had injury or concussion issues to deal with.

Sheez has definitely regressed this year, I know his stats are comparable, but you just have to watch the game to see he is not playing with ridiculous creativity that he did in the first two seasons.

It's an impossibly high standard, this year he is still clearly one of our best, but that in a way is my point. With a ridiculous talent like that on our list, we have to have the structure and development in place to maximise it. Look at players that started in a similar way at other clubs, Daicos, Bont etc, they progress from exciting young players to the elite handful of players in the comp.

Not saying that won't happen for Harry, but this year hasn't been the next step forward it should have been. If that is because of the pressure of VC or other on field responsibilities stifling his game, then that is my point precisely, with that rare talent on the list, developing it to it's full potential has to be an absolute priority and it is essential we have the structure at the club to be able to do it, I am not convinced we do at the moment.

Like I said, I agree most of the young draftees are showing signs of their potential and young players develop at different rates, but is our club set up to get the maximum out of them? Other clubs are consistently getting more from later draft picks from the same drafts we are talking about. I don't think that is because their recruiters picked 'better' players than we did, I think they are better set up with their development and if we want to be competitive we have to improve in that area.

 

[speedy]

The Eagles are going in

The AFL and media have done a magnificent job in creating the illusion that we were given the world with our “assistance package” instead of everyone seeing it for the stinking pile of horse shit that it was.

Watch the eagles assistance package eclipse ours in one fell swoop.

 

[kool kangas]

Well yes but the AFL unless told by the other 17 clubs to do so won’t step in.

Dont you mean unless its Collingwood who says they can?

 

[DrZaius]

The AFL and media have done a magnificent job in creating the illusion that we were given the world with our “assistance package” instead of everyone seeing it for the stinking pile of horse shit that it was.

Watch the eagles assistance package eclipse ours in one fell swoop.

Oh it absolutely will. They might not get it this year but I wouldn't be surprised next year if they got extra first rounders.

 

[ferball]

Sheez has definitely regressed this year, I know his stats are comparable, but you just have to watch the game to see he is not playing with ridiculous creativity that he did in the first two seasons.

It's an impossibly high standard, this year he is still clearly one of our best, but that in a way is my point. With a ridiculous talent like that on our list, we have to have the structure and development in place to maximise it. Look at players that started in a similar way at other clubs, Daicos, Bont etc, they progress from exciting young players to the elite handful of players in the comp.

Not saying that won't happen for Harry, but this year hasn't been the next step forward it should have been. If that is because of the pressure of VC or other on field responsibilities stifling his game, then that is my point precisely, with that rare talent on the list, developing it to it's full potential has to be an absolute priority and it is essential we have the structure at the club to be able to do it, I am not convinced we do at the moment.

Like I said, I agree most of the young draftees are showing signs of their potential and young players develop at different rates, but is our club set up to get the maximum out of them? Other clubs are consistently getting more from later draft picks from the same drafts we are talking about. I don't think that is because their recruiters picked 'better' players than we did, I think they are better set up with their development and if we want to be competitive we have to improve in that area.

These are our late draft picks (ie after 30) since 2019 that are still on the list.

2019 - Chom (31), 2020 - Eddie Ford (56), 2021 - Curtis (35), Bergman (38), Archer (59), 2022 - Cooper Harvey (56), 2023 - we got Malet in the RD. 2024 - LUke Urquart (57), River Stevens (67).

Spicer and Lazz are no longer on the list.

 

[ferball]

Not saying that won't happen for Harry, but this year hasn't been the next step forward it should have been. If that is because of the pressure of VC or other on field responsibilities stifling his game, then that is my point precisely, with that rare talent on the list, developing it to it's full potential has to be an absolute priority and it is essential we have the structure at the club to be able to do it, I am not convinced we do at the moment.

I think that's a good point and I wonder if we went early on the vice-captaincy.

 

[Roostorm]

The AFL and media have done a magnificent job in creating the illusion that we were given the world with our “assistance package” instead of everyone seeing it for the stinking pile of horse shit that it was.

Watch the eagles assistance package eclipse ours in one fell swoop.

It’s already started in conversation about how dare we were given such generous picks…
Makes me absolutely . Can’t be bothered actually looking at what was given in respect to previous clubs in same position…but cry me a river North were given a king’s ransom

Some of the examples discussing said topic. And one is in the media….

 

[Val Keating]

We should ask for the AFL to step in and find some competent people to run the club.

Ohhhhh hellll No.