Private Schools

[checkraiseulite]

sure it does

 

[patterns]

Probably not common? But I wonder on the opposite side of things if any/many employers have a preference for the non private schooled when trying to find the right person for the job.

 

[Caesar]

Probably not common? But I wonder on the opposite side of things if any/many employers have a preference for the non private schooled when trying to find the right person for the job.

Back in the day you were no chance at an apprenticeship if you went to private school - there was a perception it made you soft

Dunno about these days

 

[checkraiseulite]

Probably not common? But I wonder on the opposite side of things if any/many employers have a preference for the non private schooled when trying to find the right person for the job.

to the extent i have a say in the hiring decisions at my workplace i generally prefer to hire non private school people to work for me.

 

[Jack Richards]

For the money parents dish out at these private schools, doing well in your vce would be a bare minimum expectation on the school.

The stupid thing is we hear about these kids and schools come vce results, more so than public schools in a lower socio economic area. If you look at the socio economic status of families, you can't compare.

Take for instance Hailbury or MLC who have a higher socio-economic status over a public school in Dandenong or Cranbourne where it is highly multicultural. You always hear about the private schools and their results and programs but they get more funding from parent fees and government funding.

We dont hear about the kids in the lower socio-economic areas like the boy from Sudan who got a high vce result in Dandenong. No spotlight on the programs they do.

I am always a firm believer that a child will make what they will of their education. I went to a private school and plenty of my peers went on to become tradies and work in retail.

As for employing private vs public school students, if you are judging people based on this, maybe you should look at not sitting on panels. I don't care about what school they went to. I look at how they answer selection criteria and experience.

 

[Jack Richards]

Back in the day you were no chance at an apprenticeship if you went to private school - there was a perception it made you soft

Dunno about these days

Really, plenty of my mates went on to be tradies and now earn more money than me who went onto to do my education degree.

I almost choked on my lunch when catching up with one who is brick layer. Broke down his daily earnings and he earns $2 for every brick he lays (works his ring off each day). Booked for months and just paid for a new ute in cash.

Puts me to shame.

 

[Caesar]

Yeah, good money in trades as long as you don’t wreck your body

 

[Chief]

Yeah, good money in trades as long as you don’t wreck your body

Plenty of drug and alcohol addiction too.

Starts young (from apprenticeship) with drinking, quickly adding rec drugs, then as pain from work injuries and just wear and tear kicks in, the pain medication comes out. This isn't to look down on tradies, it's just reality for far too many.

Throw in family stress from FIFO work and it's a pretty fraught career path.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Really, plenty of my mates went on to be tradies and now earn more money than me who went onto to do my education degree.

I almost choked on my lunch when catching up with one who is brick layer. Broke down his daily earnings and he earns $2 for every brick he lays (works his ring off each day). Booked for months and just paid for a new ute in cash.

Puts me to shame.

usually your brickie gets paid in cash and puts the ford ranger and the jetski on tick.

 

[Jack Richards]

Yeah, good money in trades as long as you don’t wreck your body

By then the good ones have people work for them. My uncle has his own engineering company that makes and install fences. His back is cactus now but still makes enough to fund his lifestyle while he has workers to do the heavy lifting.

A mate has his own pumbing company. Rarely does he go to jobs now or does em solo. He will go the bigger jobs and does the less strenuous side of it. The younger blokes do the rest.

 

[Jack Richards]

Plenty of drug and alcohol addiction too.

Starts young (from apprenticeship) with drinking, quickly adding rec drugs, then as pain from work injuries and just wear and tear kicks in, the pain medication comes out. This isn't to look down on tradies, it's just reality for far too many.

Throw in family stress from FIFO work and it's a pretty fraught career path.

FIFO work is another layer and different to standard 'tradie around the corner' scenario.

Drugs and drinking being plenty is a broad brush.

Yes some like a drink, but you could say that about corporate jobs too. Even truckies. I've got some teacher mates that love a drink.

Wear and tear is the same in any industry that uses repetitive muscle groups. For instance in retail, wrists, knees and back.

For teachers, wrists, knees, back, kneck. Its all about training how to limit this OHS ergonomic problems.

 

[Chief]

FIFO work is another layer and different to standard 'tradie around the corner' scenario.

Drugs and drinking being plenty is a broad brush.

Yes some like a drink, but you could say that about corporate jobs too. Even truckies. I've got some teacher mates that love a drink.

Wear and tear is the same in any industry that uses repetitive muscle groups. For instance in retail, wrists, knees and back.

For teachers, wrists, knees, back, kneck. Its all about training how to limit this OHS ergonomic problems.

Yea all industries have issues. Building and trades have particular problems that aren’t helped by minimising their severity.

Foundation House is helping tradies come to terms with mental health and addiction.

“I worked in construction, and I was a functioning addict from when I started when I was 18,” How Foundation House is supporting their own.

makinex.com.au

Teaching and retail don’t have anywhere near the substance abuse problems that building and trades do.

 

[Caesar]

By then the good ones have people work for them. My uncle has his own engineering company that makes and install fences. His back is cactus now but still makes enough to fund his lifestyle while he has workers to do the heavy lifting.

A mate has his own pumbing company. Rarely does he go to jobs now or does em solo. He will go the bigger jobs and does the less strenuous side of it. The younger blokes do the rest.

There are certainly opportunities to make good money, but for a lot of blokes it’s a hard slog. I read a study a while ago that followed 1000 apprentices for 12 months. They collectively had 800 injuries in that period, 200 of which were classed as serious.

I think Australia sends too many people to uni, but by the same token I think trades are often falsely presented to young men as a river of gold.

It’s a tough gig, and for every story like your uncle’s or your mate’s there’s another for whom it’s taken a big toll on their mental and physical health.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

My eldest son is 3 and we've just started looking into schools. Turns out we're zoned for the worst performing primary school in the area (we miss out on the other school's zone by two houses) and the secondary school has very poor results over the past few years. I've seen posts in our local community facebook page saying that quite a few parents have pulled their kids out of our zoned schools due to poor response to incidents of bullying.

Looks like we're going to have to send the boys to our local Grammar school, which I really didn't want to do but out of zone enrolments in public are very hard to come by.

 

[Chief]

My eldest son is 3 and we've just started looking into schools. Turns out we're zoned for the worst performing primary school in the area (we miss out on the other school's zone by two houses) and the secondary school has very poor results over the past few years. I've seen posts in our local community facebook page saying that quite a few parents have pulled their kids out of our zoned schools due to poor response to incidents of bullying.

Looks like we're going to have to send the boys to our local Grammar school, which I really didn't want to do but out of zone enrolments in public are very hard to come by.

Yeah that sucks. My oldest had good enough grades to get a priority into out of zone school - our zone high school has had a bad rep for years. They accept lots of kids who have been excluded in their own area which is good, but it makes for a tougher, lower performing school. Apparently the new head is turning things around though.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Yeah that sucks. My oldest had good enough grades to get a priority into out of zone school - our zone high school has had a bad rep for years. They accept lots of kids who have been excluded in their own area which is good, but it makes for a tougher, lower performing school. Apparently the new head is turning things around though.

We did think about public for primary then Grammar for secondary, but the Grammar school is a p-12 so no guarantee of enrolment in year 7. I didn't realise that grades impacted on out of zone enrolments! My son is quite advanced for his age but no guarantee he's always going to be ahead, so can't bank on acceptance into a selective school or out of zone based on that.

 

[Chief]

We did think about public for primary then Grammar for secondary, but the Grammar school is a p-12 so no guarantee of enrolment in year 7. I didn't realise that grades impacted on out of zone enrolments! My son is quite advanced for his age but no guarantee he's always going to be ahead, so can't bank on acceptance into a selective school or out of zone based on that.

In Qld the school has to take in-zone, but can then be as selective as they like about out of zone enrolments.

 

[ImissFrosty]

Bored and stumbled across this thread so i'll give my 2c.
I'm currently in a victorian catholic private school and have been in the private system since prep.
My family moved house because there were no good schools in the area, the local public school delivered very below average results and was tiny, the closest catholic school was over 40 minutes away which would be too far.

Private primary schools are only good in that your kids will get straight into the local private high school, they provide no difference in education.

I am very lucky that i'm pretty gifted intellectually. On the other hand, my younger brother struggles with school and wants to be a tradie, he is a gun cricketer and footballer though which makes his time at school worthwhile. In our experience, private schools excel in providing support for those who are intellectually challenged and offering opportunities for gifted students. I have been able to partake in many university style lectures and have competed in academic tournaments, these have been great for my development and I loved it.

I won't beat around the bush any longer, I go to Marcellin College, our VCE results are very average and not what you'd expect for paying 12k a year, but the co-curricular opportunities and sporting programs are first class. We have a very different system that provides kids with nearly unlimited choices in terms of subjects, we provide different classes in maths according to level and kids can choose English subjects where you read different books to get kids more engaged.

To wrap up, each private school unlocks pathways that wouldn't be available in a public school. But, in order to really get a big bump up on VCE scores, only the real big boys can do that, Carey, Xavier, St.Kevins, Brighton Grammar, Geelong Grammar, Trinity.

 

[Chief]

we provide different classes in maths according to level and kids can choose English subjects where you read different books to get kids more engaged.

We have that for our kids. At a public high school.

 

[ImissFrosty]

We have that for our kids. At a public high school.

Didn't describe it well sorry, we have a new system called polaris which provides over 60000 different combinations of subjects. If you want to do anything, chances are that you can. We have outdoor ed courses on like rock climbing and stuff like that. We also have an AFL subject for PE, as well as a sport science subject which i did and was awesome.

 

[Chief]

This is nothing REALLY special. I don’t know what you imagine public schools are like. Some are pretty bad of course. But it’s not a desolate wasteland out there in the real world.

 

[ImissFrosty]

This is nothing REALLY special. I don’t know what you imagine public schools are like. Some are pretty bad of course. But it’s not a desolate wasteland out there in the real world.

I've been sold a lie

 

[Gigantic]

Government helping to keep private schools afloat

 

[Deliverance]

Someone's gotta pay for the 50m pool and rowing sheds.

 

[Caesar]

Government helping to keep private schools afloat

Bit of a misleading graph given that it doesn't distinguish between state and federal money - think you would find that state governments have tipped in more money to public schools than private schools over that period

The federal government has pumped a lot of money in recently, but because they aren't responsible for public education it's mostly gone to private schools