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Out of all the links I gave you, you selectively touch on Jones, who I am well aware has been discredited for this and that, as there are others in the broader truth group who have been for this or that. Some who have compromised the greater effort with stupid speculations or personal agendas.
It's like going on about Loose Change as 'the' flag of the truth movement, or mentioning those who also believe Elvis is alive believe 9/11 was an inside job, when there is a wealth of real world science and credible sources (scientists, military, police, firemen, architects, engineers, pilots, demolition experts, etc) who also believe 9/11 was an inside job.
How about you go thru those sites and google and pull up all the names who haven't been discredited, and who aren't educated in religion/philosophy, but in architecture, engineering, aeronautics, demolition. If you're truly looking to counter this perception you have that everyone on the O/S side is right/credible and everyone on the C/T side isn't, you would by default be truthful to yourself, research objectively, honestly push yourself to acknowlege all the things in the O/S that do not add up.
There are many on your side of the ledger who have likewise been discredited. Leslie Robertson, for instance, I showed you before. Someone you were hanging a hat on. NIST has had holes punched in it by real science itself, irrespective of the source. Science is science (eg, jet fuel temperature and temperature which the integrity of steel maintains itself). The 9/11 commission report has had holes punched in it time and again.
Likewise, there are academics on the truth side who have also been criticized, discredited, etc.
This isn't a game about names. It's about understanding that certain aspects of the 9/11 story do not hold up to the litmus test of science and logic. And there are other aspects of the 9/11 story where the government/intel is withholding and/or destroyed information, video, and evidence. Acknowledging a cover up.
Simply put, any cover up in itself betrays the likelihood of shenanigans, criminal activity, deceit, etc.
There have been many real world examples of cover ups that have been exposed, proving that there was criminality, conspiring, shenanigans behind it. There has never been a cover up that got exposed which ended up showing there was no criminality, conspiring, shenanigans. Because that is the very nature of a cover up...to conceal a dirty act/intention/reality.
What the most vocal people from the O/S side on here are doing is blindly accepting the official findings, or refusing to consider credible counter-evidence. Because they cannot comprehend such evil could be perpetrated. They just rather scoff to maintain a certain acceptance/view of the world.
Yes, you could say people who tend to believe in conspiracy theories are cynical, have a distrust of those in power, etc. But all that aside, the truth is -- there are many signs of a cover up, spin-doctoring, propaganda, and fallacious science and official reports in 9/11. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be a truth movement. Because many millions of people around the world saw, and understood logically and scientifically, that things didn't add up on the day of the event. People questioned and kept questioning, and the more the days and years went on, the more it grew apparent. More questions, truth movements, credible people from all walks of life either believing it was an inside job, or very suspicious of the government, on the fence, but pushing for a re-opening of a commission, for confiscated evidence to be shown, etc. That includes the families of the deceased.
It's like going on about Loose Change as 'the' flag of the truth movement, or mentioning those who also believe Elvis is alive believe 9/11 was an inside job, when there is a wealth of real world science and credible sources (scientists, military, police, firemen, architects, engineers, pilots, demolition experts, etc) who also believe 9/11 was an inside job.
How about you go thru those sites and google and pull up all the names who haven't been discredited, and who aren't educated in religion/philosophy, but in architecture, engineering, aeronautics, demolition. If you're truly looking to counter this perception you have that everyone on the O/S side is right/credible and everyone on the C/T side isn't, you would by default be truthful to yourself, research objectively, honestly push yourself to acknowlege all the things in the O/S that do not add up.
There are many on your side of the ledger who have likewise been discredited. Leslie Robertson, for instance, I showed you before. Someone you were hanging a hat on. NIST has had holes punched in it by real science itself, irrespective of the source. Science is science (eg, jet fuel temperature and temperature which the integrity of steel maintains itself). The 9/11 commission report has had holes punched in it time and again.
Likewise, there are academics on the truth side who have also been criticized, discredited, etc.
This isn't a game about names. It's about understanding that certain aspects of the 9/11 story do not hold up to the litmus test of science and logic. And there are other aspects of the 9/11 story where the government/intel is withholding and/or destroyed information, video, and evidence. Acknowledging a cover up.
Simply put, any cover up in itself betrays the likelihood of shenanigans, criminal activity, deceit, etc.
There have been many real world examples of cover ups that have been exposed, proving that there was criminality, conspiring, shenanigans behind it. There has never been a cover up that got exposed which ended up showing there was no criminality, conspiring, shenanigans. Because that is the very nature of a cover up...to conceal a dirty act/intention/reality.
What the most vocal people from the O/S side on here are doing is blindly accepting the official findings, or refusing to consider credible counter-evidence. Because they cannot comprehend such evil could be perpetrated. They just rather scoff to maintain a certain acceptance/view of the world.
Yes, you could say people who tend to believe in conspiracy theories are cynical, have a distrust of those in power, etc. But all that aside, the truth is -- there are many signs of a cover up, spin-doctoring, propaganda, and fallacious science and official reports in 9/11. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be a truth movement. Because many millions of people around the world saw, and understood logically and scientifically, that things didn't add up on the day of the event. People questioned and kept questioning, and the more the days and years went on, the more it grew apparent. More questions, truth movements, credible people from all walks of life either believing it was an inside job, or very suspicious of the government, on the fence, but pushing for a re-opening of a commission, for confiscated evidence to be shown, etc. That includes the families of the deceased.

