Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

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Out of all the links I gave you, you selectively touch on Jones, who I am well aware has been discredited for this and that, as there are others in the broader truth group who have been for this or that. Some who have compromised the greater effort with stupid speculations or personal agendas.

It's like going on about Loose Change as 'the' flag of the truth movement, or mentioning those who also believe Elvis is alive believe 9/11 was an inside job, when there is a wealth of real world science and credible sources (scientists, military, police, firemen, architects, engineers, pilots, demolition experts, etc) who also believe 9/11 was an inside job.

How about you go thru those sites and google and pull up all the names who haven't been discredited, and who aren't educated in religion/philosophy, but in architecture, engineering, aeronautics, demolition. If you're truly looking to counter this perception you have that everyone on the O/S side is right/credible and everyone on the C/T side isn't, you would by default be truthful to yourself, research objectively, honestly push yourself to acknowlege all the things in the O/S that do not add up.

There are many on your side of the ledger who have likewise been discredited. Leslie Robertson, for instance, I showed you before. Someone you were hanging a hat on. NIST has had holes punched in it by real science itself, irrespective of the source. Science is science (eg, jet fuel temperature and temperature which the integrity of steel maintains itself). The 9/11 commission report has had holes punched in it time and again.

Likewise, there are academics on the truth side who have also been criticized, discredited, etc.

This isn't a game about names. It's about understanding that certain aspects of the 9/11 story do not hold up to the litmus test of science and logic. And there are other aspects of the 9/11 story where the government/intel is withholding and/or destroyed information, video, and evidence. Acknowledging a cover up.

Simply put, any cover up in itself betrays the likelihood of shenanigans, criminal activity, deceit, etc.

There have been many real world examples of cover ups that have been exposed, proving that there was criminality, conspiring, shenanigans behind it. There has never been a cover up that got exposed which ended up showing there was no criminality, conspiring, shenanigans. Because that is the very nature of a cover up...to conceal a dirty act/intention/reality.

What the most vocal people from the O/S side on here are doing is blindly accepting the official findings, or refusing to consider credible counter-evidence. Because they cannot comprehend such evil could be perpetrated. They just rather scoff to maintain a certain acceptance/view of the world.

Yes, you could say people who tend to believe in conspiracy theories are cynical, have a distrust of those in power, etc. But all that aside, the truth is -- there are many signs of a cover up, spin-doctoring, propaganda, and fallacious science and official reports in 9/11. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be a truth movement. Because many millions of people around the world saw, and understood logically and scientifically, that things didn't add up on the day of the event. People questioned and kept questioning, and the more the days and years went on, the more it grew apparent. More questions, truth movements, credible people from all walks of life either believing it was an inside job, or very suspicious of the government, on the fence, but pushing for a re-opening of a commission, for confiscated evidence to be shown, etc. That includes the families of the deceased.
 

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I started this thread some time ago and would dearly wish to come back at this time and say that a a sickening Cabal did not commit this assault in order to further their geopolitical and domestic aims....but I cant. The fairy tales that encourage misdirection and blind allegiance stand in overt consciousness but when questioned deeper almost everyone I know understands intuitively that we are being lied to.
 

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Organiser 1 to Organiser 2

O1: hey you know last week when I said that our family and their friends are running out of the money that they stole, well I have had been planning something to help with that. I can only tell you my idea if you promise to not tell anyone and to sweeten the deal, I will give you $200 now and $30 million dollars later when the plan is complete.

O2: Let me see the $200 first ... ok, I promise

O1: My family and their friends are organising a vast conspiracy to hijack airplanes, pretend that it was done by islamic terrorists, and crash them into buildings lined with explosives. It will cause so much damage that we will have an excuse to invade iraq and get their oil. Plus we have a whole lot of other little scams going on within the one big scam which should make us plenty of money before the oil money comes in.

O2: That's one of the craziest things I have ever heard, I thought you were going to tell me about an insurance scam or something.

O1: That's one of the little mini scams!

O2: Well I don't want any part of it, and I am going straight to the police.

O1: First of all - you promised! and second of all, good luck going to the cops because they are all in on it. You have no idea how often I have had to pay people $200. When I first started planning this, I really thought there would be a $200 note by now.
 

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Scale modeling of the 96th floor of world trade center tower 1. Wang, M; Chang, P; Quintiere, J, et al. Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities.

A suggested cause of the fire-induced collapse of the World Trade Towers. Quintiere, JG; di Marzo, M; Becker, R. Fire Safety Journal.

Engineering perspective of the collapse of WTC-I. Irfanoglu, A; Hoffmann, CM. Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities.

The role of metallurgy in the NIST investigation of the world trade center towers collapse. Banovic, SW; Foecke, T; Luecke, WE, et al. Journal of Mechanics.

Failure of welded floor truss connections from the exterior wall during collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Banovic, S.W; Siewert, T.A. Welding Journal.

Mechanics of the WTC collapse. Cherepanov, G.P. International Journal of Fracture.

Progressive collapse of towers: The resistance effect. Cherepanov, G.P; Esparragoza, I.E International Journal of Fracture.

Impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft into the World Trade Center. Karim, M.R; Fatt, MSH. Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Structural responses of world trade center under aircraft attacks. Omika, Y; Fukuzawa, E; Koshika, N, et al. Journal of Structural Engineering.
The structural steel of the World Trade Center towers. Gayle, FW; Banovic, SW; Foecke, T, et al. Advanced Materials and Processes.

How did the WTC towers collapse: a new theory. Usmani, AS; Chung, YC; Torero, JL. Fire Safety Journal.

Progressive collapse of the World Trade Center: Simple analysis. Seffen, K. A. Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Why did the World Trade Center collapse? - Simple analysis. Bazant, ZP; Zhou, Y. Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center. Wierzbicki, T; Teng, X. International Journal of Impact Engineering.

Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse?; Newland, D. E.; Cebon, D. Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation. Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C., Journal of Mechanics.

Dissecting the Collapses. Civil Engineering ASCE.

Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers. Clifton, Charles G., HERA: Innovation in Metals.

Stability of the World Trade Center Twin Towers Structural Frame in Multiple Floor Fires. By: Usmani, A. S. Journal of Engineering Mechanics.

The Structural Steel of the World Trade Center Towers. Gayle, Frank W.; Banovic, Stephen W.; Foecke, Tim. Advanced Materials & Processes.

WTC Findings Uphold Structural Design. Post, Nadine M. Engineering News Record.

World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations. Monahan, B., Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction.

Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers: What caused it and what didn't. Bazant, ZP; Benson, D; Greening, F; Le, J.

Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions. Bazant, ZP; Verdure, M.

Please provide peer reviewed papers in respected journals like above showing the WTC's were blown up with explosives and the Pentagon was hit by a missile. No the Journal for 9/11 truth is not a respected journal so don't even bother with anything resembling that.

Will wait for links.

Thanks

Fact: AA jet hit the Pentagon
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Still waiting for evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon.

Fact: Engineers and Firefighters expected Building 7 to collapse after seeing the damage and thus evacuated the area to a 4 mile radius. Proof here - including video showing just had much it was damaged and burning uncontrolled without any water being used on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rj5UQvlWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U

FBI hiding videos of the Pentagon = MYTH
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos
 

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I still laugh out loud at the evidence they found at ground zero but apparantly the pentagon strike demolished more than the two towers falling.

Whats not funny is people refusing to actualy comprehend this.
 

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[The "intelligence failures" leading up to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are an issue the media - and lawmakers - put to bed years ago, despite the fact that new information continues to trickle out, undercutting the integrity of the official investigations into who knew what and when.

It was an exclusive story Truthout published May 23 in the wake of Bin Laden's death, focusing on a little-known intelligence unit ordered to stop tracking his movements prior to 9/11, that led Iron Man to contact Truthout to share previously undisclosed documents he recently obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which appear to cast further doubt on the official narrative and suggests high-level military and intelligence officials withheld key evidence from Congressional lawmakers probing the attacks.

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http://www.truth-out.org/truthouts-jason-leopold-911-not-intelligence-failure/1315766031?q=intelligence-unit-determined-world-trade-center-pentagon-most-likely-buildings-be-attacked/131571460

Read the official response to the request from "Iron Man" under FOI, from the Defence Intelligence Agency . . . .
 

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I think it's about time that we all admit that KTI and Trippy and all the others are right. Only crackpots and loons question the events of 9/11.
Ah - its Mr OldBlueFan back once again.

He of the "A missile hit the Pentagon and the actual plane was mysteriously diverted and crashed into the ocean - where no trace of any wreckage or bodies have been found since."

Shall I dredge up that post again OBF?
 

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If OldBlueFan posted such a speculation at the time, that's no where near as embarrassing as all of Daytrippers (and others) posts still ongoing today.

I think I posted something similar to OldBlueFan a few years ago too, because we don't know and posted speculations that had been mentioned, when people ask "if it was a missile what happened to the plane and the passengers".
 

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No need to speculate as it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt (unless your a conspiracy nut with a confirmation bias) that a plane did hit the Pentagon. I posted proof a few posts back, still yet to see proof of a missile. Just random questions with little substance that could prove the theory beyond a reasonable doubt.

You will notice when a truther is given facts explaining why his/her theory is not accurate or likely they will usually change the subject and not attempt to tell you why the proof you have given them is wrong. Or they will go full ****** and claim the FBI planted pieces of planes/engines/bodies on the lawn and in the impact zone without 100's of people seeing.

The people who use the second method are not worth the time to prove wrong, they are too far down the lost path.

Let me make this clear. I AGREE EVERYTHING SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. Including the Governments account of what they and experts think happened. However that does not mean you start lying and and misquoting people, or simply making claims without valid scientific method. There is a big difference, of course we should question everything.

The people leading the charge for the truth movement are not professionals in relevant fields. 3 are high school drop outs with no clue on structural engineering, but a big experts in video editing and making false claims, another is a professor in theology, another in religion and the others seem to be outcast from their professions after their peers find out what false ideas they are promoting.
 

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If OldBlueFan posted such a speculation at the time, that's no where near as embarrassing as all of Daytrippers (and others) posts still ongoing today.

I think I posted something similar to OldBlueFan a few years ago too, because we don't know and posted speculations that had been mentioned, when people ask "if it was a missile what happened to the plane and the passengers".
Exactly, it's so patently obvious that the OS is bullshit on this score that we're left merely to speculate on what might have happened.

I'm not exactly holding my breath, but if a few of the folks listed on the link I posted can drum up the momentum for a real enquiry, we might one day find out.
 

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There are many red flags in 9/11, WTC7, WTC12 jet-fuel vs steel etc etc. But I think the Pentagon is the one that would bring the house of cards down.

The way I see what really happened is this....

US knows an attack is planned, let it happen, and aided it along with controlled demolition + missile SkyWarrior Pentagon collision, plus a lot of disinformation and confusion creating among their own ranks, lower intel, military, etc. Then covered it up.
 

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I said that's how I see what happened. Didn't say I proved it without a shadow of a doubt. Which no one on a forum can. It will take a new commission or a whistle-blower or something like Wikileaks.

But I firmly believe that's the general idea of what happened, without being able to tie up the loose ends of stuff like "what happened to the passengers and plane".

Btw, just so you know. 9/11/01 and for days and days afterwards, I was a firm believer in the official story, tho I did see like everyone else, a lot of stuff that didn't logically/scientifically make sense, I just didn't think anything about an inside job. Then weeks/months later (cant remember exactly when) i started to question more and objectively consider the 'truth' side of it as more info and science and inconsistencies and lies etc started to surface.

Tho I cant prove it, I am 100% now that 9/11 happened as I said above.

Operation Northwoods can't be sneezed at. Nor the whole Wolferwitz (sp) Middle Eastern plan and stuff that General Clark and even GW Bush admitted later.
 

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And we'll be vindicated in time. Matter of time. One day you'll PM me and all the others you condescended in this thread and humbly apologize.
You are severely disconnected from reality, I actually feel sorry for you.. Some time during your life you were searching for answers to fill a void you felt inside, you developed a mistrust for authority for some reason and have decided to dedicate your energy to conspiracy theories - no matter how stupid and ridiculous they are.

You are completely disconnected from reality, you have lost the ability to think rationally and see both sides of an argument - this is not good. One day when you grow up and learn to think critically and objectively you will look back and see how brainwashed and ignorant you were. You won't grow as a person until you learn to accept that not everyone is out to get you, you are not being followed by the CIA, the US Government did not plan 9/11 - they just reacted to it very badly. A big difference.
 

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But I firmly believe that's the general idea of what happened, without being able to tie up the loose ends of stuff like "what happened to the passengers and plane".
lol - In GG's world, 64 passengers and crew plus an entire Boeing 757 that have apparently all disappeared without a trace, is classified as 'loose ends'.......
 
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