Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

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the disconnect is amoral, not immoral.

as in, you sweep over the atrocity and reality that the US govt (allies) allowed thousands to die on the day, and thousands more to go to war and die, all willfully, all for resources and wealth, and bald-facedly lying and covering it up. Yet scream and shout about an analogy used to paint the degree of atrocity.

The ones who are disturbed and sick are the power-mongers making these decisions, and the amorally disconnected who continue to support the O/S or try to hurt/disparage the truth movement that is pushing merely for legitimate disclosure.
 

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the disconnect is amoral, not immoral.

as in, you sweep over the atrocity and reality that the US govt (allies) allowed thousands to die on the day, and thousands more to go to war and die, all willfully, all for resources and wealth, and bald-facedly lying and covering it up. Yet scream and shout about an analogy used to paint the degree of atrocity.

The ones who are disturbed and sick are the power-mongers making these decisions, and the amorally disconnected who continue to support the O/S or try to hurt/disparage the truth movement that is pushing merely for legitimate disclosure.
I haven't swept over anything at all. And neither have most of the other posters in this thread, including people that oppose and support the official story (and all to varying extent). Saying that I have swept over things because I have come to a different conclusion to you based on the available evidence is juvenile.

Just so you know, I was strongly opposed to the USA's war in Afghanistan or Iraq and I don't doubt that a major reason for the wars were for oil (and the wealth/power) that comes with it. But I simply don't believe that the US government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
 

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What you say (first paragrah) is valid, and I agree with you. I shouldn't have included you in what I said before, apologies for that. And I didnt actually intimate that anyway - that bit about if someone disagrees. I was referring more to the 'outrage' at my analogy, but not realizing that there's already a strong amount of evidence/proof that at the very least the US were 100% aware and willfully turned a blind eye to allow it to occur. The amorality of themselves turning a blind eye to that and brushing over it, but hypocritically wanting to scream and jump about an analogy on a forum. It's just playing the man or they are genuinely morally disconnected.

There's no debating that basic level of 9/11 truth, because so many insiders/intel have already confirmed that the US knew and willfully subverted their own departments from stopping it happen. If people only want proof/evidence to come from US politicians/congress and intel to disprove the O/S, then that's already established for that much.
 

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For what it's worth, I don't think that they knew about the events and let them happen.
They had no idea what was going to happen, even though:

- In 1999, MI-6 alerted the US to al Qaeda plans to use commerical aircraft as "flying bombs", and repeated the warning in August 2001,
- The Cayman Islands told the US that al Qaeda was "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airliner" at about the same time as the 2nd MI-6 warning
- In July 2001, Egypt warned the US that 20 al Qaeda agents were in the US, and four of them had received flight training,
- In June 2001, Germany warned the US that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to use commercial airliners as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols which stand out",
- On September 7, Italy sent word of an attack on the US using airplanes as weapons,
- In July or August 2001, Jordan sent the contents of an intercepted message, according to which a major attack was imminent.
- In August 2001, Russia alerted the US to an attack by about 25 terrorists who would attack "important buildings like the Pentagon."

All that intel beforehand, and Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and co. are still adamant that they had no idea that terrorists were thinking of using airliners as weapons. :rolleyes:
 

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If i was forced to take aposition GG I'd say we got robbed by a bunch of Texan gunslingers who are to use the ways south of there border. Almost like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid had millionare gun runners fund a campaign into the whitehouse. but thats if i was forced to..

At this point though i only know that there was no smoking gun as most are brainwashed into thinking.

However i do get your analogy...
 

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Amongst the informed everyone agree's that invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact it only made the enviorement that aparantly produces middle eastern extremists more volitile. Also,

We more pay more for oil today as a result of the Iraq invasion.
We are further behind in dealing with war lords in Afganistan and comprimised everything in that endevour when we abandoned the place to concentrate on Iraq.

The Americans have borrowed every cent to deal with both wars.

I am not sure what people don't get? Imagine if FDR turned his back on europe and the pacific and invaded brazil in 1942 because he could.......where would that of left the war?

tick tock tick tock tick tock..
 

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They had no idea what was going to happen, even though:

- In 1999, MI-6 alerted the US to al Qaeda plans to use commerical aircraft as "flying bombs", and repeated the warning in August 2001,
- The Cayman Islands told the US that al Qaeda was "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airliner" at about the same time as the 2nd MI-6 warning
- In July 2001, Egypt warned the US that 20 al Qaeda agents were in the US, and four of them had received flight training,
- In June 2001, Germany warned the US that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to use commercial airliners as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols which stand out",
- On September 7, Italy sent word of an attack on the US using airplanes as weapons,
- In July or August 2001, Jordan sent the contents of an intercepted message, according to which a major attack was imminent.
- In August 2001, Russia alerted the US to an attack by about 25 terrorists who would attack "important buildings like the Pentagon."

All that intel beforehand, and Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and co. are still adamant that they had no idea that terrorists were thinking of using airliners as weapons. :rolleyes:
Amazing if true.
 

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Read another interesting passage in the book I'm reading at the moment (9/11 Synthetic Terror by Webster Griffin Tarpley), which I'll copy here.

Another report came from Scott Forbes, an employee of Fiduciary Trust, a firm which was located on floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower. Eighty seven employees of Fiduciary Trust were killed on 9/11. In an e-mail account, Forbes reported that over the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, floors 50 and above of the South Tower experienced a "power down", meaning that all electrical current was cut off for about 36 hours. The reason officially cited was that the electrical cables in the building were being upgraded. Forbes was an information technology officer in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer network; his attention was engaged by the power down because it fell to him to shut down all the company's computers and related systems before the power went out. After the power down, he had to turn the computers back on again, and restore service to the network. Because there was no electric power above the 50th floor, there were also no security cameras and no security locks. However, there were many outside engineering personnel coming in and out of the tower at all hours during the weekend.
Could it be purely co-incidence that on the weekend before 9/11, a lot of engineering personnel were coming in and out of the South Tower, and working in an area which was blacked out, with no security locks or security cameras to hinder them?
 

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Could it be purely co-incidence that a group of arab extremists decided to hijack planes and crash them into important structures on 9/11? Since childhood they have been taught to hate the USA and it's foreign policies and involvement in the middle east. Could it be purely co-incidence that they took flight lessons and were more than capable to turn and change the altitude of a plane? Could it be purely co-incidence that engineering experts can explain clearly and with peer reviewed papers in RESPECTED journals that the way the towers fell was expected given the impact? Could it be purely co-incidence that firefighters and engineers saw the damage to WTC7 and used their knowledge of fires and the building to decide it would collapse and thus evacuated the area to a 4 mile radius?
 

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Could it be purely co-incidence that on the weekend before 9/11, a lot of engineering personnel were coming in and out of the South Tower, and working in an area which was blacked out, with no security locks or security cameras to hinder them?
Jesus - do you really think it takes a 'weekend' to wire up a building that size?

It would be a 6 month job minimum involving months of planning, surveying and testing.

And why do it if you knew a plane was going to hit it anyway?:confused:
 

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this is a good read and might help people understand, if they care to open their mind and stop going with the flow of what they're used to

http://www.representativepress.org/Intelligence.html

Question: What is the meaning of your call for Muslims to take arms against America in particular, and what is the message that you wish to send to the West in general?
Osama bin Ladin: The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control. These are the reasons behind the singling out of America as a target.
John Miller: Mr. bin Laden, you have issued a fatwah calling on Muslims to kill Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all Americans, just the American military, just the Americans in Saudi Arabia?

Osama bin Ladin: Allah has ordered us to glorify the truth and to defend Muslim land, especially the Arab peninsula ... against the unbelievers. After World War II, the Americans grew more unfair and more oppressive towards people in general and Muslims in particular. ... The Americans started it and retaliation and punishment should be carried out following the principle of reciprocity, especially when women and children are involved. Through history, American has not been known to differentiate between the military and the civilians or between men and women or adults and children. Those who threw atomic bombs and used the weapons of mass destruction against Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the Americans. Can the bombs differentiate between military and women and infants and children? America has no religion that can deter her from exterminating whole peoples. Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans
http://www.representativepress.org/Intelligence.html
 

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Jesus - do you really think it takes a 'weekend' to wire up a building that size?

It would be a 6 month job minimum involving months of planning, surveying and testing.

And why do it if you knew a plane was going to hit it anyway?:confused:
Could you imagine how suspect it would look if the towers just exploded and fell by themselves?

Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.

If the fires that were caused by the burning jet fuel were so hot that they weakened the structures enough to cause them to buckle and fall, how can you explain the following picture, which was taken about 10 minutes before the South Tower collapsed?



Do you really think those people would be able to look out the hole caused by the plane hitting the tower minutes after impact if the resultant fire burnt so hot that it was able to melt steel?
 

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Could it be purely co-incidence that a group of arab extremists decided to hijack planes and crash them into important structures on 9/11? Since childhood they have been taught to hate the USA and it's foreign policies and involvement in the middle east. Could it be purely co-incidence that they took flight lessons and were more than capable to turn and change the altitude of a plane? Could it be purely co-incidence that engineering experts can explain clearly and with peer reviewed papers in RESPECTED journals that the way the towers fell was expected given the impact? Could it be purely co-incidence that firefighters and engineers saw the damage to WTC7 and used their knowledge of fires and the building to decide it would collapse and thus evacuated the area to a 4 mile radius?
Could it be purely co-incidence that the alleged hijacker who piloted flight 77 into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, was said to be so inept, that when he was asked to draw a plane, he actually drew the wings on backwards? Yet this guy was supposedly able to execute a 270 degree turn while losing 7000 feet in altitude - a feat that most pilots say can only be performed by seasoned jet pilots, not someone whose only flight experience was flying in a single engine Cessna.

Could it be purely co-incidence that the supposed leader of the hijackers, Mohammad Atta, who was supposedly a strict Muslim, was repeatedly seen frequenting strip clubs, drinking beer and eating beef in Florida and Las Vegas, which are all forbidden by Muslim law?

Could it be purely co-incidence that at least seven of the supposed terrorists, as named by the FBI, are actually still alive?

Could it be purely co-incidence that the first firefighters who got to the fire in the North Tower of the WTC actually radioed and said they thought they'd need two lines to control the fire? Two hoses to control a fire that, according to the official story, was big enough and hot enough to weaken the entire steel structure of the tower? :eek:

Could it be purely co-incidence that despite the fact the fires in the WTC were supposedly hot enough to melt steel, one of the "terrorist's" passports was actually found on a nearby street, with no fire damage whatsoever?
 

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So going by those quotes below you are suggesting that the people who were killed, deserved it.
yes, it's not like some big angry fight started in 2001. to him it was retaliation for all the lives they've taken, he's defending his country and religion and people. what about the towers he mentioned being destroyed? that's not important cos the buildings were filled with "arabs who were probably terrorists"? or because we're not emotionally attached to those deaths cos we haven't seen the footage so much or because they don't speak english so we can't relate to them?

why do people look at america feeling so sorry for them.

"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." -Napoleon Bonaparte

but anyway, have people seen movies like loose change? and done a little research? maybe they can explain the lack of airplane sticking out of the pentagon or the grass in pennsylvania cos i'm not too sure where they've gone personally. i mean, i'd believe the hogwash american story that the airplane disintegrated compeltely but you know, i'm australian and i like to think for myself
 

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Could you imagine how suspect it would look if the towers just exploded and fell by themselves?

Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
No I have never thought about that because anyone who even considers such a thing should be locked up in an asylum.

I have never heard anything so stupid in all my life.

Lets fly planes into two of the most well known buildings in the world AS A DIVERSION to distract from blowing them up surreptitiously.

And you're a mod ?:eek:
 

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yes, it's not like some big angry fight started in 2001. to him it was retaliation for all the lives they've taken, he's defending his country and religion and people. what about the towers he mentioned being destroyed? that's not important cos the buildings were filled with "arabs who were probably terrorists"? or because we're not emotionally attached to those deaths cos we haven't seen the footage so much or because they don't speak english so we can't relate to them?

why do people look at america feeling so sorry for them.

"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." -Napoleon Bonaparte

but anyway, have people seen movies like loose change? and done a little research? maybe they can explain the lack of airplane sticking out of the pentagon or the grass in pennsylvania cos i'm not too sure where they've gone personally. i mean, i'd believe the hogwash american story that the airplane disintegrated compeltely but you know, i'm australian and i like to think for myself
Another stoner whose brains have been turned to mush.
 

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Do you really think those people would be able to look out the hole caused by the plane hitting the tower minutes after impact if the resultant fire burnt so hot that it was able to melt steel?
This is a very conveniently cropped picture.

Do tell why you have not posted the full photo?

Maybe because the full photo doesn't support your ridiculous theory?
 

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I find it incredibly humorous that the people making statements like "this is incredibly stupid" and "people who think that should be locked away in asylums" and "omg youre such a moron" are the ones supporting the O/S with such a blind faith fervor.

In reality, it's us on the fence or truthers who are justified in saying these things to the O/Sers given the amount of absolute mind-numbingly absurd and incorrect and scientifically invalid crap they parrot.
 

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I find it incredibly humorous that the people making statements like "this is incredibly stupid" and "people who think that should be locked away in asylums" and "omg youre such a moron" are the ones supporting the O/S with such a blind faith fervor.

In reality, it's us on the fence or truthers who are justified in saying these things to the O/Sers given the amount of absolute mind-numbingly absurd and incorrect and scientifically invalid crap they parrot.
What's more humorous is someone with the screen name "Daytripper" accusing others of being stoners. :p
 
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