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I posted in this thread a long time ago that one of the main reasons that O/S believers cite for their belief is an inherent incredulity that ANYONE from the US govt could possibly be complicit in a plan/plot/deception that resulted in the deaths of so many innocent Americans.

And yet, the same officials just months later started a war in Iraq on completely false pretenses and using intelligence that was totally trumped up which resulted directly in the deaths of over 4,000 US soldiers and the wounding of over 40,000 more.

Were these men and women not "innocent" Americans caught up in the scheming of those in power? The answer is so patently obviously a resounding YES. So how can one NOT imagine that similar forces might be responsible for - or at least complicit in - the deaths of those on 9/11?
 

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I posted in this thread a long time ago that one of the main reasons that O/S believers cite for their belief is an inherent incredulity that ANYONE from the US govt could possibly be complicit in a plan/plot/deception that resulted in the deaths of so many innocent Americans.

And yet, the same officials just months later started a war in Iraq on completely false pretenses and using intelligence that was totally trumped up which resulted directly in the deaths of over 4,000 US soldiers and the wounding of over 40,000 more.

Were these men and women not "innocent" Americans caught up in the scheming of those in power? The answer is so patently obviously a resounding YES. So how can one NOT imagine that similar forces might be responsible for - or at least complicit in - the deaths of those on 9/11?
You are really on another planet. No war is based on valid pretences. Again though you are using hypothetical instead of showing actual proof. What you are saying is that the US Government is likely responsible for all terrorist attacks on it's own people because it started a war based on incorrect information. I guess that makes every single country involved in World War 1 just as bad considering it was started over the assassination of Franz Ferdinand by rebels loyal to the Serbian leader which had **** all to do with the majority of the countries who ended up involved in the war.

Tell me genius, was this embassy bombing also the work of the US government? If not who was it?
 

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I didn't post the full photo as it wasn't as clear as the one I did post, but if you insist, here it is:

You might also have posted the photo that shows fires raging a little further up to the left. And you might also correct your misleading assertion that this was "minutes" after impact. In fact, this was minutes before the tower collapsed.

And why didn't you post the photo of this same woman in mid air, having jumped to her certain death, presumably because of the radiant heat and smoke?

You people are sick, seriously. You'll fabricate and doctor evidence to produce a misleading result, or at the very least, just swallow fabricated evidence to fuel your pre-conceived, bizarre theories.

And then, when real evidence, published and peer reviewed by experts, is put in front of your nose, you look the other way and stick your fingers in your ears.

Laughable.
 

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I'm going to perpetualise winty's latest contribution for this thread only.

Its even weirder than OldBluesFans theory of the missing Pentagon plane being diverted hundreds of miles off the US East Coast and being blown up into such tiny pieces that no trace of it has been seen again.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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You are really on another planet. No war is based on valid pretences. Again though you are using hypothetical instead of showing actual proof. What you are saying is that the US Government is likely responsible for all terrorist attacks on it's own people because it started a war based on incorrect information. I guess that makes every single country involved in World War 1 just as bad considering it was started over the assassination of Franz Ferdinand by rebels loyal to the Serbian leader which had **** all to do with the majority of the countries who ended up involved in the war.

Tell me genius, was this embassy bombing also the work of the US government? If not who was it?
You either lack any comprehension skills whatsoever, or you're a big fan of strawmen, either way, you're post doesn't merit a considered response.

Try reading my post again ... slowly, just to see if you can glean the point I was actually making.

Good luck.
 

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You either lack any comprehension skills whatsoever, or you're a big fan of strawmen, either way, you're post doesn't merit a considered response.

Try reading my post again ... slowly, just to see if you can glean the point I was actually making.

Good luck.
I've tried reading it again.
Its pure, unadulterated, paranoid dribble.

Stick with your missing plane theories.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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You are really on another planet. No war is based on valid pretences. Again though you are using hypothetical instead of showing actual proof. What you are saying is that the US Government is likely responsible for all terrorist attacks on it's own people because it started a war based on incorrect information. I guess that makes every single country involved in World War 1 just as bad considering it was started over the assassination of Franz Ferdinand by rebels loyal to the Serbian leader which had **** all to do with the majority of the countries who ended up involved in the war.

Tell me genius, was this embassy bombing also the work of the US government? If not who was it?
if i can speak for OBF - he's saying that people view america for what it is nowadays. people don't buy the propaganda that america is this fantastic land of freedom and opportunity anymore and why would we, smart humans, buy that crap after decades of myterious deaths and attacks and baseless invasions. they are searching for ultimate power that involves sending troops to countries that don't want it or need it or deserve it. if 4000 of them die for the cause - they wont care because that's how they are. if 3000 die in the trade centers and further their cause, they're not going to care about who those people are. remember, they made the necessary calls to higher ups that were going to be flying into new york that morning and made sure nobody 'of note' was in the building. look that up if you don't believe me. if you bothered to look this stuff up out of your own interest instead of looking it up to debunk people and win arguments you could learn something..
 

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I'm going to perpetualise winty's latest contribution for this thread only.

Its even weirder than OldBluesFans theory of the missing Pentagon plane being diverted hundreds of miles off the US East Coast and being blown up into such tiny pieces that no trace of it has been seen again.
I would reciprocate and perpetualise something you've posted in this thread that is even remotely related to the discussion at hand, but quite frankly, I couldn't find anything from you that fits that criteria.
 

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if i can speak for OBF - he's saying that people view america for what it is nowadays. people don't buy the propaganda that america is this fantastic land of freedom and opportunity anymore and why would we, smart humans, buy that crap after decades of myterious deaths and attacks and baseless invasions. they are searching for ultimate power that involves sending troops to countries that don't want it or need it or deserve it. if 4000 of them die for the cause - they wont care because that's how they are. if 3000 die in the trade centers and further their cause, they're not going to care about who those people are. remember, they made the necessary calls to higher ups that were going to be flying into new york that morning and made sure nobody 'of note' was in the building. look that up if you don't believe me. if you bothered to look this stuff up out of your own interest instead of looking it up to debunk people and win arguments you could learn something..
What a huge load of shit. So because I don't view America as a great innocent nation that must mean they planned 9/11... Total crap. Stop dancing around the topic you moron, state what you believe. Did they plan 9/11 if yes, post proof, saying that they started a war on false pretences does not mean they planned 9/11 - that is not proof. As I said before, every war is started on false pretences. I still want an answer about the 93 embassy bombings, who do you believe did that?

The only people who could connect the war in Iraq and Afghanistan as a sign that America would happily murder 3000 of its people are paranoid trolls who have a hatred for America and Government. Look at the evidence without any pre-conceived ideas how evil the USA is and you will see that they did not plan the attacks. The physical evidence and hundreds of witnesses tell me that the attack really was done by extremist terrorists out of hatred for the USA and their involvement overseas. The same people who blew up the embassy in 93, the same type of people who committed the London bombings - or was that a false flag event as well?
 

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I would reciprocate and perpetualise something you've posted in this thread that is even remotely related to the discussion at hand, but quite frankly, I couldn't find anything from you that fits that criteria.
Of course.
Anyway, keep on posting your theories. Its amusing.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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Carl Williams was a murderous prick, so he must have been involved.
No, couldn't have been.
Not Jewish or from established wealth.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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What a huge load of shit. So because I don't view America as a great innocent nation that must mean they planned 9/11... Total crap. Stop dancing around the topic you moron, state what you believe. Did they plan 9/11 if yes, post proof, saying that they started a war on false pretences does not mean they planned 9/11 - that is not proof. As I said before, every war is started on false pretences. I still want an answer about the 93 embassy bombings, who do you believe did that?

The only people who could connect the war in Iraq and Afghanistan as a sign that America would happily murder 3000 of its people are paranoid trolls who have a hatred for America and Government. Look at the evidence without any pre-conceived ideas how evil the USA is and you will see that they did not plan the attacks. The physical evidence and hundreds of witnesses tell me that the attack really was done by extremist terrorists out of hatred for the USA and their involvement overseas. The same people who blew up the embassy in 93, the same type of people who committed the London bombings - or was that a false flag event as well?
Wouldn't they be dead?
 

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Wouldn't they be dead?
Jesus - he doesn't mean literally 'the same people.'

Surely, that wasn't that hard to work out? :eek:

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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i'm not gonna do what you tell me to do and give you proof because you have an agenda. to you i'm already a moron and a paranoid troll who hates america and government but you don't even know me. others you don't know are "college dropouts"? lol. i'm not posting to convince anyone of anything just trying to open their minds because there are some hideously simple people in here. i don't have a selfish agenda where i think i'm the bees knees for believing something you don't so don't make assumptions. i know what people like you are like, writing off things you hear and read because "that person's probably X Y Z". the people have **** all to do with what they're trying to tell you. i personally don't care about intricately going through every second of 9/11 because it's a waste of time to convince someone that already believes what they want to believe, 25 pages here is enough to tell you that. I think it's got a lot to do with religion and I know a lot of people will die happy thinking "religion is a crock of shit!!! nothing to do with it wow off topic much@!!!". so you can see the task we have in knocking some sense into you people..
 

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i'm not gonna do what you tell me to do and give you proof because you have an agenda. to you i'm already a moron and a paranoid troll who hates america and government but you don't even know me. others you don't know are "college dropouts"? lol. i'm not posting to convince anyone of anything just trying to open their minds because there are some hideously simple people in here. i don't have a selfish agenda where i think i'm the bees knees for believing something you don't so don't make assumptions. i know what people like you are like, writing off things you hear and read because "that person's probably X Y Z". the people have **** all to do with what they're trying to tell you. i personally don't care about intricately going through every second of 9/11 because it's a waste of time to convince someone that already believes what they want to believe, 25 pages here is enough to tell you that. I think it's got a lot to do with religion and I know a lot of people will die happy thinking "religion is a crock of shit!!! nothing to do with it wow off topic much@!!!". so you can see the task we have in knocking some sense into you people..
Yep, this bloke ^^^ is certainly a truther.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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Groping for relevance I see Trippy ... run along now, the grown-ups are talking.
Hilarious.

Funny how the US Govt has managed to fool most of the intelligent people in the world, but not you eh? They couldn't fool you on this one could they? Only you and your mates can see through their cunning plan.

Is that because you are all grown up? :)
 

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Could it be purely co-incidence that they took flight lessons and were more than capable to turn and change the altitude of a plane?
More than capable my arse...YOU are full of shit.

Hani Hanjour, the man who, three weeks before September 11, attempted to rent a Cessna at an airfield in Maryland. Suspicious of his dubious 'pilot's license', officials at the airfield insisted he take a chaperoned test-flight before rental would be approved. He failed his test flight miserably. He could neither control, nor properly land the Cessna. In fact, the instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

So tell me slick, how is it that the official narrative of 9/11 asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot.


http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_14.htm

Ostrich:rolleyes:
 

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More than capable my arse...YOU are full of shit.

Hani Hanjour, the man who, three weeks before September 11, attempted to rent a Cessna at an airfield in Maryland. Suspicious of his dubious 'pilot's license', officials at the airfield insisted he take a chaperoned test-flight before rental would be approved. He failed his test flight miserably. He could neither control, nor properly land the Cessna. In fact, the instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all."

So tell me slick, how is it that the official narrative of 9/11 asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot.


http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_14.htm

Ostrich:rolleyes:
Firstly - he did not need to takeoff or land the plane. Again, this is something even a 5 year old should be able to comprehend.

Secondly, what exactly are you suggesting?
That there were no hijackers !!!!
That the planes magically crashed into the buildings by themselves !!!!!

Can you please advise us what happened if the hijackers were not flying the planes. After the hilarity of OBF's missing Pentagon plane theory and winty's exploding buildings theory, we are due for another crazy troother scenario.

So out with it.
Don't be shy.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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Hilarious.

Funny how the US Govt has managed to fool most of the intelligent people in the world, but not you eh? They couldn't fool you on this one could they? Only you and your mates can see through their cunning plan.

Is that because you are all grown up? :)
Of course, it would be too hard for you to read the thread and notice his constant references to "pot-heads", "drug addled brains", "morons" and other disparaging remarks that contribute nothing to the debate.

No, it's much more fun to immediately think that a poster is suggesting "you disagree with me, you musn't be a grown up!"

I think you're mistaking my comments with those of the typical O/S believer.
 

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Of course, it would be too hard for you to read the thread and notice his constant references to "pot-heads", "drug addled brains", "morons" and other disparaging remarks that contribute nothing to the debate.

No, it's much more fun to immediately think that a poster is suggesting "you disagree with me, you musn't be a grown up!"

I think you're mistaking my comments with those of the typical O/S believer.
Well what do you expect when we read some of the ludicrous things on this thread?

Honestly, has society got so PC that when someone suggests something that is ridiculously stupid, it cannot be called out as such.

You believe the Pentagon plane was diverted over the ocean and blown up into tiny little pieces never to be seen again. I'm sorry - that is just f**king stupid and I have no hesitation in calling you out for that.

And lets not forget that you are in fact accusing people such as GWB of mass murder on a shocking scale - based on nothing at all.

Yeah - thats okay though, isn't it.

You won't get any sympathy from me sunshine.

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Ever thought that the planes being flown into the towers were simply a diversion for what really brought the towers down, namely a controlled demolition? The plane strikes have simply been used as a scape goat to "explain" why the towers fell, even though it has been discussed at length that all the physics and related scientific evidence suggests the official story is a load of crap.
 

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And lets not forget that you are in fact accusing people such as GWB of mass murder on a shocking scale - based on nothing at all.

Yeah - thats okay though, isn't it.
So, are you now attempting to deny the fabrications that led to the Iraq war Trippy? Really? Cos if the deaths of over 4,000 Americans and at least half a million Iraqis isn't mass murder, I don't know what is.

You won't get any sympathy from me sunshine.
Over estimating the importance of one's opinion much?
 
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