Expansion Proposals for a Truly National AFL

[Tonatopia]

Chester City 1885-2010
Darwen 1870-2009


Accrington Stanley 1891-1966

Aldershot 1926-1992

Chester City 1885-2010

Darwen 1870-2009

Gateshead 1899-1973

Halifax Town 1911-2008

Hereford United 1924-2014

Macclesfield Town 1874-2020

Maidstone United 1897-1992

Rushden & Diamonds 1992-2011

Scarborough 1879-2007

Wimbeldon 1889-2004 (relocated despite protest from fans)
all say hello with countless others…

Ok.

So you mention 12 sides out of 100 English teams competing from Div1-5. that represents about 10% death rate.

Lets not talk about all the VFA/VFL clubs that have died, due to the AFL structure, buts lets just focus on the top league.

out of 18 sides, we have had Fitzroy and South Melbourne dissapear. 11% death rate.
And we currently have 2 clubs GWS and GC living on welfare, and NMFC on shaky ground under the current model.

And as I mentioned lets not talk about the countless VFA clubs that have died as a result of this 1 dimensional system.

Basically, if a club is well managed, it will find its level in a divisional structure, without being forced to fold/relocate.

 

[RedV3x]

did you read the article about Melbourne Knights listed above?

Look, I never read anything of yours because you cannot hold a reasonable debate.
People have humoured you and you have dissmissed them out of hand.

Australian Rules Football is NOT soccer.

 

[Kwality]

Lets not mention every soccer league in Europe.
But here, no, no way. We have been conditioned to think that it is impossible. After all, we are egalitarians.

No wonder Victoria is in such as bad way. We are rotting away.

That it doesnt work for the A-league says it all.

 

[Tonatopia]

That it doesnt work for the A-league says it all.

But, pro/rel worked for the NSL. And even as a minnow league compared to Aussie Rules.

 

[Tonatopia]

Look, I never read anything of yours because you cannot hold a reasonable debate.
People have humoured you and you have dissmissed them out of hand.

Australian Rules Football is NOT soccer.

ok bubbleboy.

You do realize the the VFL had a Division1 & 2, back in the day?

Victorian Football League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[terrybull]

Ok.

So you mention 12 sides out of 100 English teams competing from Div1-5. that represents about 10% death rate.

Lets not talk about all the VFA/VFL clubs that have died, due to the AFL structure, buts lets just focus on the top league.

out of 18 sides, we have had Fitzroy and South Melbourne dissapear. 11% death rate.
And we currently have 2 clubs GWS and GC living on welfare, and NMFC on shaky ground under the current model.

And as I mentioned lets not talk about the countless VFA clubs that have died as a result of this 1 dimensional system.

Basically, if a club is well managed, it will find its level in a divisional structure, without being forced to fold/relocate.

There are many more…

But the difference is that all these clubs had a chance to play in the top tier, not like the VFA and other Leagues. You keep mentioning that pro/reg will keep clubs alive, which is not true.

Established AFL clubs will over spend too much to remain in highest division while lower clubs will be tempted to go over budget to go higher.

Think of it as that majority of big lotto winners go bankrupt in a few years because they can’t handle their new life style…

 

[Kwality]

But, pro/rel worked for the NSL. And even as a minnow league compared to Aussie Rules.

Did it work ? Pre the Glory I didnt follow the NSL.

 

[Tonatopia]

Did it work ? Pre the Glory I didnt follow the NSL.

In Melbourne it was passionately followed.

National Soccer League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[big_e]

But, pro/rel worked for the NSL. And even as a minnow league compared to Aussie Rules.

In which years did the NSL have promotion and relegation?

 

[The_Wookie]

But, pro/rel worked for the NSL. And even as a minnow league compared to Aussie Rules.

the NSL never had pro-rel. It had conferences for a very brief period, but for most of its life was a single division.

 

[robbieando]

In which years did the NSL have promotion and relegation?

They never had Promotion or Relegation. If a club failed at the NSL level they either went back to their State League system or went defunct, similar to how Fitzroy went back to the VAFA.

 

[Tonatopia]

In which years did the NSL have promotion and relegation?

Im not a soccer fan. But friends of mine are.
I was mistaken about the NSL, as they were talking about the NPL.

National Premier Leagues Victoria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Blackas87]

Accrington Stanley 1891-1966

Aldershot 1926-1992

Chester City 1885-2010

Darwen 1870-2009

Gateshead 1899-1973

Halifax Town 1911-2008

Hereford United 1924-2014

Macclesfield Town 1874-2020

Maidstone United 1897-1992

Rushden & Diamonds 1992-2011

Scarborough 1879-2007

Wimbeldon 1889-2004 (relocated despite protest from fans)

all say hello with countless others…

Difference is All those clubs had other clubs founded by fans to continue on and follow and were able to enter somewhere in the Pyramid and earn their way back to where they once were.

Can South Melbourne and Fitzroy fans see their club back to where they once were?

-Accrington Stanley fc was founded 2 years after the original Accrington Stanley fc was dissolved

-Aldershot Town was founded 1992 after Aldershot FC dissolved

-Chester FC founded 2010 after Chester City dissolved

-AFC Darwen formed 2009 replaced Darwen FC

-Gateshead FC founded 1977 replaced Gateshead United

-FC Halifax Town founded 2008 after Halifax Town FC dissolved

-Hereford FC founded 2014 replaced Hereford United

-Macclesfield FC founded oct 13 2020 replaced the original club.

-Maidstone United FC 1992 replaced the original club

-ACF Rushden and Diamonds founded 2011 replaced Rushden and Diamonds fc

-Scarborough Athletic fc founded 2007 after Scarborough FC dissolved

-AFC Wimboldon was formed in 2002 after Wimboldon Fc moved to Milton Keynes

 

[big_e]

Im not a soccer fan. But friends of mine are.
I was mistaken about the NSL, as I they were talking about the NPL.

National Premier Leagues Victoria - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OK, so it's never worked in elite sport in Australia.

 

[Tonatopia]

OK, so it's never worked in elite sport in Australia.

Id say Aussie Rules and Rugby League are the elite sports in Australia.
And I think Pro/Rel is the only way to create a Truly National AFL, unless you want a 22-24 team competition with conferences or 10-12 finals contenders.

 

[Kwality]

In Melbourne it was passionately followed.

National Soccer League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jogs my memory ...

 

[RedV3x]

You do realize the the VFL had a Division1 & 2, back in the day?

Victorian Football League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That reference shows the VFA with divisions yfi.

 

[RedV3x]

Id say Aussie Rules and Rugby League are the elite sports in Australia.

And " OK, so it's never worked in elite sport in Australia"

 

[Blackas87]

Subi won the last WAFL flag before the Eagles were formed. Subi is a district based club not a contender for a national club.

Victoria knew it had a problem with too many clubs, it still does.

Wanting change is well & good, understanding how we got where we are is important when contemplating change.

Who says Subi isn’t a contender for a national club?

 

[Tonatopia]

And " OK, so it's never worked in elite sport in Australia"

It has never been tried.

 

[RedV3x]

It has never been tried.

And " OK, so it's never worked in elite sport in Australia"

 

[Roylion]

out of 18 sides, we have had Fitzroy and South Melbourne dissapear. 11% death rate.

South Melbourne went to Sydney
Fitzroy moved to the VAFA
University moved to the VAFA

And we currently have 2 clubs GWS and GC living on welfare, and NMFC on shaky ground under the current model.

Why is North on 'shaky ground'?

 

[Kwality]

Who says Subi isn’t a contender for a national club?

Me, we were not in shape for the 87 gig & like all WAFL clubs 'on the tit' of the WAFC funding, that includes the Dockers\Eagles royalty.
Hardly your typical AFL club, with a junior development role & a 'real zone' including the WA Goldfields.

 

[Kwality]

Id say Aussie Rules and Rugby League are the elite sports in Australia.
And I think Pro/Rel is the only way to create a Truly National AFL, unless you want a 22-24 team competition with conferences or 10-12 finals contenders.

Professional not elite in my view, providing content to the media.

Origin is elite, see its ratings.

 

[Tonatopia]

Why is North on 'shaky ground'?

If the funding from Tasmania dries up, I suggest they'd start to struggle without AFL funding.