Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace

[MelbourneGWS]

Go the other way, just start from 1990.

Although that’s when the VFL officially changed their name to AFL, it was still a continuation of the VFL that was formed in 1897, with interstate teams from Queensland, WA and SA?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Geez, wouldn’t want to make that comparison for first class cricket.

EVERYONE played English County Cricket for a while there.
Dont tell me we should consider English first class achievements to be a higher quality than Australian first class achievements over that time?
id rather get a Crows membership.

The trouble is with the County cricket comparison, there are 18 first class counties. In Australia and most other countries you have 6-8 first class teams. So the influx of 20-30 odd quality cricketers per season was never going to raise county cricket above the level of Australia first class cricket.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

The football probably weighed a few kgs.

What surprised me too is that in the early days there were different sets of rules. The 'Geelong rules' and the 'Melbourne Rules'. I wonder what it was like in SA and WA?

I thought it was the Rules of the Melbourne Football Club that was the basis of our Australian Rules Football?

 

[kickazz]

There was no flag, no grand final, no finals and no declaration of a best team apart from the equivalent of Robbo or Tom Brown saying it.

1878 there was an official play off match against Melbourne.
1879 only undefeated side
1880 a bit dodgy, but still probably the best
1882 ten wins, one loss. Cleary better than everyone else.
1883 the most dubious of the lot, South a bit stiff perhaps
1884 Most wins despite fewer proper games than all others (except the spooners Willy). Clearly the best side.
1886 Along with South, clearly the best. Only one loss between the two, when the Pivotonians beat the Blood Stained Angels comfortably in a de facto final.

So a bit more than just Robbo picking a team. 1883 maybe Gerard Whateley was on the panel.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

1878 there was an official play off match against Melbourne.
1879 only undefeated side
1880 a bit dodgy, but still probably the best
1882 ten wins, one loss. Cleary better than everyone else.
1883 the most dubious of the lot, South a bit stiff perhaps
1884 Most wins despite fewer proper games than all others (except the spooners Willy). Clearly the best side.
1886 Along with South, clearly the best. Only one loss between the two, when the Pivotonians beat the Blood Stained Angels comfortably in a de facto final.

So a bit more than just Robbo picking a team. 1883 maybe Gerard Whateley was on the panel.

Mate it's all happenning over on Bay 13 on the Colin Carter tribute song thread, see you there.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Is it no surprise that after a official VFA premiership was introduced Geelong could not win one

 

[STPer18]

17 flags and based on 2007-2022 we're showing no signs of slowing down.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Is it no surprise that after a official VFA premiership was introduced Geelong could not win one

Games back then we're not even league fixtures.
They were effectively pick-up games between anyone called a "club"
Wouldn't be surprised if half geelongs games were against a side from castlemaine

 

[Captain_Bender]

Games back then we're not even league fixtures.
They were effectively pick-up games between anyone called a "club"
Wouldn't be surprised if half geelongs games were against a side from castlemaine

It took them until 1925 to win their first official flag, 1859-1925 how bad does your club need to be to have a premiership drought that long

 

[BF Tiger]

Back in the 1890s Geelong were part of the cabal that decided the VFA wasn’t for them, and they should break away and form a new better league.

Now they’re wanting to embrace what was won in that same VFA that wasn’t good enough for them, as the equivalent of the new better league that they moved to form.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Back in the 1890s Geelong were part of the cabal that decided the VFA wasn’t for them, and they should break away and form a new better league.

Now they’re wanting to embrace what was won in that same VFA that wasn’t good enough for them, as the equivalent of the new better league that they moved to form.

Imagine having a expansion club such as Richmond win multiple premierships before a foundation club even won their first

 

[STPer18]

Wow, seven premierships in nine years - we are amazing. History is fun, who woulda thunk it?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Port Adelaide, Norwood, East Fremantle and West Perth are the highest performing 1st tier football clubs in Austalin Rules football history.
That the AfL dont acknowledge this has never made sense To me.

 

[Noidnadroj]

If anyone can be bothered I’d be interested to see a ‘ratio’ of flags. Years in the VFL/AFL divided by flags.

For example, Geelong would be:
125/10 = 12.5

Richmond:
114/13 = 8.77

Eagles:
35/4 = 8.7

Pies:
125/15 = 8.33

Fitzroy:
99/8 = 12.38 (marginally better strike rate than Cats)

And so on.




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[beema limapep]

Don’t cringe, embrace.

Richmond are an amazing club, who in their own right have done incredible things. They just haven’t won 17 flags like Geelong.

I have embraced - as I said, the AFL should lower the bar and recognise them for you given how insecure the club is without them.

It will be hilarious!

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

I thought I'd remind you guys we won the 2022 flag and all your teams suck, especially Richmond and Collingwood. Let's MAKE IT 18 BABY!!!!!

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Back in the 1890s Geelong were part of the cabal that decided the VFA wasn’t for them, and they should break away and form a new better league.

Now they’re wanting to embrace what was won in that same VFA that wasn’t good enough for them, as the equivalent of the new better league that they moved to form.

They didn't win anything in the VFA anyway, there were no grand finals and no winner of the league. The only thing Carter is going on is what a journalist said.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Port Adelaide, Norwood, East Fremantle and West Perth are the highest performing 1st tier football clubs in Austalin Rules football history.
That the AfL dont acknowledge this has never made sense To me.

Because the history of the sport should not be in the hands of the AFL competition.
They are atrocious custodians of the sport of Australian Rules Football.
That they are abusing that privilege and corruptly promoting its own history at the expense of the sports history, is plainly sad.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

The trouble is with the County cricket comparison, there are 18 first class counties. In Australia and most other countries you have 6-8 first class teams. So the influx of 20-30 odd quality cricketers per season was never going to raise county cricket above the level of Australia first class cricket.

But the premise was that that most of the best players went to Victoria so it must have been the best.
I'm just using that analogy.

 

[PhatBoy]

No, I'm more embarrassed for Geelong supporters to be honest. Have some dignity.

Yes because we all co-authored this book

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Yes because we all co-authored this book

A decision was made 125 years ago about what counted as a premiership and those men knew more and had more info than fuddy old Colin, who is a lone voice trying to sell a book.

 

[PhatBoy]

A decision was made 125 years ago about what counted as a premiership and those men knew more and had more info than fuddy old Colin, who is a lone voice trying to sell a book.

So why is it ‘Geelong supporters’ who need to have some dignity

Are we all Colin carter?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

So why is it ‘Geelong supporters’ who need to have some dignity

Are we all Colin carter?

Every Geelong supporter I've seen posting agrees with Colin, and wants the 'premierships' added.

 

[ClintEastwood]

1878 there was an official play off match against Melbourne.
1879 only undefeated side
1880 a bit dodgy, but still probably the best
1882 ten wins, one loss. Cleary better than everyone else.
1883 the most dubious of the lot, South a bit stiff perhaps
1884 Most wins despite fewer proper games than all others (except the spooners Willy). Clearly the best side.
1886 Along with South, clearly the best. Only one loss between the two, when the Pivotonians beat the Blood Stained Angels comfortably in a de facto final.

So a bit more than just Robbo picking a team. 1883 maybe Gerard Whateley was on the panel.

I will just leave these Port Adelaide Champions of Australia records here too.

Year Champion Score Runner-up Score Venue
1890 Port Adelaide 7.10 South Melbourne 6.13 Adelaide Oval
1910 Port Adelaide 15.20 (110) Collingwood 7.9 (51) Adelaide Oval
1913 Port Adelaide 13.16 (94) Fitzroy 4.7 (31) Adelaide Oval
1914 Port Adelaide 9.16 (70) Carlton 5.6 (36) Adelaide Oval

 

[ClintEastwood]

Port Adelaide, Norwood, East Fremantle and West Perth are the highest performing 1st tier football clubs in Austalin Rules football history.
That the AfL dont acknowledge this has never made sense To me.

It makes sense, because Victorian parochiality is legendary.