Expansion Proposals for a Truly National AFL

[Roylion]

The Club is OK financially at present

So won't be going anywhere.

Debt free, profitable, record membership in 2022, $17 million pumped into their training and administration base in the last four years.

North will be around - in Melbourne and in their own right - for a long time yet.

but few of their fans/members bother to go to games anymore. Their on field future is bleak.

With the cyclical nature of teams’ fortunes, aitded by the AFL's equalisation policies, there’s a good enough chance it will be North's turn in the upper reaches of the ladder soon enough.

The media drama at North is symptomatic of the over-analysis and hyperbole of many in the football media these days. Someone has to be on the bottom of the ladder. At the moment its North Melbourne, a couple of seasons from now it'll be another club.

The AFL has been set up to be cyclical. Onfield will turn for the better for North. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.

There may come a time when other teams boycott them to force them out.

Don't think so. On what grounds?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

So won't be going anywhere.

Debt free, profitable, record membership in 2022, $17 million pumped into their training and administration base in the last four years.

North will be around - in Melbourne and in their own right - for a long time yet.




With the cyclical nature of teams’ fortunes, aitded by the AFL's equalisation policies, there’s a good enough chance it will be North's turn in the upper reaches of the ladder soon enough.



Don't think so. On what grounds?

Distorts the Comp.

Maximum 18 teams already dilutes the talent across the Comp.

Suspect there is more support for Tas than retention of North.

I see no basis for the wheel turning for North, beyond it being crushed.

Any talent there will be tempted to get out.

 

[Roylion]

Distorts the Comp.

Rubbish.

Maximum 18 teams already dilutes the talent across the Comp.

Diluting talent is a total myth.

The "dilution of talent" argument against expansion is inane.

You'd think with Australia's population projected to have an extra 14 million people by 2050 there would be surely be at least another 80 players of a talent commensurate with that of current existing AFL talent to fill at least two extra teams.

Even players are buying into the great AFL expansion myth. This is why they’re wrong

The BIG problem with AFL’s great expansion myth

www.foxsports.com.au

Has the AFL’s talent pool become more diluted over time?

When discussion of recent or future AFL expansion arises, it is often followed by claims from various pundits claim that the addition of extra teams impacts on the quality of football by spreading …

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Suspect there is more support for Tas than retention of North.

And what do you base that on?

I see no basis for the wheel turning for North, beyond it being crushed.

The AFL has been set up to be cyclical. Onfield will turn for the better for North. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.

Any talent there will be tempted to get out.

It will turn around for them. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Rubbish.



Diluting talent is a total myth.

The "dilution of talent" argument against expansion is inane. And whether you likely it or not part of it is population.

You'd think with Australia's population projected to have an extra 14 million people by 2050 there would be surely be at least another 80 players of a talent commensurate with that of current existing AFL talent to fill at least two extra teams.

Even players are buying into the great AFL expansion myth. This is why they’re wrong

The BIG problem with AFL’s great expansion myth

www.foxsports.com.au

Has the AFL’s talent pool become more diluted over time?

When discussion of recent or future AFL expansion arises, it is often followed by claims from various pundits claim that the addition of extra teams impacts on the quality of football by spreading …

www.hpnfooty.com

And what do you base that on?



The AFL has been set up to be cyclical. Onfield will turn for the better for North. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.



It will turn around for them. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.

Rubbish. The Blues and Dons always had significant support.

I am curious about how a boycott of North would work. They have negligible public support or I suspect from other teams in the Comp.

 

[Roylion]

Rubbish. The Blues and Dons always had significant support.

North have record membership while they are on the bottom of the ladder.

North Melbourne sets new membership record

The club’s 50,000 membership target is within reach for the first time in its 153-year history

www.nmfc.com.au

Onfield it will turn around for North Melbourne. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.

I am curious about how a boycott of North would work. They have negligible public support or I suspect from other teams in the Comp.

Keep on fantasising.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

North have record membership while they are on the bottom of the ladder.

North Melbourne sets new membership record

The club’s 50,000 membership target is within reach for the first time in its 153-year history

www.nmfc.com.au

Onfield it will turn around for North Melbourne. Just like it has for Gold Coast, Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and all the other clubs that have been at or close to the bottom of the ladder in the last few years.




Keep on fantasising.

That is what you are doing.

 

[Roylion]

That is what you are doing.

What I've presented are all facts.

Here they are again for you.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

None of which you've refuted.

And all you offer is some ridiculous fantasy about a North 'boycott'.

 

[RedV3x]

North does not offer the comp money.

It offers more being in the AFL than out. North is still a significant club.

The Club is OK financially at present but few of their fans/members bother to go to games anymore. Their on field future is bleak.

Like any club it depends on onfield success. North actually have reasonably support around the country.

North's existence distorts the Comp. There may come a time when other teams boycott them to force them out.

Any low-drawing club experiencing a run of poor form tends to do that.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

What I've presented are all facts.

Here they are again for you.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

None of which you've refuted.

And all you offer is some ridiculous fantasy about a North 'boycott'.

Even North members don't bother to turn up.

I doubt there is any support for North amon the other 17 teams,

 

[Roylion]

Even North members don't bother to turn up.

Crowds fall when teams are at the bottom of the ladder. Stop the presses!

I doubt there is any support for North amon the other 17 teams,

Support for what?

 

[madmug]

North does not offer the comp money.

The Club is OK financially at present but few of their fans/members bother to go to games anymore. Their on field future is bleak.

North's existence distorts the Comp. There may come a time when other teams boycott them to force them out.

Success is a swings & roundabouts thing. The draft will ensure a flow of fresh meat to the club. So thats not an issue.

Financially they are ok at present. The efforts to push them to Tassie were disingenuous or cynical at best,

The Loss of the Tassie money will be a worry but they should be able to survive. I'd think the AFL would be concerned of they rely on large AFL handouts for too long. Maybe some games in Darwin or Albury/Wodonga is an option?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Crowds fall when teams are at the bottom of the ladder. Stop the presses!



Support for what?

Their continuation.

Given a choice between Tassie and North, I expect most fans would support Tassie.

 

[madmug]

Even North members don't bother to turn up.

I doubt there is any support for North amon the other 17 teams,

As long as they buy a membership. thats what matters to clubs survival.

 

[Roylion]

Their continuation.

It's not even an issue.

Here are the facts again.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

North's "continuation" is not on the agenda. They'll be around for a long time.

Given a choice between Tassie and North, I expect most fans would support Tassie.

Another unsubstantiated claim by you. Don't confuse your opinion/agenda with what you think most "fans" would want.

And in any case what have fans got to do with it?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

It's not even an issue.

Here are the facts again.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

North's "continuation" is not on the agenda. They'll be around for a long time.



Another unsubstantiated claim by you. Don't confuse your opinion/agenda with what you think most "fans" would want.

And in any case what have fans got to do with it?

I said "expect' wally.

 

[Roylion]

I said "expect' wally.

As I said, just another unsubstantiated claim. You've got no idea really. Don't confuse your opinion/agenda with what you "expect" most "fans" would want.

Tell me about the "boycott" against North again. I need another good laugh.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

As I said, just another unsubstantiated claim. You've got no idea really. Don't confuse your opinion/agenda with what you "expect" most "fans" would want.

Tell me about the "boycott" against North again. I need another good laugh.

Clubs should simply refuse to play against them in 2023.

 

[Roylion]

Clubs should simply refuse to play against them in 2023.

It's pure fantasy. You're spouting utter tripe.

I can see why you ignore facts and still make outlandish claims that somehow that North leaving the competition is on the agenda and they lack support from the clubs.

Here are the facts again. Read them a few times until it sinks in.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

 

[Engimal v3]

Clubs should simply refuse to play against them in 2023.

Oh come on you pelican lol
Does Roylion need to spoonfeed you again?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

It's pure fantasy. You're spouting utter tripe.

I can see why you ignore facts and still make outlandish claims that somehow that North leaving the competition is on the agenda and they lack support from the clubs.

Here are the facts again. Read them a few times until it sinks in.

Debt-free. √
Profit of $819,000 on revenue of $39,268,000 in 2021 √
Record membership in 2022. √
$17 million spent on training and administration base at Arden Street between 2018-2022. √

Facts- waste of money.

Do you agree people would prefer a stand alone Tassy stand alone team - no relocation of North?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

What are North's sources of support?

 

[Roylion]

Do you agree people would prefer a stand alone Tassy stand alone team - no relocation of North?

No idea.

However if Tasmania team enters it'll be as a 19th club. North Melbourne aren't going anywhere.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

No idea.

However if Tasmania team enters it'll be as a 19th club. North Melbourne aren't going anywhere.

Nice to see some insight from you.

 

[Roylion]

What are North's sources of support?

Go and read their 2021 financial report. It's readily available online

 

[Roylion]

Nice to see some insight from you.

I've been saying this all along.

Let's deal in facts rather than the usual unsubstantiated rubbish you come out with.

Why would North Melbourne relocate? They're in absolutely no danger of becoming bankrupt, they have a substantial training and admin base in Melbourne which has been updated to the tune of $17 million over the past four years. They have record membership in 2022 and will possibly break 50,000 members for the first time in the next couple of years - if not this year.

Eddie McGuire can spout on all he likes about his grand plan to relocate North Melbourne to Tasmania, but its not going to happen.