Proposed new Hobart stadium - Macquarie Point

BobbyMorri

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Why? This isn't Melbourne where it takes significant time to get from the city to the outskirts. Does it make that much difference driving 10 minutes to get to TCA or Bellerive or South Hobart?
Agreed. Bellerive is one such great training site. Near the beach, along the seaside and near some of the richest places in Hobart (Tranmere).
Excellent rant! And yeah, I know what you mean by the problem of self-serving, power tripping inner city greenie counsellors, who are universally useless at anything apart from the opportunities to be obstructive if not destructive. And don't get me started on the lemming who votes these loons in!

But in regards to this stadium, surely for an important project of this size, it would be a matter for the State Gov't to make the decisions and the local council would have little say in the matter. And as long as the project has overall statewide (or at least from Greater Hobart Area) popular support, the usual objections from the usual inner city BANANA suspects would be overcome - even more so when the State Gov't and Premier has now come out so publicly in the support of the AFL bid.
Yes, the state government could take over if(when) the Hobart City council do their normal songsheet. They have shown a willingness to take on the council on big issues(like the Cable Car). But then perhaps another issue comes up. Some people from the North would hate that money being spent on another "southern" stadium.

But it was touching to see the 3 major newspapers proclaim loyalty.
 

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Excellent rant! And yeah, I know what you mean by the problem of self-serving, power tripping inner city greenie counsellors, who are universally useless at anything apart from the opportunities to be obstructive if not destructive. And don't get me started on the lemming who votes these loons in!
I vote Greens, watch footy, supported the building of Perth stadium and support the push for a Tassie team. Don't lump everybody into your narrow outlook.
 

JohnZ

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Why? This isn't Melbourne where it takes significant time to get from the city to the outskirts. Does it make that much difference driving 10 minutes to get to TCA or Bellerive or South Hobart?
Macquaire point is like Melbourne's docklands 20 years ago. Prime for redevelopment a massive anchor tenant.

Look at the difference in crowds between Football Park and Adelaide Oval for the difference Bellreive and MP oval would make. Closer to the CBD means better PT access from all parts of the city, better hospitality and accommodation facilities near by. The economic benefit to Hobart's CBD would be massive in comparison.
 

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Macquaire point is like Melbourne's docklands 20 years ago. Prime for redevelopment a massive anchor tenant.

Look at the difference in crowds between Football Park and Adelaide Oval for the difference Bellreive and MP oval would make. Closer to the CBD means better PT access from all parts of the city, better hospitality and accommodation facilities near by. The economic benefit to Hobart's CBD would be massive in comparison.
I'm sure all you say is true. But the context that my comment was in, was in reference to someone suggesting putting the training facility at Macquarie Point also would be a drawcard for players. That's what I'm questioning, not the stadium itself. Docklands doesn't have any club training facilities either.
 

JohnZ

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I'm sure all you say is true. But the context that my comment was in, was in reference to someone suggesting putting the training facility at Macquarie Point also would be a drawcard for players. That's what I'm questioning, not the stadium itself. Docklands doesn't have any club training facilities either.
Must have misunderstood. Thought you were discussing the merits of a CBD based stadium.
 

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Macquaire point is like Melbourne's docklands 20 years ago. Prime for redevelopment a massive anchor tenant.

Look at the difference in crowds between Football Park and Adelaide Oval for the difference Bellreive and MP oval would make. Closer to the CBD means better PT access from all parts of the city, better hospitality and accommodation facilities near by. The economic benefit to Hobart's CBD would be massive in comparison.
It's a bit different because Hobart's PT system consists of a few buses and that's it. You can run buses to anywhere. Adelaide actually has a suburban rail network (albeit a bit of a shit one, but it's still capable of moving a lot of people in and out quickly).
That's not to say it wouldn't provide a significant benefit to the CBD and Hobart as a whole - as you say, being in close proximity to accommodation and bars/restaurants is a big selling point to visitors. No-one wants to stay in the city and have to get a bus out to the suburbs. The economic benefits to the CBD itself also come from getting 20k or so people in, a lot of whom would spend a few hours before/after in CBD establishments. The other thing is that such a project can change people's outlook - they can go from being BANANAs to thinking 'hey maybe there's some benefit to this development stuff'. Not everyone of course, but you can shift a big chunk of the population.
I know because i've seen it in Perth. There's been a big shift in thinking that's come from the government undertaking significant infrastructure projects like the Airport link, Elizabeth quay and of course the new stadium. The haters come out before it's even built, but as soon as they're up and going you never hear anything but positive comments. Rarely do you hear "Gee, they really should never have built that" about any bit of major infrastructure once it's completed. It just requires a government with a bit of balls.
 

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I was replying to stadiums are for attendances rather than player training.
Perhaps next time if you read the full sentence instead of cutting out part of it to meet your need to be right, you won't look foolish.

BF is not a place for massaging insecure peoples feelings.
It's not a place for people who are incapable of reading, either.
 

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Don't forget Perth and Adelaide host 2 AFL teams, plus they host BBL, test and ODI cricket.

If Tassie gets one AFL team that halves potential AFL revenue, then they'd have to persuade cricket to leave Bellrieve and move to the new stadium too. Lots of opportunity for petty politics there.

Also, the Tassie government is perpetually broke, so they won't have the money to build it alone like the WA government did. They would need Federal money or a private development. Tassie's track record on private development is abysmal, they can't seem to do anything in private developments without it involving corruption or becoming mired in petty politics.
Bit harsh singling out the Tassie government for corruption in carrying out major projects! On another point, given there would normally be only one game a fortnight, would it really be necessary to have a separate training oval.
 

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Bit harsh singling out the Tassie government for corruption in carrying out major projects! On another point, given there would normally be only one game a fortnight, would it really be necessary to have a separate training oval.
One game a month if games split between hobart and launceston
 

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Bit harsh singling out the Tassie government for corruption in carrying out major projects! On another point, given there would normally be only one game a fortnight, would it really be necessary to have a separate training oval.
Presumably it would host cricket as well, which would mean that the club would have to find somewhere else to train during cricket season. And if they're going to have a training venue in summer, they may as well fit it out for the whole year.

The Suns and Geelong get away with it because Metricon and KP doesn't host cricket (much of it anyway) and there's a 2nd oval next door. Looking at Macquarie point, there probably isn't the room for a 2nd oval.
 

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It's a bit different because Hobart's PT system consists of a few buses and that's it. You can run buses to anywhere. Adelaide actually has a suburban rail network (albeit a bit of a s**t one, but it's still capable of moving a lot of people in and out quickly).
That's not to say it wouldn't provide a significant benefit to the CBD and Hobart as a whole - as you say, being in close proximity to accommodation and bars/restaurants is a big selling point to visitors. No-one wants to stay in the city and have to get a bus out to the suburbs. The economic benefits to the CBD itself also come from getting 20k or so people in, a lot of whom would spend a few hours before/after in CBD establishments. The other thing is that such a project can change people's outlook - they can go from being BANANAs to thinking 'hey maybe there's some benefit to this development stuff'. Not everyone of course, but you can shift a big chunk of the population.
I know because i've seen it in Perth. There's been a big shift in thinking that's come from the government undertaking significant infrastructure projects like the Airport link, Elizabeth quay and of course the new stadium. The haters come out before it's even built, but as soon as they're up and going you never hear anything but positive comments. Rarely do you hear "Gee, they really should never have built that" about any bit of major infrastructure once it's completed. It just requires a government with a bit of balls.
The Macquarie Point location would be ideal... the addition of the light rail proposal for the Northern suburbs of Hobart and the ability to change lanes on the Tasman bridge for the Eastern Shore ( 3 lanes out of the city for example), with the addition of utilising the Domain for Parking plus ferries on the River after the games sure would beat the congestion of Bellerive
 

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The thing about this is that, regardless of what it cost, it would also require a major redesign of the roads. I haven't been to Hobart for about 5-6 years, but spent a lot of time there growing up and for all the congestion in places like Melbourne and Sydney - that ******* roundabout outside the ABC building is among the worst pieces of road in Australia.

Unless you don't put any parking in at all, which is unrealistic in a place like Tassie due to it's rubbish public transport reliant buses with limited routes that people don't want to catch.

I like the idea - I doubt Macquarie Point is the right location though.
 

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The thing about this is that, regardless of what it cost, it would also require a major redesign of the roads. I haven't been to Hobart for about 5-6 years, but spent a lot of time there growing up and for all the congestion in places like Melbourne and Sydney - that ******* roundabout outside the ABC building is among the worst pieces of road in Australia.

Unless you don't put any parking in at all, which is unrealistic in a place like Tassie due to it's rubbish public transport reliant buses with limited routes that people don't want to catch.

I like the idea - I doubt Macquarie Point is the right location though.

agree re the traffic

plus imagine the fu**en wind off the water
 

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The thing about this is that, regardless of what it cost, it would also require a major redesign of the roads. I haven't been to Hobart for about 5-6 years, but spent a lot of time there growing up and for all the congestion in places like Melbourne and Sydney - that ******* roundabout outside the ABC building is among the worst pieces of road in Australia.

Unless you don't put any parking in at all, which is unrealistic in a place like Tassie due to it's rubbish public transport reliant buses with limited routes that people don't want to catch.

I like the idea - I doubt Macquarie Point is the right location though.
Sounds like they need the light rail badly, and in more places than the proposal on the table. The inability to get even one line built doesn't say a lot for Tassie's ability to get their act together.
 

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