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I'm Jett Buckley
I’ll take that as a “I don’t actually know.”
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I'm Jett Buckley
You’re right.Surely it’s 8 premierships in 6 years. Don’t discount greatness re!
Phillips is stapled into the best 22. It’s not even a discussion point.
Quite a few people leaving out Mayne. He was just about our best in the GF so I can't see this happening.
Fair enough I suppose but I think a lot of us are still clinging onto memories of the past.I dig what you’re trying to say about rewarding those who are durable and consistent and have come through VFL such as Mayne and Varcoe but Elliott is simply too good to not play if he’s fit. He’s not coming from a long way back - it’s December and he’s already training very strongly.
Is Elliott selfish? Is he going to have impaired running ability? Granted he seemed to have lost much of his freakish aerial ability when he last played, but I am not so sure about his loss of running ability or forward line pressure. Not saying you are wrong - rather suggesting that I don't know.Fair enough I suppose but I think a lot of us are still clinging onto memories of the past.
In 2018, the reason for our ascension up the ladder imo is mainly due to having a functional forward line with everyone but Cox applying immense tackling pressure inside 50.
This is becoming more and more important nowadays, with Daniel Menzel, someone who’s very similar to Jamie elliot in terms of talent, durability and style if you think about it, being overlooked by every AFL team except for Sydney.
Now after another few seasons of injury, the talented but selfish Elliot we saw will have his deficiencies exacerbated further with impaired running ability.
Look I’d be happy to experiment with the likes of Elliot in the earlier rounds, but with the way our teams lineup is shaping up, if finals are played tomorrow there is no way I’d play Elliot ahead of Mayne/Varcoe or anyone else listed in my team.
While it's a long way out from R1 and there'll be other players who stake a claim during preseason, I'm not as convinced Phillips is such a lock in the 22. Look at the team named in the OP
B: Brayden Maynard, Lynden Dunn, Tom Langdon
HB: Jeremy Howe, Darcy Moore, Jack Crisp
C: Steele Sidebottom, Scott Pendlebury, Taylor Adams
HF: Will Hoskin-Elliott, Brody Mihocek, Jaidyn Stephenson
F: Jordan De Goey, Mason Cox, Jamie Elliott
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Dayne Beams, Adam Treloar
I/C: Travis Varcoe, Daniel Wells, Brayden Sier, Josh Thomas
If anything, it's a 7th defensive option short. That role will likely go to Appleby, IQ, Aish, T Brown or Murphy. At a stretch say Mayne. So you need to find a spot on the bench for 1 of them. Likely at the expense of 1 of the small forwards rather than a forward/mid rotation type. For the sake of the discussion lets say Wells not ready to assume a midfield role R1 so swap him for Appleby. Phillips isn't even in the discussion, especially with the 6-6-6 configurations.
Your starting midfield is Grundy, Pendles, Adams, Sidey, Beams, and Treloar. I can't see Phillips pushing any of them out of the side.
Your starting small forwards are WHE, Stephenson, and Elliott. He's not pushing any of them out of the side either.
That means he's competing with Varcoe, Sier or Thomas for a spot on the bench. I'm sure people could make an equally compelling case for any of the 4 but 1 of them will have to miss. Sier's the only other genuine mid so I can't see him going. Varcoe is important for that forward pressure. Thomas can genuinely play as a small forward and still offers a strong midfield rotation. Phillips is best suited to a wing with only limited flexibility. Team balance and versatility, Phillips remains among the emergencies for mine.
I reckon the Mihocek v Reid and the Dunn v Roughead discussions will give selectors more anguish.
Agree with your 22 but Phillips in for Wells. Wells is done as a 1st choice senior player - not what he was, and can't run out games due to body/age
No disagreement that if he is fit he will likely play. Fitness is the problematic element in the equation.Wasn't my 22, it was the OP's, but either way I don't agree on the Wells view many put forward. He's still easily among the most skilled players on our list and if he's fit he'll likely play. I'd imagine at HF more often than not so not really where Phillips is likely to usurp him.
No disagreement that if he is fit he will likely play. Fitness is the problematic element in the equation.
The last thing I want is for him to break down! He has only just started running hasn't he?Should have just about a full pre-season so I expect him to be fit. Just don't know why so many want him to break down.
That’s the part I’ve never quite understood.Should have just about a full pre-season so I expect him to be fit. Just don't know why so many want him to break down.
The last thing I want is for him to break down! He has only just started running hasn't he?
You are probably right about many posters anticipating that injury is going to disrupt or derail his season. This is different from actively hoping that he will break down just so you can say 'I told you so!' I must confess I am probably among the posters who seriously doubt he will string more than a few games together, but that doesn't stop me hoping otherwise.Wasn't necessarily suggesting you, but there seems to be an overwhelming dismissal of him due to injury rather than any hope for the best possible outcome.
Been running since at least the return of the 1st - 4th year players.
I think there is quite a bit of ugly dismissal of him; or simply it comes across like people waiting with glee for him to be injured etc.You are probably right about many posters anticipating that injury is going to disrupt or derail his season. This is different from actively hoping that he will break down just so you can say 'I told you so!' I must confess I am probably among the posters who seriously doubt he will string more than a few games together, but that doesn't stop me hoping otherwise.
The problem is that he has been riddled with injury since we picked him up and has never looked likely to impact a season. He will be 34 next year so hardly has time on his side. The posters to whom you are referring are surely those who spread rumours about alleged drinking and food binges. I would imagine that any genuine supporter would be hoping for the best for him.I think there is quite a bit of ugly dismissal of him; or simply it comes across like people waiting with glee for him to be injured etc.
Human nature can be a bit ugly sometimes.
Love your thinking there.The problem is that he has been riddled with injury since we picked him up and has never looked likely to impact a season. He will be 34 next year so hardly has time on his side. The posters to whom you are referring are surely those who spread rumours about alleged drinking and food binges. I would imagine that any genuine supporter would be hoping for the best for him.
Yes it is. By mid season he will lament in the seconds, A hand full of players will be way ahead of him
His lack of pace and inability to kick with his right will be exposed as the young & the old start to gain form.
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His lack of pace? He's not Stephenson quick over 200m, but come the last 5 mins of each quarter and through 4Q he's still running on top of the ground when others are not, meaning his relative lack of speed is negated/overcome.
I would still have him in a best 22. There is still half a chance he will be available at the beginning of the season.Love your thinking there.
Go Pies
The whole topic has wells and truly been disgust, now it’s Xmas.I would still have him in a best 22. There is still half a chance he will be available at the beginning of the season.
Quite a play on words SV. I imagine you're a real 'Ho, ho, ho' type on xmas day!The whole topic has wells and truly been disgust, now it’s Xmas.
All is wells and good.
Merry Collingwood
Can’t say I’m tiger woodsQuite a play on words SV. I imagine you're a real 'Ho, ho, ho' type on xmas day!
Had to google that one!Can’t say I’m tiger woods
But I’m jolly