Society/Culture Protesters to Foot the Bill in Universities

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In a major blow to micro fringe activist groups, the Federal Minister for education is pressing for a plan of protest bills to be paid by those causing disruption.
Time and again we are seeing speakers invited to Universities shut down by small group of unhinged protesters on campuses, creating noise and disruption, believing that by simply holding a different political view, they have a right to silence opposition.

The next step would be to move this system to the broader publish sphere. Sure, have your right to protest, but that doesn't give a right to use violence or intentionally disrupt an event merely because you hold a differing view.


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...e-speech-at-universities-20180921-p5057h.html

"Students and activists who protest at campus events would have to pay for their own security under a plan being pressed upon Australia's major universities by federal Education Minister Dan Tehan.

Mr Tehan put the idea to Group of Eight vice-chancellors on Thursday night as they met to discuss a string of incidents that the Morrison government believe show free speech under threat.

That included a speech by controversial author Bettina Arndt to the Sydney University Liberal Club, which was charged for security. The event was targeted by left-wing students opposed to Arndt's view that there is no such thing as a "rape crisis" on Australian university campuses.

...He has previously suggested universities could bolster their commitments to academic freedom and freedom of speech through a charter modelled on the one adopted by the University of Chicago and other US colleges.

Among other things, the charter declares: "Although faculty, students and staff are free to criticise, contest and condemn the views expressed on campus, they may not obstruct, disrupt, or otherwise interfere with the freedom of others to express views they reject or even loathe."
 
Good to see the Morrison government tackling the big issues.
A bit like you having a rant and not addressing the Post or anything related to the topic!

Someone has to pay for the damage caused by the protesters who show up with nothing else in mind but attempt to shut down the speech as it opposes their point of view!


We have seen this bills handed out to management & promotion companies for Laura southern and Milo when they were out this year!

People have a right to protest, but should not have to foot the bill for it!
But at the same time nobody has the right to resort to violence or damage property or effect business to have their voices heard! If people feel free to do so of course they should pay the bill for it
 

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I agree with that too but this looks like an attempt to stop people protesting at events where political provocateurs are invited speak.
Yes and I'm sure it's a reactionary political decision from the conservative side of the house to garner support from a demographic that has felt Turnbull didn't represent them.

Having said that, it's an idea worth discussing and not immediate dismissal IMO.

Political protest is fine - as just about everyone agrees (including in this thread). But the line where a protest becomes unethical is very blurry. Should protestors be responsible for the costs associated with disrupting and otherwise completely legal event? Maybe.
 
The whole discussion is based around the idea that free speech in this country is under threat which is just laughable.
Sure is!
An Islamic leader preaching hate at a mosk isn’t yet a men’s rights march is!
Sure is laughable
 
Media consolidation and threats to the ABC are the main threats to free speech. Not a few uni trots.

And no idea how this would be enforced.

No cops? Ok, but watch how fast they come back once a few roid freaks from the UPF roll up or a Phil Galea follows through on his cookbook readings.
Virtue signalling to the conservative base that they still think will win them an election. Keep it up Dan, all you're doing is reminding people why they won't vote for this rabble.
 

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Virtue signalling to the conservative base that they still think will win them an election. Keep it up Dan, all you're doing is reminding people why they won't vote for this rabble.
Still can’t see the point but just blame the right!

Again a men’s rights march is aparently classed as a hate speech anyone who attended is a racist, sexist nazi, yet an Islamic preacher down at the local Mosks can rant and rave about death to the western society!

The problem lies with the protesters thinking they have a right to shut down anything they don’t like but any means through violence and destruction of property!
Get over this blame the right for everything mentally
 
I agree with that too but this looks like an attempt to stop people protesting at events where political provocateurs are invited speak.

'political provocateur' is entirely subjective. Some might class you as such.

The cost of policing violent protests against peaceful events should certainly not be charged to event organisers - as the Daniel Andrews government has been doing.
 
The measure isnt about stopping protests.
It is about stopping disruptive protests. Protests that seek to shut down opposing viewpoints and debate.
This is what we are seeing now with left wing groups who want to shut down any opposing view through any means

Free speech is being affected in Australia, especially in Universities.
 
If it's possible to identify individuals or groups that organised the protest then the measure could be feasible.
So, protest gets organized. People show up. Who controls what individuals do?

If you’re unscrupulous you send people along with the protesters to cause trouble. Organisers get charged for police costs. No more protests.
 
So, protest gets organized. People show up. Who controls what individuals do?

If you’re unscrupulous you send people along with the protesters to cause trouble. Organisers get charged for police costs. No more protests.

It seems the intent of any protest , where the protest is held at an event the protesters oppose, has become about shutting down the event. Having the event or speaker cancelled. Creating disturbance and disruption to take away enjoyment for people attending. To threaten violence and disruption to try and keep people from attending.

Is that protest or is that an attempt to control the thoughts and viewpoints of others bY shutting down debate through violence, coercion and bullying?
 
It seems the intent of any protest , where the protest is held at an event the protesters oppose, has become about shutting down the event. Having the event or speaker cancelled. Creating disturbance and disruption to take away enjoyment for people attending. To threaten violence and disruption to try and keep people from attending.

Is that protest or is that an attempt to control the thoughts and viewpoints of others bY shutting down debate through violence, coercion and bullying?
Do you think the protesters feel the only way to be heard is to show up to these things?

If you’re a student at a university and you don’t think the organization should support obviously abhorrent people, then your voice and your actions are the only power you have.

What frightens you about people having an opposing voice? That’s what being an active citizen is about.

If there is violence that is what the police are there for. If there are people inciting that violence, that is a crime and again, that’s the job of the police.
 
So, protest gets organized. People show up. Who controls what individuals do?

If you’re unscrupulous you send people along with the protesters to cause trouble. Organisers get charged for police costs. No more protests.

The CFMEU regularly get fined for their protests. It would need to be proven that the trouble causers were part of the group that organised the protest.

But the way it currently works in Victoria is that the more the protesters cause trouble the more event organisers get charged for police costs. It's a deterrent for organisers of peaceful events.
 

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