Protests

[Power Raid]

Problem is you can see an Extinction Rebellion group being denied quite easily by a government so they will have to go to these methods anyway.

I guess people who can’t express themselves or be a positive influence in change will be destructive.

But should we give in to temper tantrums or like negotiating with two year olds, help them develop skills to participate positively?

Setting boundaries is always a good start.

 

[Juddism]

Imagine if all the posters on here dismissing the Melbourne protesters with easy stereotypes bothered to support their opinions with some actual evidence.

imagine if all the protestors in Baghdad or Santiago were flown here and allowed to protest...that'd be a real protest that the govt couldn't ignore, here, we don't give a s**t, you get a few hundred people and it's like the end of the world, this pissant little nation and it's acolyte citizens have no idea how to stand up and be counted, except on election day, and they manage to * that up too.

 

[Zombie Squad]

Can someone please explain the difference between police behaviour in Hong Kong and police behaviour at the mining protest in Melbourne yesterday?

I note that Dutton and Co. hate the Chinese police, but they love our police

Would of sent the police in with rubber bullets, and a directive to carry out European style baton charges to clear the area around the building, if it was me calling the shots.

What we are seeing isnt simply about climate change, but rather the start of a worldwide uprising from the radical, Marxist left, and it’s in all our best interests, both globally and locally, that all such protests be put down quickly and forcefully.

Our Australian police could learn a lot from there counterparts in Italy IMO.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

imagine if all the protestors in Baghdad or Santiago were flown here and allowed to protest...that'd be a real protest that the govt couldn't ignore, here, we don't give a s**t, you get a few hundred people and it's like the end of the world, this pissant little nation and it's acolyte citizens have no idea how to stand up and be counted, except on election day, and they manage to fu** that up too.

Yeah, but we're larrikin Anzacs, remember?

 

[Gough]

When Scott Morrison says quiet Australians he means the one's who agree with him. His response to protesters gives you some idea what he wants done with those who don't.

 

[Zombie Squad]

When Scott Morrison says quiet Australians he means the one's who agree with him. His response to protesters gives you some idea what he wants done with those who don't.

Do you think most Australians support a more hardline approach being taken by police against future XR/Blockade IMARC type protests?

 

[Gough]

I can't speak for most Australians but I do. I agree that this planet is falling apart and seeing as we are global leaders in per capita emissions (remember that the refugees we take per capita is an oft bandied about figure to cite our benevolence) we should be doing far more to reduce them and while our government is doing nothing this needs to be loudly and repeatedly pointed out. Anger should be directed towards politicians for their inaction not the people who are pointing it out.

 

[Zombie Squad]

I can't speak for most Australians but I do. I agree that this planet is falling apart and seeing as we are global leaders in per capita emissions (remember that the refugees we take per capita is an oft bandied about figure to cite our benevolence) we should be doing far more to reduce them and while our government is doing nothing this needs to be loudly and repeatedly pointed out. Anger should be directed towards politicians for their inaction not the people who are pointing it out.

Fair enough.

Personally I think your average Australian (and Brit) is 100% supportive of tackling climate change, but I’m afraid they have also had an absolute gutful of seeing these hard left, Marxist, agitators, inconveniencing and disrupting there lives, spitting at them, abusing them....and now quite frankly wouldn’t be fussed at seeing police go in and doing whatever is required to put a hurting on these people, in such a way that they permanently retreat back to whatever filthy student share house they currently doss in.

Rubber bullets are a good starting point.

 

[QuietB]

Fair enough.

Personally I think your average Australian (and Brit) is 100% supportive of tackling climate change, but I’m afraid they have also had an absolute gutful of seeing these hard left, Marxist, agitators, inconveniencing and disrupting there lives, spitting at them, abusing them....and now quite frankly wouldn’t be fussed at seeing police go in and doing whatever is required to put a hurting on these people, in such a way that they permanently retreat back to whatever filthy student share house they currently doss in.

Rubber bullets are a good starting point.

You are a dill

 

[Kram]

I can't speak for most Australians but I do. I agree that this planet is falling apart and seeing as we are global leaders in per capita emissions (remember that the refugees we take per capita is an oft bandied about figure to cite our benevolence) we should be doing far more to reduce them and while our government is doing nothing this needs to be loudly and repeatedly pointed out. Anger should be directed towards politicians for their inaction not the people who are pointing it out.

How is stopping someone from Kidman Resources a lithium producer from going about their daily business at a conference helping the planet?

 

[Craven Morehead]

How is stopping someone from Kidman Resources a lithium producer from going about their daily business at a conference helping the planet?

Get with the program.

The way you truly save the planet is by wishing for the deaths of people in bushfires and actively condoning the bullying of children because their daddy isn't a Socialist fruit loop.

oh, and being a Bigfooty Mod who has carte blanche permission to actively post about the above without the slightest repercussion.

 

[QuietB]

How is stopping someone from Kidman Resources a lithium producer from going about their daily business at a conference helping the planet?

Every time we can stop an auto door opening = more carbon credits

More seriously you cannot stop a conference any more than you can stop a protest. Protesters should not use violence.

The point still remains though - Hong Kong protesters shut down Hong Kong International Airport and were lauded for it by senior LNP ministers.

The level of hypocricasy this government is capable of just to get out of actually doing its job is astonishing.

 

[Kram]

Believe it or not there is a middle ground

So you basically have nothing to address my painfully obvious point to anyone with a functioning brain?

 

[Chief]

Incredible push to introduce laws against boycotts!

It seems free speech is paramount. Everyone has the right to be a bigot! Just don’t you dare do anything to stop the flow of marketable goods and services.

JeanLucGoddard didn’t Ms Atwood have something to say about this type of thing?

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has sparked a furore over free speech by vowing to draft new laws to ban protesters from boycotting companies, prompting claims his "feverish" talk would curb the rights of all Australians.

- Civil liberties groups warned of the "wanton infringement" of individual rights under the plan to stop environmental groups targeting companies that support controversial projects such as the Adani coal mine in Queensland.

- NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Nicholas Cowdery said Mr Morrison's plan was "totally contrary" to the right to freedom of expression and that existing laws could deal with unruly conduct or assault.

"Large issues such as climate change and protection of the environment encourage strong responses by citizens whose broader rights are affected," Mr Cowdery said. "Protest action may well increase if effective measures are not taken by commercial interests to address those issues. Citizens should not be criminalised for taking such action.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...parks-free-speech-furore-20191101-p536o1.html (paywall with limited free articles)

- "We need to progress cautiously, but if it's not OK to have secondary boycotts being run by unions - and we got rid of those a long time ago - then it's not OK for environmental - not environmental, these are anarchist groups, and that's what they are - to be able to disrupt people's jobs and their livelihoods and to harass in the way that we've seen down in Melbourne, it's ugly and I don't think it's good for our country," Mr Morrison told radio station 3AW on Friday.

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So this slippery slope logical fallacy might not be a fallacy in all cases.

 

[Emptyorangeseat]

How do you think the Hong Kong kids protesting are being portrayed in China? I'd hazard a guess that it would be in a fairly similair manner to the one that you are describing the Melbourne protesters.

Really? If that’s your take on it! The issue is well and truly beyond your capabilities!
The ones in Melbourne are not fighting for their life. They are a bunch of privileged spoilt board brats who most are still on the dole and enrolled in uni

 

[Bradesmaen]

Really? If that’s your take on it! The issue is well and truly beyond your capabilities!
The ones in Melbourne are not fighting for their life. They are a bunch of privileged spoilt board brats who most are still on the dole and enrolled in uni

Hong Kong ones are fighting for their life? So theyre going to be killed if they don't protest?

Amazing hypocrisy. Are you Angus Taylor?

 

[Chief]

Really? If that’s your take on it! The issue is well and truly beyond your capabilities!
The ones in Melbourne are not fighting for their life. They are a bunch of privileged spoilt board brats who most are still on the dole and enrolled in uni

You can’t be on unemployment benefits AND enrolled in uni, for a start.

And are they privileged and spoilt or surviving on government benefits?

 

[QuietB]

So you basically have nothing to address my painfully obvious point to anyone with a functioning brain?

What obvious point?

 

[The Warlord]

Incredible push to introduce laws against boycotts!

It seems free speech is paramount. Everyone has the right to be a bigot! Just don’t you dare do anything to stop the flow of marketable goods and services.

JeanLucGoddard didn’t Ms Atwood have something to say about this type of thing?

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has sparked a furore over free speech by vowing to draft new laws to ban protesters from boycotting companies, prompting claims his "feverish" talk would curb the rights of all Australians.

- Civil liberties groups warned of the "wanton infringement" of individual rights under the plan to stop environmental groups targeting companies that support controversial projects such as the Adani coal mine in Queensland.

- NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Nicholas Cowdery said Mr Morrison's plan was "totally contrary" to the right to freedom of expression and that existing laws could deal with unruly conduct or assault.

"Large issues such as climate change and protection of the environment encourage strong responses by citizens whose broader rights are affected," Mr Cowdery said. "Protest action may well increase if effective measures are not taken by commercial interests to address those issues. Citizens should not be criminalised for taking such action.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...parks-free-speech-furore-20191101-p536o1.html (paywall with limited free articles)

- "We need to progress cautiously, but if it's not OK to have secondary boycotts being run by unions - and we got rid of those a long time ago - then it's not OK for environmental - not environmental, these are anarchist groups, and that's what they are - to be able to disrupt people's jobs and their livelihoods and to harass in the way that we've seen down in Melbourne, it's ugly and I don't think it's good for our country," Mr Morrison told radio station 3AW on Friday.

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So this slippery slope logical fallacy might not be a fallacy in all cases.

The CorpSeCorp are not far off.

Its what the coppers outside the mining conference looked like.

 

[Kram]

Every time we can stop an auto door opening = more carbon credits

More seriously you cannot stop a conference any more than you can stop a protest. Protesters should not use violence.

The point still remains though - Hong Kong protesters shut down Hong Kong International Airport and were lauded for it by senior LNP ministers.

The level of hypocricasy this government is capable of just to get out of actually doing its job is astonishing.

Again you have absolutely nothing in reply. Answer the question, why hassle someone from Kidman Resources? Do you even know anything about them?

What obvious point?

About mining these minerals we are going to need desperately more of in the future moving to renewable energy. How are we supposed to get them? What is this 'middle ground'? Or are you just going to carry on making a fool of yourself?

 

[Chief]

Again you have absolutely nothing in reply. Answer the question, why hassle someone from Kidman Resources? Do you even know anything about them?

About mining these minerals we are going to need desperately more of in the future moving to renewable energy. How are we supposed to get them? What is this 'middle ground'? Or are you just going to carry on making a fool of yourself?

Did the Kidman Resources people call ahead and wear special hi-vis so they could be allowed through?

How many were there and what proportion of the attendees were KR people?

 

[QuietB]

Again you have absolutely nothing in reply. Answer the question, why hassle someone from Kidman Resources? Do you even know anything about them?

About mining these minerals we are going to need desperately more of in the future moving to renewable energy. How are we supposed to get them? What is this 'middle ground'? Or are you just going to carry on making a fool of yourself?

Absolutely we need mining.

Middle ground is an acknowledgement that;

1/ there are some ******* protesters who want too much and protest inappropriately.

That is not a reason to ban protesting.

2/ there are issues with the environment that have to be addressed and mining play some part in that, particularly coal mining which for whatever reason is allowed unbounded expansion and government support.

That is not a reason to ban mining.

It is a fact that we have a government that cannot even address let alone resolve complex issues. Their only skill is to frame every single argument as unimpeded economic progress v’s Marxist lefty unemployed greenies.

This government represents the middle ground no more than ANTIFA does.

 

[Kram]

Did the Kidman Resources people call ahead and wear special hi-vis so they could be allowed through?

How many were there and what proportion of the attendees were KR people?

Here's a list of all the companies there. Point out all the evil ones and what they are doing wrong in their daily operations. And why they deserve to have their business at a conference blocked along with being abused and even spat on.

https://imarcmelbourne.com/mining/

lol some of them aren't even miners, just explorers poking around in the dirt.

 

[Kram]

Absolutely we need mining.

Middle ground is an acknowledgement that;

1/ there are some ******* protesters who want too much and protest inappropriately.

That is not a reason to ban protesting.

2/ there are issues with the environment that have to be addressed and mining play some part in that, particularly coal mining which for whatever reason is allowed unbounded expansion and government support.

That is not a reason to ban mining.

It is a fact that we have a government that cannot even address let alone resolve complex issues. Their only skill is to frame every single argument as unimpeded economic progress v’s Marxist lefty unemployed greenies.

This government represents the middle ground no more than ANTIFA does.

Sure then go and target a big and very dodgy organisation like BHP or something individually. If you don't like the government go outside parliament house.

I'm perfectly ok with protesting whatever you want but do it without blocking or attacking anyone.

 

[pazza]

The reason why we see the protests we are in this country is that every other option open to the average citizen is basically treated with disdain by the rich and powerful.

Letters to local members/ministers/Prime Minister don't generally work as they often end up in the circular file.

Petitions are even less effective, as the Government currently only takes note of Petitions supporting their position.

The average citizen genuinely cannot afford to donate money to political parties. so that line of influence is non-existent for most people.

Doesn't leave a lot of options to present a dissenting view does it?