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mantis said:
OH dear Swiftly my friend, less than 30% isn't most, the other 70+% disagree with you, they just have different views on who we should draft. ;)

Also, I guarantee a lot of weagles supporters have voted in the poll, it should have been a public poll for accuracy, really all polls on club boards should be, to stop opposition supporters wrecking the polls.
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um. what?

it is most, because most people vote cousins, maybe not 50 percent, but it is the highest percentage
 
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theres really no hope of deterring this thread (or even a good part of this board) from the Cousins issue, is there?
 
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AndyLesPaul said:
um. what?

it is most, because most people vote cousins, maybe not 50 percent, but it is the highest percentage
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Clutching at straws kiddo, not even 30% & as I said, there would be weagle supporters in that number.
 
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Ben the Gooner said:
I understand it's a reality, and it'll be why we won't sign him. However, it's a bit strange. As I said before, I'm not not going to use a sponsor of West Coast because of the drug issue, or a sponsor of Carlton because they're *****. If anything, it'll get the sponsor's name in more places. If Ben Cousins signed for Essendon, then played his first game, what would be the front page of the Sun and the Age? It'd be Ben Cousins and the big Samsung logo on his chest. Bam, hundreds of thousands of people see the Samsung name in a flash.

I'm not going to subconciously attach drugs to Samsung because of Ben Cousins wearing their logo.

But, it's a fact, and that's why Ben won't play again, unless there's a real turn around.
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I agree with your thought process Ben. Personally i have never let issues like not buying a certain porduct becasue they sponsor x team or y player bother me at all.
Trouble is that is not how the world of sponsorship works. Lets face it Hungry Jacks told the Eagles that either Cousins goes or their money goes so the problem is real despite how we think on the issue.
 

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Skipworth obviously is an exceptional mentor to the kids.. Its been established over and over, but I am not sure how much value he will add to our list if we are drafting a "mature" aged player.. I will no doubt have the follow up shots when I say this, but if the mature aged player is the direction that Knights and the Essendon football department has chosen to take, which I dont think is a bad idea, then Cousins is the only fit.. If he is not appropriate, then a younger player is the way to go. I noticed someone mentioned that we dont have a great record when it comes to player behaviour, and obviously this is a major concern when it comes to Cousins, but on the contrary. I think the Essendon FC has always handled delicate player behaviour issue with professionalism, some other clubs have much bigger issues when dealing with such matters, hello Collingwood. The Essendon culture can handle Cousins, its just a matter of whether the club would be willing to take the risk, if he messes up, then we are a player short on the list. But in reality, with Skipworth, the same issue exists, we could be drafting him to keep him on the Bendigo list to look after the "kids".. Just my opinion though.. Everyone feels differently.
 
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yodellinhank said:
I always chuck non-recylclables in with the recyclables at work. Dick Pratt can get stuffed.
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:D:thumbsu:

ant555 said:
I agree with your thought process Ben. Personally i have never let issues like not buying a certain porduct becasue they sponsor x team or y player bother me at all.
Trouble is that is not how the world of sponsorship works. Lets face it Hungry Jacks told the Eagles that either Cousins goes or their money goes so the problem is real despite how we think on the issue.
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It's a problem with society, not just AFL, that the corporate dollar over-rides everything, including a potentially (don't jump on my back, mantis) beneficial on-field move. If Cousins won us, St Kilda, whoever, a premiership, would the sponsors complain about their brand name being on the front page of every paper in Australia?:rolleyes:
 
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Ben the Gooner said:
It's a problem with society, not just AFL, that the corporate dollar over-rides everything, including a potentially (don't jump on my back, mantis) beneficial on-field move. If Cousins won us, St Kilda, whoever, a premiership, would the sponsors complain about their brand name being on the front page of every paper in Australia?:rolleyes:
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Welcome to the real world Ben where the $ drives the majority of things in life.

The board need to weigh up the risk/reward scenario.

Reward - Cousins doesn't have many injury problems that a 31 year old out of the game for almost 2 years would be expected to have and plays well and is around long enough for us to have a genuine shot at a premiership.
He also sets a great example off field and helps a couple of the midfielders in their development.

Risk - Cousins tests positive, we lose the biggest sponsership deal in AFL history at a time of a major Worldwide economic slowdown and on the back of a heavily reduced profit for season 2008.
On the back of us committing to major expenditure in staff and ground improvements.
Not too mention other sponsers, possible AFL repercussions and a perception throughout the business world of us being very naive and possibly not the well run club we have been perceived to have been.

These are the sort of things that boards have to weigh up and i'm sure there are many more from both sides.
 
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I'm not doubting that those were major considerations in the board's decision, I'm merely questioning the logic behind the sponsors' unwillingness to have a big name player because of a possibility (which I can't see) that he will taint their image.

It's a sad reality that a football club can't recruit a player who could well help their list because of the corporate dollar, but it's a reality nonetheless.
 
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AndyLesPaul said:
Then seeing as you arent a druggo then you must be good enough to play for essendon, because druggos arent? He's not going to even be their anyway.


Its what we're all thinking :p
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I'd rather have someone who is 100% clean rather than a druggo thanks.
 
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Imagine him in the red and black!!!!! AND COUSINS HITS LLOYD ON THE CHEST!!:p
 
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Ben wont be playing again in 2009..everyone will pass him over..and as much as I celebrate his skills as a player ( he is the best the game has seen) ,I have realised he is not yet over his problems..its obvious.

A player of his calibre would have been snapped up had he been physically and most importantly mentally in the right place.

His name is NOT druggo..its Ben Cousins.:(
 
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snorkels said:
Ben wont be playing again in 2009..everyone will pass him over..and as much as I celebrate his skills as a player ( he is the best the game has seen) ,I have realised he is not yet over his problems..its obvious.

A player of his calibre would have been snapped up had he been physically and most importantly mentally in the right place.

His name is NOT druggo..its Ben Cousins.:(
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His fault that he turned to drugs. Sorry iI have ZERO sympathy for guys that turn to drugs to escape the "pressue", it is a dead set cop out excuse, and he is still a drug addict.
 

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snorkels said:
Ben wont be playing again in 2009..everyone will pass him over..and as much as I celebrate his skills as a player ( he is the best the game has seen) ,I have realised he is not yet over his problems..its obvious.

A player of his calibre would have been snapped up had he been physically and most importantly mentally in the right place.

His name is NOT druggo..its Ben Cousins.:(
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Good post mate, it seems when someone has an addiction they are automatically tossed into the society scrapheap.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that do not understand addiction and why it happens. A little more respect is needed in society, it would make such a difference.
 
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bombersno1 said:
His fault that he turned to drugs. Sorry iI have ZERO sympathy for guys that turn to drugs to escape the "pressue", it is a dead set cop out excuse, and he is still a drug addict.
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Sorry, your a narrow minded IDIOT...

If it happened to someone close to you, then you wouldn't be writing such crap. Grow up learn all the facts then and only then make comments. Right now you have proved to be a very narrow minded and immature little person.
 
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Nope all I have proved is that drugs are a cancer on society and the less people on drugs the better. I don't want anyone in the EFC associated with drugs. There is no need for them.
 
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bombersno1 said:
I'd rather have someone who is 100% clean rather than a druggo thanks.
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So you implying you wanna play?
go ahead.

If you think properly, then you'll figure that Ben Cousins was on drugs whilst he was good
so if he still is a druggo then he'd be good?
 

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bombersno1 said:
Nope all I have proved is that drugs are a cancer on society and the less people on drugs the better. I don't want anyone in the EFC associated with drugs. There is no need for them.
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You act as if all drugs are bad for you. And that people who take drugs cannot change one bit. NEWSFLASH idiot, there are VERY few drugs that harm you. And the fact is 90-95% of drugs are actually good for you. People change you know, and you think they can't change. You are one of the most oblivious person I have ever seen
 
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bombersno1 said:
His fault that he turned to drugs. Sorry iI have ZERO sympathy for guys that turn to drugs to escape the "pressue", it is a dead set cop out excuse, and he is still a drug addict.
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bombersno1 said:
Nope all I have proved is that drugs are a cancer on society and the less people on drugs the better. I don't want anyone in the EFC associated with drugs. There is no need for them.
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should elaborate on the ("pressue") pressure you are referring to. In Western Australia, the only celebrities they have are their AFL footballers, and that are constantly in the media. Ben Cousins being at the top, would probably have been followed everywhere he went.

The pressure he was under would have been huge, and unfortunately he turned to drugs.

Now, if you're going to speak like that of people that take drugs, you aren't going to be like by the community and I think next time, you should think about what you type. You don’t want people on drugs, yet you don't want to help them get over their addiction, hence have people taking drugs and not stopping them? = your comment is an epic fail. If you haven't noticed, it seems that Ben wants to get over his addiction and you don’t think he deserves the chance to?

Honesty, from a rehabilitation point of view, Cousins need an AFL club that isn’t always scrutinized by the media is an ideal place for him. I would have liked him to come to Essendon, but unfortunately the drug issue put me off and the club, due to the fact that a rehabilitating addict would be the best image for our young kids. A side with older more experienced players would benefit him much more. Matured Players are roles models, and frankly, Cousins isn't a role model, and because Essendon don't have as many experienced players as other clubs I believe here isn't the place, but somewhere like Richmond might be.

I don’t deny that he is a drug addict, and once a drug addict, always a drug addict, but why not give him the chance to move on.

As for Essendon in the PSD, I wouldn't mind either an experienced player such as Skipworth, or a younger player that didn't get picked up in the draft. Adding Skipworth would give the team a matured aged player that can fill that gap between old and young, or adding a younger player could give us the chance of adding a future star.

I'll support the club with any decision they make.
 
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