Put your Nuts on the Line - Melbourne Supporters only

[melbournemartin]

Have always thought that he will stay.

 

[saj_21]

I believe he is staying, one key point to this is the fact that the CBA is still yet to be decided which when it is finally agreed upon there is more money to pay the players. Not only by playing out the year where his value as a player will rise but there is more money to be had. His last 4 weeks have been superb after a long lay off, regardless of offers from GWS his currency has increased signicantly from last year off the back of his 4 games this year.

 

[BETON5]

Have always thought that he will stay.

I have been indecisive whether Tom will stay or go now I think He will stay IF we finish the year off well.
Front load his contract so the wh can still afford our young guns when they are ready to sign....

Must finish the year off well to keep TS>

 

[Wise Guy Sam]

Staying - just a hunch

Winky face is well received...

 

[Viney]

So do i. But i cant remember the last time so much unanimous public opinion was wrong.

Pavlich was apparently signing with Gold Coast, as was Ricky, as was Watts - these obviously didn't eventuate.

This is a self perpetuating rumour, fuelled purely by media speculation

Every one knows someone who know's someone who know's what Scully is having for breakfast in 3 weeks time

No one knows anything for certain. Why are these "sources" never disclosed? Why do the rumours get more and more tinfoil hat brigade each time one comes out (Bastinac's parents signed for Tom, Tom's parents signed for Bastinac etc.)

The media have an vested interest in pushing the story, Sheedy has a vested interest in pushing the story

Contract negotiations are often put off til seasons end, the decision was made in July last year, they haven't waivered, it's their position

In my opinion he'll stay, based on nothing other than gut feel and hope.

But we'll know later in the season

 

[Crimson Azure]

I understand the principle behind front loading a contract but let’s say Tom signed his next contract with us with us for 4 years and we paid him like this:

1st year: 400k
2nd year: 450k
3rd year: 500k
4th year: 550k

So the next 2 years he is overpaid for a 3rd & 4th year player but in his 5th & 6th year he is paid market value. Does front loading mean we pay under market value in year 3 & 4 of the contract because that’s where we create value in front loading? In general it does but not so for Tom.

Tom is different as we understand he is being offered huge money to go to GWS so front loading is really only a means of meeting what GWS as best we can.

 

[Viney]

I understand the principle behind front loading a contract but let’s say Tom signed his next contract with us with us for 4 years and we paid him like this:

1st year: 400k
2nd year: 450k
3rd year: 500k
4th year: 550k

So the next 2 years he is overpaid for a 3rd & 4th year player but in his 5th & 6th year he is paid market value. Does front loading mean we pay under market value in year 3 & 4 of the contract because that’s where we create value in front loading? In general it does but not so for Tom.

Tom is different as we understand he is being offered huge money to go to GWS so front loading is really only a means of meeting what GWS as best we can.

Would a player not look more at total contract value as opposed to price per year?

i.e

Year 1 $700k
Year 2 $700k
Year 3 $400k
Year 4 $350k

still = $2.15m over 4 years

 

[billyboutsis]

i am certain he is GAWN and think that when it is announced things are going to get extremely messy.

I will be over the moon if i am wrong though! (but i very much doubt it)

 

[Topkent]

at the end of the day its really dissapointing that is has been allowed to drag on as long as it has, i really wish he would have just put his cards on the table earlier be it melbourne or gws, its poor on his and his managements part that this has been allowed to become bigger than the melbourne footy club, jack watts is showing signs he could be the superstar we all thought, stefan has become one of the best second ruckmen in the comp, jordie mckenzie has become one of the most underrated players in the comp.. but there all insignificant to the scully circus... personally ive lost respect for him anyway, cuz my opinion is he could have done a hell of alot more earlier on to put this to bed ....

 

[Viney]

i am certain he is GAWN and think that when it is announced things are going to get extremely messy.

I will be over the moon if i am wrong though! (but i very much doubt it)

I'm not having a crack, just trying to see the other side of the fence

What makes you certain he's gone?

Just gut feel?

 

[lose]

at the end of the day its really dissapointing that is has been allowed to drag on as long as it has, i really wish he would have just put his cards on the table earlier be it melbourne or gws, its poor on his and his managements part that this has been allowed to become bigger than the melbourne footy club, jack watts is showing signs he could be the superstar we all thought, stefan has become one of the best second ruckmen in the comp, jordie mckenzie has become one of the most underrated players in the comp.. but there all insignificant to the scully circus... personally ive lost respect for him anyway, cuz my opinion is he could have done a hell of alot more earlier on to put this to bed ....

In my opinion he has done absolutely nothing wrong.. He's not the only person to sign at years end and with the CBA agreement it's well within his interest to wait untill it is sorted.. he's playing good footy and so are we so don't really see the problem..

 

[Logger]

He won't get carded, but it will be my sig if he is wrong... what a shit post.

If you put every crap thing jtr has said in your sig, it'll be huge.
Please! Think of the scrolling fingers!

 

[Viney]

In my opinion, Scully is a level above the Jack's, and I rate them very, very highly

In a few years time (probably not even that long) Scully is the bloke that will have the ability to drag the team over the line in a close game

He's a rare breed

 

[syl]

you blokes now nothing is Scully worth more than Trengove and Watts, i want an answer big mouth?

I think you are asking is Scully worth more than Trengove or Watts? Can't be positive.

To answer the question, I think they're all equal. There's no doubt that I personally prefer Trenners, he is an amazing clubman, will be with us forever. But I am not writing off Scully over heresay from muppets like Eddie and Hutchy.

He said he will wait until the end of the year, and I believe him, he is a very straight shooter.

 

[jack the ripper]

In my opinion, Scully is a level above the Jack's, and I rate them very, very highly

In a few years time (probably not even that long) Scully is the bloke that will have the ability to drag the team over the line in a close game

He's a rare breed

if he signs for the rumored 700,000 a season nxt year with us do you think Sylvia will demand the same?

 

[Viney]

if he signs for the rumored 700,000 a season nxt year with us do you think Sylvia will demand the same?

The truth is Sylvia wont know what he's getting paid, no one will, it'll just be more rumour and speculation as we're seeing now

 

[Topkent]

In my opinion he has done absolutely nothing wrong.. He's not the only person to sign at years end and with the CBA agreement it's well within his interest to wait untill it is sorted.. he's playing good footy and so are we so don't really see the problem..

of course its well within his interest, but the point being he has genuinely left the door open for a move to gws... i think everyones missing the point here, numerous people who have had contact with him eg garry lyon, shane crawford... have all said the same thing 'why do you assume its the money'

i dont think he is holding out for money.. because i dont think melbournes offer is gonna be much different at the end of the year anway, and if it was all about money.. he would already be heading off to gws anyway

theres something more to it, i just dont know wat

 

[Topkent]

The truth is Sylvia wont know what he's getting paid, no one will, it'll just be more rumour and speculation as we're seeing now

i think when tom starts arriving at games in his own private jet then sylvia might catch on

 

[billyboutsis]

I'm not having a crack, just trying to see the other side of the fence

What makes you certain he's gone?

Just gut feel?

was told months ago from a mate of mine who knows someone VERY high up in the afl that it was a done deal.

like i said i hope it is incorrect or that he is just trying to stir me but this guy has come through with other big news over the years.

ill be over the moon if he decides to stay but i have lost a bit of respect for the kid for his stance of not trying to sort this out now rather than later. i know he has always stated that contract talks will be on hold until the end of season but you would think if he was intending on staying he would sort it out now so that this media circus would stop.

i know he recently mentioned that all the stories etc do not faze him but the reality is that it is definetely a detriment to the club and not something we need in this stage of our rebuilding phase. The focus should be on where we are going as a team and not the Tom Scully saga.

i know there is are a couple of posters who are an acquaintence to Tom and state that his mind is only on football and that he hasnt signed anything with GWS but do you honestly believe that if he has indeed signed he would tell them that? Most definetely not!

 

[Viney]

i think when tom starts arriving at games in his own private jet then sylvia might catch on

Haha you might be right

If Sylvia averaged 26 possies a game in his 2nd season after missing a lot of preseason and the first 10 odd matches, he might be on $700k a year himself

 

[Viney]

was told months ago from a mate of mine who knows someone VERY high up in the afl that it was a done deal.

like i said i hope it is incorrect or that he is just trying to stir me but this guy has come through with other big news over the years.

ill be over the moon if he decides to stay but i have lost a bit of respect for the kid for his stance of not trying to sort this out now rather than later. i know he has always stated that contract talks will be on hold until the end of season but you would think if he was intending on staying he would sort it out now so that this media circus would stop.

i know he recently mentioned that all the stories etc do not faze him but the reality is that it is definetely a detriment to the club and not something we need in this stage of our rebuilding phase. The focus should be on where we are going as a team and not the Tom Scully saga.

i know there is are a couple of posters who are an acquaintence to Tom and state that his mind is only on football and that he hasnt signed anything with GWS but do you honestly believe that if he has indeed signed he would tell them that? Most definetely not!

Lost respect for Tom, or his management?

He's a 19 year old kid, being guided through his 1st contract negotiation by his management

He's just doing what he's been advised is in his best interest to do, you can't blame him for that.

On your point of your mate though - it cannot be a done deal, whether he's signed an in principal agreement or not

Look at the Callan Ward situation, even an approach formally is potentially going to cause GWS an issue

 

[jack the ripper]

Haha you might be right

If Sylvia averaged 26 possies a game in his 2nd season after missing a lot of preseason and the first 10 odd matches, he might be on $700k a year himself

What about chip, is he worth double of him?

 

[jack the ripper]

all you guys that go to bed every night and prey that tom stays forget the most important thing, your probably going to lose 2 good players in the process.

 

[mrpez]

I think he is gone.

He'll turn into a top-rate player, but I don't think one player will make a difference in whether we become a premiership side or not.

 

[billyboutsis]

Lost respect for Tom, or his management?

He's a 19 year old kid, being guided through his 1st contract negotiation by his management

He's just doing what he's been advised is in his best interest to do, you can't blame him for that.

On your point of your mate though - it cannot be a done deal, whether he's signed an in principal agreement or not

Look at the Callan Ward situation, even an approach formally is potentially going to cause GWS an issue

Velocity Sport also manage Jordan Gysberts and were quick to get him signed up so it cant all be his management company's fault. "IF" he has signed a HOA with GWS he is just as responsible.

The most dissapointing thing if he has signed a HOA would be the conversation he had with Stynes where he told him he hadnt signed anything. The guy has been through enough sh1t already to be taken for a ride so i hope he is telling the truth.